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[RiptideX1090]

mrsph wrote...

You don't think the Garrus fandom is crazy?

Boy, you ain't been lookin' hard enough.

Oh, they're ****ing crazy.

But they're so damn cool about it. Everyone loves the Garrus fans.

[Kikaimegami]

[Kira Shepard]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...

um no. No. Just...no.
This one had male shep messing with tali after she teases him about them having to wait for her immunoboosters to kick in. One thing leads to another and...well you see where I'm going with this. I was amazing.

Oh.. well.... let's just forget I said anything...

done. and if I didn't think I'd get banned I'd like you all to it. somehow the mentle image of tali writhing about on the bed...

[kraidy1117]

mrsph wrote...

I romanced Kaidan for the hair.

Kaidan has the best hair in the galaxy.

NO!!!!!

[NuclearBuddha]

kraidy1117 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
or my fav for Liara.
"People like Liara for the lesbo action!"

Kraidy...  I have some bad news for you.

I did't romance her for the lesbo action.....

Neither did I, but you've got to admit that it's femShep central over there.

[RiptideX1090]

kraidy1117 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
or my fav for Liara.
"People like Liara for the lesbo action!"

Kraidy...  I have some bad news for you.

I did't romance her for the lesbo action.....

I did.

Lesbians are awesome.

[Kikaimegami]

kraidy1117 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

I romanced Kaidan for the hair.

Kaidan has the best hair in the galaxy.

NO!!!!!

DAT HAIRBUMP

[cannedcream]

mrsph wrote...

It will get annoying if all you are remembered for is that weird dinosaure alien that talked about calibrations.

Just saying =P

At least no one will be asking him what he talked about, Willis.

[Collider]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

You don't think the Garrus fandom is crazy?

Boy, you ain't been lookin' hard enough.

Oh, they're ****ing crazy.

But they're so damn cool about it.

I know! They're a lot of fun.

Everyone loves the Garrus fans.

The Tali thread does. I have seen Garrus fans getting a bad rap, though. They just cannot comprehend their magnificience, I suppose.

[RobotNixon]

kraidy1117 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

I romanced Kaidan for the hair.

Kaidan has the best hair in the galaxy.

NO!!!!!

Kraidy has always reminded me of Harkin for some reason...

And now I know why...

[NuclearBuddha]

Kikaimegami wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
I romanced Kaidan for the hair.

Kaidan has the best hair in the galaxy.

NO!!!!!

DAT HAIRBUMP

Isn't it called a pompadour?  How'd it stay so nice under the helmet?

[Megumeru]

MajesticJazz wrote...

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

SpaceBuscuit wrote...


I agree there were missed opportunities in ME2, but Tali's development was still signficant. She was a lot less childlike. In most situtatuions, she seemed very mature and assured, yet still had that vulnerability that made her accessible. Plus, her accent and mannerisms were even sexier than in ME1. And she did expand upon the Quarians to some extent. Her loyalty mission on the Migrant Fleet in introduced us to Quarian politics, and their differing opinios on Quarians and the Geth. I personally felt that ME2 left Tali a much more rounded and believable character, not to mention even more loveable.

I understand that she was "more mature" in ME2 just like Garrus was "more darker" in ME2 but in the core, they were essentially THE SAME characters. As for Tali's loyalty mission, well that isn't really anything unique as they could have used another Quarian for that mission. I mean again, in ME1 she was very usefull but it just irks me that Bioware had to go the "American Idol" route and use the "fan vote" to bring back certain squad members. Who to have as a party member should be left to the writers, not popular fan opinion. I wanted Wrex back in ME2 as a party member, but after playing ME2 and seeing Wrex's role, I'm glad they didn't.

If Tali was more mature, and Garrus was darker, what's wrong with that? Isn't that just character development? Perhaps they did those characters back because the fans took to them, but doesn't that just mean that they were well-designed characters to begin with? If you're intending to write a trilogy, then it makes sense to have some continuity between the chapters, and if you listen to your fans, why not bring back the characters that they formed the greatest affinity with. There's nothing "American Idol" about it. Garrus and Tali are popular precisely because they are well-written and relatable characters that people can form an attachment toward.

1. Garrus/Tali were darker in ME2, but that doesn't mean they had great character development. So what, Tali's voice was a bit deeper and she was more assure of herself. But when you look at the character development of Wrex and Liara and compare that to Tali, Tali trails bigtime. She talks about NOTHING NEW! Yes, she talks about trial procedures and all that Jazz, but after her loyalty mission and if you chose not to romance her (or if you're playing as a female) then Tali pretty much because dull just like Garrus.

2. No, Tali became popular because she is the mysterious female alien with the sexy voice and attractive body frame. You couldnt romance her in ME1 which made her even more appealing which eventually lead to the cries for Tali to be brought back as a romance option. If you want to talk about well-written characters, then you have to look at Wrex....but yet did Bioware bring him back as a squadmate?

