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[Collider]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

Shepard is boring.

Considering the fact that his only character development has been in fanfiction, yeah.

Yeah, he is kinda dull. Most of his personality comes from what we read into him. And those parts of ourselves that we project onto him. Just imagine Shepard as you, then he's a bit more developed.

Isn't that kind of the point? 

Be that as it may, wouldn't you like to see Tali asking about his past or asking what she means to him?

Some in-game character development would be appreciated at the very least

Agreed. Allow the player (us) to answer some questions about our past.  Then you can get Tali's/any character's reaction to it, and you flesh out Shepard.  This, also, wouldn't remove the 'this is My Shepard' feeling, as everyone could choose to answer it in a different way.

Very true.

[Sarcastic]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

Shepard is boring.

Considering the fact that his only character development has been in fanfiction, yeah.

Yeah, he is kinda dull. Most of his personality comes from what we read into him. And those parts of ourselves that we project onto him. Just imagine Shepard as you, then he's a bit more developed.

I would state with almost certainty that the Shepard in the "book" is a ******. I can not imagine him being a very nice person simply because of the way that the aliens in the game act through the dialog choices. You can make them cry, appologize or cry and appologize. Seriously if you play nice long enough then they will "give it up" for you. 5 bucks says he is a complete ****hole.

[cannedcream]

Lividity Jones wrote...


Be that as it may, wouldn't you like to see Tali asking about his past or asking what she means to him?

Some in-game character development would be appreciated at the very least

Shepard sometimes cries himself to sleep at night, wondering why no one ever asks about him.
This whole 'saving the universe' thing? Just a desperate cry for attention.

[mesmerizedish]

Collider wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

Shepard is boring.

Considering the fact that his only character development has been in fanfiction, yeah.

Yeah, he is kinda dull. Most of his personality comes from what we read into him. And those parts of ourselves that we project onto him. Just imagine Shepard as you, then he's a bit more developed.

Isn't that kind of the point? 

I want Shepard to be his own character. I don't want to have imagine **** in my head that isn't recognized by the game.

Ah, I gotcha... the whole reason I don't play much Elder Scrolls anymore. I don't know, there's a balance between making the character exist on his own and taking creative control out of the hands of the player... If Shepard is as developed as the NPCs, then he's not really MY character, which defeates the purpose of an RPG. But, if EVERYTHING about the character is left blank for the player to fill in, then you're right, the game has no way to react to it. I think Mass Effect strikes a nice balance between the two.

[Collider]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

phonypapercut wrote...
Not as firm. And I'm convinced she has actually stuffed a volus down her pants, so that hardly counts.

Two.

RIP Voluses. Nothing could survive there.

[Mobius_118]

But that requires effort. Effort, which would definitely flesh out the characters, but would be...Honestly I can't find a downside to making the characters more personal.

[Collider]

From my discussion group:

I agree. Instead of having to roleplay in a way that isn't even recognized by the game, we should be able to flesh out our protagonists within the game itself. I liked the amount of the choices you had in KOTOR II. As I said earlier I was almost overwhelmed by the amount of ways we could have our character interpret what happened on Telos and the Mandalorian Wars. You could be callous. You could be violent. You could say it was a necessary evil. You could say the Jedi were cowards. If people want blank slates, they have other venues to roleplay in. But in games, you're always going to have a framework. If you must have a framework, at least make the framework good.



So, why was the KOTOR II PC so good? In part, because we were asked questions. I remember very specifically, talking to Bao-dur, and I hear the soft spoken words "So why did you decide to fight?"



In Mass Effect, we're always asking the questions. Apparently no one gives a **** about Shepard's feelings.

[cannedcream]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...


I agree. I'd like the relationship to be more of a two-way street. It would be awesome if Tali asked about his people, or explored his feelings more.

This. A thousand times this.

[Lividity Jones]

Kira Shepard wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...
anticouncil peice snip

Interesting.

I must have missed this.

This group seems to take inspiration from Shepard as a figure, correct?

actually I just started this today. and confidentially it was Shepard himself who wrote the peice and distributed it on the extranet. EA doesn't exist per se its an idea.

Ah... I see...

I was always convinced that there was going to be an underground extranet-based movement in support of Shepard and his warnings.

