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[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...
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There's also something to be said for just how you could even get the entire Migrant Fleet to support peace. And it seems entirely dependent on the geth leaving completely. Get the geth saying "You can return to your homeworld. We are staying," and we don't much have the easy way out again.

Anyway, even getting to the point of discussing peace I can imagine would have to be done in secret. There will be quarians who would sacrifice their own souls to make sure the geth pay for the atrocities of the past. Get open public meetings, you set yourself up for terrorist action.

For the record, I think convincing the quarians is going to be 90% of the entire problem.  They have reason to not believe Shep/the geth, and they have organic emotions working against them.  My thought is that in the end, the quarian need/desire to return will win out, though I would expect a minority to defect or whatever as well.  I just don't see the geth causing much strife based on what we know about them now.  If the quarians offer them peace/seclusion if they go somewhere else, I just don't see how they turn that down for no real (or at least currently known,) reason.

For discussing peace, Shep does have the advantage of knowing the admirals, and being able to talk with them about something this important seems pretty likely down the road.

*top*

Modifié par Phil725, 29 juillet 2010 - 12:38 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Like Pacifien said that crap would have been in the report anyway to explain what happened to the Prothean ruins

You can just say "I rescued Liara then the ruins collapsed"

You have to say WHY they collapsed

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 29 juillet 2010 - 12:38 .

[Purification-]

Mukora wrote...

Purification- wrote...

I have one topic:
How you guys think that the relationship between Quarians and The Geth if Quarians did return to their homeland without a war?

Shepard: Hey, Legion. I found some asteroids outside the Perseus Veil the geth can use. Since you aren't using Rannoch for anything...
Legion: One moment. Building consensus.
*four minutes later*
Legion: Consensus achieved. The geth are preparing to move.

:lol:
But in my version, they aren't movin. <_<

[Pacifien]

mrsph wrote...
I assume the canon story of Mass Effect is that every squadmember was with Shepard all the time (unless he took 3 people with him/her)

Not every squadmate might go on the missions every time, but I can certainly see more than two going. Not to mention they probably discuss these missions afterwards.

I abandoned a rewriting of Overlord which actually had Shepard taking a crew to Vulcan Station while Tali went to Prometheus Station.

[XTVengeance]

Water Dumple wrote...

Anybody find it odd that despite the problem with Quarians getting infected from stray shots in battle when their shields are down, Tali works just as normally as any other squadmate even after a suit rupture? A nice way to make the squadmate unique would be to give her loads of extra shields, but suffer an infection if shot while the shields were broken, which would deal constant damage unless Medi-Gel was used.

I came up with ways to make all the other squadmates unique like that, but they would probably fit better in their own thread.

Also, I approve of staying on-topic.

I support this. If you do start a topic PM the link to me.

[Purification-]

Mukora wrote...

Why not? The geth aren't using Rannoch for anything.

I know! But i want to know how Quarians would live with a Geth neighboor! That's the point!

Modifié par Purification-, 29 juillet 2010 - 12:48 .

[Phil725]

Kalashnikov wrote...
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and here again is where i will state that i believe it is the result of the quarians immaturity that the geth war has escalated to this level. if they tried dealing with them DIPLOMATICALLY instead of panicking and initiating conflict this whole situation with the flotilla could have been avoided. this is obviosuly why the council denied assistance to the quarians in the first place

The Morning War is its own can of worms, but I can't see the council's actions being because of anything along the lines of morality or punishment.  Personally, I see the council's actions as a way to make sure that the big 3 kept the power longer.  The quarians are a convenient scapegoat, and its just 17 million now, who cares what they do to them.  Its all politics, there's no reason to help the quarians. 

[Kalashnikov]

Phil725 wrote...

Kalashnikov wrote...
*snip*
and here again is where i will state that i believe it is the result of the quarians immaturity that the geth war has escalated to this level. if they tried dealing with them DIPLOMATICALLY instead of panicking and initiating conflict this whole situation with the flotilla could have been avoided. this is obviosuly why the council denied assistance to the quarians in the first place

The Morning War is its own can of worms, but I can't see the council's actions being because of anything along the lines of morality or punishment.  Personally, I see the council's actions as a way to make sure that the big 3 kept the power longer.  The quarians are a convenient scapegoat, and its just 17 million now, who cares what they do to them.  Its all politics, there's no reason to help the quarians.  

and thats why im glad i killed them off, corrupt fools<_<
i dont understand why the migrant fleet cant just land on a suitable plant not claimed by anyone else and just start colonizing. im sure if significant population centers were established rapidly the council would be powerless to interfere because of the risk of being labelled as genocidal maniacs(i.e they dont want blood on their hands)

Modifié par Kalashnikov, 29 juillet 2010 - 12:44 .