...you speak of character development. Speak of 'change'. I'm sorry, but...

I don't find anything new in Liara. I read the ME comic, and I can see why she changed so much but that's about it. Its the Liara I figured to be after the rundown with Shadow Broker; although I have to admit, her change is waaaay dramatized and radical; its like a Fascist suddenly turn Communist-...

...not the best metaphor, but yeah.

I don't find anything new in Wrex. Despite being up as the leader of the Krogans, he's still 'Wrex'. Your friendly neighbourhood Biotic Krogan with the attitude of a badass. I like him, but considering the position he's in, I don't think he is eligible as a squadmate at the time. Also, your comment on Garrus and Tali would also fall on Miranda, Jacob, Thane, and Jack. All romancable character in ME2 stops giving interesting conversation after you say 'no'.

Wait until ME3, I'm praying Wrex is back with a horde of Krogan army.

Now on to the second point.

You, my friend, are making a generalized assumption that leads to your biased judgment. What makes Tali appealing to us is not her looks, her voice, or her figure. That's a plus, but that's not it. It is her character, her personality, and her selfless attitude. Sure, she became darker as an individual after what she has went through, but by the end of the game I see her brightening up back to her old self with Shepard around. In ME1, she gets to explain the codex of the Quarians; in ME2, you're IN IT. You experience yourself the trials of the Quarian people. This could go along the line of Garrus as well...

The theme in Garrus' and Tali's romance is 'unrequited love', or what I prefer to say in a simpler manner, 'sacrifices'. It asks a simple question: how far are you willing to go for someone you love? The fact that one side can die from interraction and how much both were willing to look for a way to make it work is an act of selflessness in both party. Romance-development wise, they have been around since ME1. You know them, you are Shepard, you know what makes them tick, what makes them rant, and what makes them cry. I say that development outclassed Liara's jump-straight-to-the-pants and Ashley anti-stress-sex.

also, before you start ranting about theme...let me suggest reannalyzing it. The theme of Mass Effect 1 is heroism.

The theme of Mass Effect 2 is loyalty.

[kraidy1117]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
or my fav for Liara.
"People like Liara for the lesbo action!"

Kraidy...  I have some bad news for you.

I did't romance her for the lesbo action.....

Neither did I, but you've got to admit that it's femShep central over there.

I guess it does't help my case that it was my femshep who romanced Liara

[MadCat221]

Collider wrote...
The Tali thread does. I have seen Garrus fans getting a bad rap, though. They just cannot comprehend their magnificience, I suppose.

Solidarity!  We both 'mance returning ME1 chars, and everyone else thinks we're weird.

[Collider]

mrsph wrote...

I romanced Kaidan for the hair.

Kaidan has the best hair in the galaxy.

It's possible that his hair itself has it's own galaxy.
That said, I like Kaidan. He has his own galaxy.

[Kikaimegami]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
I romanced Kaidan for the hair.

Kaidan has the best hair in the galaxy.

NO!!!!!

DAT HAIRBUMP

Isn't it called a pompadour?  How'd it stay so nice under the helmet?

Mass effect fields. The man's a biotic! Dude don't need hair gel.

[kraidy1117]

mrsph wrote...

many, many years from now this will be on Keener's gravestones.

Gone calibratin'

Is it sad that I just laughed?

[Collider]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
I romanced Kaidan for the hair.

Kaidan has the best hair in the galaxy.

NO!!!!!

DAT HAIRBUMP

Isn't it called a pompadour?  How'd it stay so nice under the helmet?

Biotics

[cannedcream]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I did.

Lesbians are awesome.

Saving that as a screencap.

[Lividity Jones]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
or my fav for Liara.
"People like Liara for the lesbo action!"

Kraidy...  I have some bad news for you.

I did't romance her for the lesbo action.....

I did.

Lesbians are awesome.

Indeed.

I'm going to do that FemShep playthrough one day...

Just not any time soon...

...Lack of Tali and all that.

[nitefyre410]

Double post.... fail   T_T   *delete* 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 07 août 2010 - 05:30 .

[nitefyre410]

Kira Shepard wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...

um no. No. Just...no.
This one had male shep messing with tali after she teases him about them having to wait for her immunoboosters to kick in. One thing leads to another and...well you see where I'm going with this. I was amazing.

Oh.. well.... let's just forget I said anything...

done. and if I didn't think I'd get banned I'd like you all to it. somehow the mentle image of tali writhing about on the bed...

 

tali writhing about  in in bed in  pure ecstasy ...   DO WANT 

[Su37]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I did.

Lesbians are awesome.

I had my femShep do the same.
Just for that reason.