I just wanted to suggest that they might use his name as inspiration for their's.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

From my discussion group:

I agree. Instead of having to roleplay in a way that isn't even recognized by the game, we should be able to flesh out our protagonists within the game itself. I liked the amount of the choices you had in KOTOR II. As I said earlier I was almost overwhelmed by the amount of ways we could have our character interpret what happened on Telos and the Mandalorian Wars. You could be callous. You could be violent. You could say it was a necessary evil. You could say the Jedi were cowards. If people want blank slates, they have other venues to roleplay in. But in games, you're always going to have a framework. If you must have a framework, at least make the framework good.

So, why was the KOTOR II PC so good? In part, because we were asked questions. I remember very specifically, talking to Bao-dur, and I hear the soft spoken words "So why did you decide to fight?"

In Mass Effect, we're always asking the questions. Apparently no one gives a **** about Shepard's feelings.

Well said, Coll.

[Lividity Jones]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Agreed. Allow the player (us) to answer some questions about our past.  Then you can get Tali's/any character's reaction to it, and you flesh out Shepard.  This, also, wouldn't remove the 'this is My Shepard' feeling, as everyone could choose to answer it in a different way.

Indeed.

Dragon Age did it extraordinarily well with the conversations the Warden has with Wynne.

Seeing that same approach applied here would be outstanding.

[Phil725]

Mobius_118 wrote...

But that requires effort. Effort, which would definitely flesh out the characters, but would be...Honestly I can't find a downside to making the characters more personal.

Game immersion is the downside.  The path that Bioware chose to go appeals to people that want to role play as their Shep, and get extremely immersed in the game.  I've seen some incredibly thought out and detailed Shep backstories on here before, and bringing that stuff up in game limits some people's immersion.  Bioware seems to have made their choice on what direction they want to go, I see it as a nice change up personally.

[Sarcastic]

cannedcream wrote...

Palidine_0225 wrote...

Just finished "Tempest" CC, it was damn good. I always enjoy your work. Keep it up!

Thanks, Pal. I am to please.
Well, actually I am to rip out people's hearts and show it to them, but if I keep pumping out tragic fiction, than everyone's going to build up an immunity. And we can't have that. . .

Truth and with Riptide/Lividity cranking out Reckoning all this tragedy will simply cause us to stop carring about the universe and the reapers will win. So with this newfound truth you must control your inner(or outer) demons so that reapers will be defeated and we can all live miserably ever after with endless soul ripping FF's. =)

Modifié par Palidine_0225, 08 août 2010 - 06:56 .

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

From my discussion group:

I agree. Instead of having to roleplay in a way that isn't even recognized by the game, we should be able to flesh out our protagonists within the game itself. I liked the amount of the choices you had in KOTOR II. As I said earlier I was almost overwhelmed by the amount of ways we could have our character interpret what happened on Telos and the Mandalorian Wars. You could be callous. You could be violent. You could say it was a necessary evil. You could say the Jedi were cowards. If people want blank slates, they have other venues to roleplay in. But in games, you're always going to have a framework. If you must have a framework, at least make the framework good.

So, why was the KOTOR II PC so good? In part, because we were asked questions. I remember very specifically, talking to Bao-dur, and I hear the soft spoken words "So why did you decide to fight?"

In Mass Effect, we're always asking the questions. Apparently no one gives a **** about Shepard's feelings.

I had almost completely forgotten that...

KOTOR 2 did indeed give you ample opportunities to flesh out the Exile.

[Kira Shepard]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...
anticouncil peice snip

Interesting.

I must have missed this.

This group seems to take inspiration from Shepard as a figure, correct?

actually I just started this today. and confidentially it was Shepard himself who wrote the peice and distributed it on the extranet. EA doesn't exist per se its an idea.

Ah... I see...

I was always convinced that there was going to be an underground extranet-based movement in support of Shepard and his warnings.

I just wanted to suggest that they might use his name as inspiration for their's.

I'm actually writing this for a little scene when garrus finds it recognises that shepard wrote it, confronts him rather jokingly as he waves it off eventually culmenating in him telling garrus that the manifesto was meant to provide the base for an idea and that it would be up to others to act on it.

[Water Dumple]

Collider wrote...

From my discussion group:

I agree. Instead of having to roleplay in a way that isn't even recognized by the game, we should be able to flesh out our protagonists within the game itself. I liked the amount of the choices you had in KOTOR II. As I said earlier I was almost overwhelmed by the amount of ways we could have our character interpret what happened on Telos and the Mandalorian Wars. You could be callous. You could be violent. You could say it was a necessary evil. You could say the Jedi were cowards. If people want blank slates, they have other venues to roleplay in. But in games, you're always going to have a framework. If you must have a framework, at least make the framework good.

