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[Savakka1]

Kalashnikov wrote...

Mukora wrote...

Kalashnikov wrote...
and they have only themselves to blame for it 

I blame ignorant people. This is far from the quarians' fault.

*ahem* who made the geth?
who started a war with them?
(not hating on quarians, i love tali, but i hate the admiralty's  brash decision to go to war with the geth)

Quarians today have nothing to do with this.

[Collider]

Can't be blamed for something your ancestors did.
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Clan Zorah, companion group to the Tali thread!

Modifié par Collider, 07 août 2010 - 09:31 .

[Phil725]

Kalashnikov wrote...

Mukora wrote...

Kalashnikov wrote...
and they have only themselves to blame for it 

I blame ignorant people. This is far from the quarians' fault.

*ahem* who made the geth?
who started a war with them?
(not hating on quarians, i love tali, but i hate the admiralty's  brash decision to go to war with the geth)

Just a note, we know next to nothing about how the Morning War started.  The quarians may have had a completely different government structure at that point.

[TTTX]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Savakka1 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Oh I'm sure there will be death. One turian in particular. I remember Lividity asking for details to further detail the punishment he would receive.

Pages will be devoted to his death.

Pages.

Just the way I like it

Should I be worried of this?

Nah.

Kiron is scum.

in other words he deserve whats coming to him.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Kalashnikov wrote...

Mukora wrote...

Kalashnikov wrote...
and they have only themselves to blame for it 

I blame ignorant people. This is far from the quarians' fault.

*ahem* who made the geth?
who started a war with them?
(not hating on quarians, i love tali, but i hate the admiralty's  brash decision to go to war with the geth)

Just a note, we know next to nothing about how the Morning War started.  The quarians may have had a completely different government structure at that point.

The government ordered immediate shutdown of all of the Geth. Then the Geth resisted. That may be all there really is to it.

[Mobius_118]

Mukora wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
Nah.

Kiron is scum.

Still don't understand why you enjoy writing about bad stuff happening to Xen if you like her so much, wouldn't you rather write about happy things?

When I first joined up and read about it, I like Xen as a character. Reckoning just fleshes out her character, despite it not being canon with the actual game.

You can love a character, but that doesn't mean it's going to be a happy story,

[TTTX]

Collider wrote...

Can't be blamed for something your ancestors did.

some humans do, even today.

so why not aliens ecpically when one of the council members can live for a very long time.

[Aesaar]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Aesaar wrote...

I think part of what makes this story awesome is that it isn't cliched as hell.  I want someone to kill everyone in that place, but I'd be really disappointed if it happened.  It feels more real when things don't work out as you want them to.

I am very, very interested to see how Xen gets out of there.

Oh I'm sure there will be death. One turian in particular. I remember Lividity asking for details to further detail the punishment he would receive.

I wasn't clear.  I'd have no problem with Xen killing a few people on her way out, and then getting revenge on Jason somehow (as long as it is done plausibly).  I just don't want her getting rescued by some big goddamn heroes.  It's not unknown for quarians to run rescue ops (like Veetor), but I think it would be a mistake to have that happen with Xen.

Modifié par Aesaar, 07 août 2010 - 09:36 .

[Phil725]

Mukora wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
Just a note, we know next to nothing about how the Morning War started.

Yes we do. Geth became self-aware. Asked about souls. Idiot quarians attacked them.

Which is all we know.  My comment was aimed at the assumption that they had an admirality board.

[Collider]

TTTX wrote...

Collider wrote...

Can't be blamed for something your ancestors did.

some humans do, even today.

so why not aliens ecpically when one of the council members can live for a very long time.

Because it's foolish.

[Savakka1]

TTTX wrote...

Collider wrote...

Can't be blamed for something your ancestors did.

some humans do, even today.

It still doesn't make it justfied.

[Lividity Jones]

Mukora wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
Nah.

Kiron is scum.

Still don't understand why you enjoy writing about bad stuff happening to Xen if you like her so much, wouldn't you rather write about happy things?

How could I possibly do her character justice if she doesn't learn to become the character you see in ME2?

It hasn't reached it's conclusion yet so I don't want to give anything away, but her experiences there will teach Daro a very important lesson that will put her on the path to becoming the Admiral you see.

We want people to realize that Xen was at some point, not such a terrible person. A loner, maybe, but she loved her parents, and she was loyal to the people she did care about, and she has always loved her people and wants them to be safe, regardless of how the general quarian treated her in her youth. Then some things happen, bad things, horrible things. We wanted to make what happens to her horrific, but that's just a plot device. It's why it's happening, and what it does to her head and her heart that matter, and how it turns her into a monster.

Our goal is, if you have to shoot Xen in 3, you'll do it, because it's the right thing to do, but after reading our story, you'll understand why she did it, understand why she needed to do it, and you'll look down at ther broken mask with a bullet smoldering inside, and you'll regret that it had to end this way for her. 

Thats what we're trying to do.

[InHarmsWay]

mrsph wrote...

Since quarians are basically Space-Gypsies, I can see the "be good or I'll call a quarian to take you away!" thing being used to scare at least some children.

I would actually see them using batarians. Especially with colonists.

Imagine that. Shepard being told by his mother that if he isn't good, he'll be taken away by batarain slavers. And then the Mindoir raid. Everyone around him gets taken.

[TTTX]

mrsph wrote...

I highly doubt every quarian knew about the geth's sentience. It would be a pretty bad day if your butler-bot just turned on you for no reason.

the quarians attacked first Tali say this.

[Mobius_118]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Mukora wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
Nah.

Kiron is scum.

Still don't understand why you enjoy writing about bad stuff happening to Xen if you like her so much, wouldn't you rather write about happy things?

How could I possibly do her character justice if she doesn't learn to become the character you see in ME2?

It hasn't reached it's conclusion yet so I don't want to give anything away, but her experiences there will teach Daro a very important lesson that will put her on the path to becoming the Admiral you see.

We want people to realize that Xen was at some point, not such a terrible person. A loner, maybe, but she loved her parents, and she was loyal to the people she did care about, and she has always loved her people and wants them to be safe, regardless of how the general quarian treated her in her youth. Then some things happen, bad things, horrible things. We wanted to make what happens to her horrific, but that's just a plot device. It's why it's happening, and what it does to her head and her heart that matter, and how it turns her into a monster.

Our goal is, if you have to shoot Xen in 3, you'll do it, because it's the right thing to do, but after reading our story, you'll understand why she did it, understand why she needed to do it, and you'll look down at ther broken mask with a bullet smoldering inside, and you'll regret that it had to end this way for her. 

Thats what we're trying to do.

Building sympathy for the devil, so to speak.

[Collider]

Lividity Jones wrote...
 

...except that it's not canon. Xen as depicted in ME2 is basically a mustache-twirling villain telling people of her desire for world domination. Not that I mean to downplay your skillful writing. Xen is pretty vile as she is actually portrayed.

[Collider]

TTTX wrote...

mrsph wrote...
I highly doubt every quarian knew about the geth's sentience. It would be a pretty bad day if your butler-bot just turned on you for no reason.

the quarians attacked first Tali say this.

That doesn't mean everyone did it.

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
 

...except that it's not canon. Xen as depicted in ME2 is basically a mustache-twirling villain telling people of her desire for world domination. Not that I mean to downplay your skillful writing. Xen is pretty vile as she is actually portrayed.

Which is boring.

The creation of the fic sprung from the desire to see her fulfill her potential as a character and as an antagonist.

The real challenge here is to get her from point A to point B.