[Mozer121]

Why do they even bother closing these threads when they always come back...

[Pacifien]

Water Dumple wrote...
Anybody find it odd that despite the problem with Quarians getting infected from stray shots in battle when their shields are down, Tali works just as normally as any other squadmate even after a suit rupture? A nice way to make the squadmate unique would be to give her loads of extra shields, but suffer an infection if shot while the shields were broken, which would deal constant damage unless Medi-Gel was used.

I came up with ways to make all the other squadmates unique like that, but they would probably fit better in their own thread.

Intriguing idea. Similar to various races having their advantages and disadvantages in combat in fantasy games. Think it would create a situation where you have to be particularly attuned to the battlefield situation for each squadmate, though. I'm prone to running into battle and just hope my squadmates don't stick out of cover long enough to get themselves killed.

Anyway, getting a suit rupture that I knew would turn into a worse problem later on would just ****** me off even more and that much more determined to finish the fight.

[Water Dumple]

Kalashnikov wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
We don't know if they would leave, true, but I would have a hard time believing that a logically thinking AI race would pass up the chance for safety in exchange of a superfluous ball of rock.  And I definitely wouldn't see it as fanservice if they went that way.  That was the only point I was trying to make really, the geth in general are a pretty big unknown.

There's also something to be said for just how you could get the entire Migrant Fleet to support peace. And it seems entirely dependent on the geth leaving completely. Get the geth saying "You can return to your homeworld. We are staying," and we don't much have the easy way out again.

Anyway, even getting to the point of discussing peace I can imagine would have to be done in secret. There will be quarians who would sacrifice their own souls to make sure the geth pay for the atrocities of the past. Get open public meetings, you set yourself up for terrorist action.

and here again is where i will state that i believe it is the result of the quarians immaturity that the geth war has escalated to this level. if they tried dealing with them DIPLOMATICALLY instead of panicking and initiating conflict this whole situation with the flotilla could have been avoided. this is obviosuly why the council denied assistance to the quarians in the first place

Exactly. This is discussed in several conversations in ME1, one of which involves Shepard accusing the Quarians
of attempting to wipe out an entire race. And as Legion explains in ME2, the Quarians attacked first, when the Geth never actually intended harm upon the "creator-Quarians". The Quarians cast the first stone when they thought the Geth had become too intelligent, rather than questioning what the Geth knew and attempting to find what their intentions were.

[nitefyre410]

Water Dumple wrote...

Anybody find it odd that despite the problem with Quarians getting infected from stray shots in battle when their shields are down, Tali works just as normally as any other squadmate even after a suit rupture? A nice way to make the squadmate unique would be to give her loads of extra shields, but suffer an infection if shot while the shields were broken, which would deal constant damage unless Medi-Gel was used.

I came up with ways to make all the other squadmates unique like that, but they would probably fit better in their own thread.

Also, I approve of staying on-topic.

 

Okay that would be and interesting idea  but even Tali says during her loyalty mission when you talk to Reager that  they as  people would be extinct if they died from everyone  infection.  a Light infection for human would be mild to serious for a Quarian. A Mild to serious infection for a human  would prove fatal to a quarian if  we  compare immune systems.    More correctly it would allergic reaction.  

Honestly what i would love to see  as a way to make squad mates unique is add a good hand to hand combat system in game. I lovely to see Tali slit a throat with her  boot  knife and  Thane sneak up on some and snap their neck. 

[Pacifien]

Phil725 wrote...
For discussing peace, Shep does have the advantage of knowing the admirals, and being able to talk with them about something this important seems pretty likely down the road.

Shepard also has the advantage of being a Reaper who can indoctrinate anyone to his will.

[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
For discussing peace, Shep does have the advantage of knowing the admirals, and being able to talk with them about something this important seems pretty likely down the road.

Shepard also has the advantage of being a Reaper who can indoctrinate anyone to his will.

Well I was trying to avoid the metagame explanation of 'upper left blue' always wins for discussion purposes, even though that's probably what will happen in ME3

[Pacifien]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Not only did the council not help the quarians, they booted them off one of the worlds they tried to colonize. Whether or not you believe the council should have punished the quarians for what they did, they are comdemning them to death.

Or perhaps the Council wanted the quarians to consider a much less sucky world to colonize. But agree the Council probably has no love for the quarians, probably even before they were cast out of the Citadel. Wonder what could have led to that sense of prejudice if that were true.

[Goat_Shepard]

You fools what have you done?

[Titanium Man]

Mukora wrote...

Purification- wrote...
I know! But i want to know how Quarians would live with a Geth neighboor! That's the point!

Oh. It probably wouldn't go well, what with people like Xen punching their geth neighbours in the face and leaving flaming bags of poo on their porch.

I smell a sitcom.  Geth and Me.