So, why was the KOTOR II PC so good? In part, because we were asked questions. I remember very specifically, talking to Bao-dur, and I hear the soft spoken words "So why did you decide to fight?"

In Mass Effect, we're always asking the questions. Apparently no one gives a **** about Shepard's feelings.

Definitely agreed. I got the impression from ME1 that Mark Meer/Jennifer Hale were just asked to voice "What can you tell me about...." and then a bunch of random words, which were stuck on the end of that sentence a hundred times over the course of the game.

[Mobius_118]

I'd hope to change it up with some of my fics...I've got nothing but time at work most nights, so I can just think **** up and write it down, then come here and post it.

[cannedcream]

Phil725 wrote...


Game immersion is the downside.  The path that Bioware chose to go appeals to people that want to role play as their Shep, and get extremely immersed in the game.  I've seen some incredibly thought out and detailed Shep backstories on here before, and bringing that stuff up in game limits some people's immersion.  Bioware seems to have made their choice on what direction they want to go, I see it as a nice change up personally.

That reminds me, about a week or so ago I think I remember seeing people post their unique Shepard's background and personalities and they all seemed to follow the same general template. Would anyone happen to have saved it?

[Lividity Jones]

cannedcream wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...


Be that as it may, wouldn't you like to see Tali asking about his past or asking what she means to him?

Some in-game character development would be appreciated at the very least

Shepard sometimes cries himself to sleep at night, wondering why no one ever asks about him.
This whole 'saving the universe' thing? Just a desperate cry for attention.

Shepard: MY PARENTS ARE DEEEAAAD!

[Kira Shepard]

Wow. CC writing something that ISN'T tragic...It's almost enough to make me revoke his "Mr.Drifting/Quarian Rapist" nickname.

[Collider]

Lividity Jones wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...


Be that as it may, wouldn't you like to see Tali asking about his past or asking what she means to him?

Some in-game character development would be appreciated at the very least

Shepard sometimes cries himself to sleep at night, wondering why no one ever asks about him.
This whole 'saving the universe' thing? Just a desperate cry for attention.

Shepard: MY PARENTS ARE DEEEAAAD!

I want Shepard to be able to shown as vulnerable at times. If the player choses. I don't want the Action Hero with no problems. I want to say that I'm feeling a bit down and then Tali cheers my Shepard up with a few laughs.

[Lividity Jones]

Kira Shepard wrote...

Wow. CC writing something that ISN'T tragic...It's almost enough to make me revoke his "Mr.Drifting/Quarian Rapist" nickname.

Everyone keeps saying this...

...I'm not convinced. It's a trap, I know it!

HISS! WE KNOW CREAM'S TRICKS!

[Mobius_118]

Lividity Jones wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...


Be that as it may, wouldn't you like to see Tali asking about his past or asking what she means to him?

Some in-game character development would be appreciated at the very least

Shepard sometimes cries himself to sleep at night, wondering why no one ever asks about him.
This whole 'saving the universe' thing? Just a desperate cry for attention.

Shepard: MY PARENTS ARE DEEEAAAD!

Shepard: My parents weren't there and never LOVED MEEEEE.

Really, that's what it boiled down to.

[Ormagodenator]

cannedcream wrote...

Phil725 wrote...


Game immersion is the downside.  The path that Bioware chose to go appeals to people that want to role play as their Shep, and get extremely immersed in the game.  I've seen some incredibly thought out and detailed Shep backstories on here before, and bringing that stuff up in game limits some people's immersion.  Bioware seems to have made their choice on what direction they want to go, I see it as a nice change up personally.

That reminds me, about a week or so ago I think I remember seeing people post their unique Shepard's background and personalities and they all seemed to follow the same general template. Would anyone happen to have saved it?

I remember that,
but I did'nt save any

[Kira Shepard]

Mobius_118 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...


Be that as it may, wouldn't you like to see Tali asking about his past or asking what she means to him?

Some in-game character development would be appreciated at the very least

Shepard sometimes cries himself to sleep at night, wondering why no one ever asks about him.
This whole 'saving the universe' thing? Just a desperate cry for attention.

Shepard[/b]: MY PARENTS ARE DEEEAAAD!

Shepard[/b]: My parents weren't there and never LOVED MEEEEE.

Really, that's what it boiled down to.

Only father I ever known as a body artist with a thing for self mutilation. Honestly I'm shocked I turned out as well as I did.