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[Water Dumple]

XTVengeance wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

Anybody find it odd that despite the problem with Quarians getting infected from stray shots in battle when their shields are down, Tali works just as normally as any other squadmate even after a suit rupture? A nice way to make the squadmate unique would be to give her loads of extra shields, but suffer an infection if shot while the shields were broken, which would deal constant damage unless Medi-Gel was used.

I came up with ways to make all the other squadmates unique like that, but they would probably fit better in their own thread.

Also, I approve of staying on-topic.

I support this. If you do start a topic PM the link to me.

Sure, I'll post some of the other ones I came up with in another thread.

[Purification-]

Mozer121 wrote...

Why do they even bother closing these threads when they always come back...

LOL XD

Stay on-topic friend, on-topic! 

[Skadhi1]

Purification- wrote...
I know! But i want to know how Quarians would live with a Geth neighboor! That's the point!

Seems likely to be remarkably difficult.  The Quarians could never be sure the Geth wouldn't turn on them.  The converse is probably true as well.

Perhaps the Tali/Legion interaction in ME2 creates the seed of cooperation that might develop in ME3.  This would make both of them central characters in the story.  The only bad point is that such a role for Tali might make her use as a squadmate a problem.

[Pacifien]

Water Dumple wrote...
Exactly. This is discussed in several conversations in ME1, one of which involves Shepard accusing the Quarians
of attempting to wipe out an entire race. And as Legion explains in ME2, the Quarians attacked first, when the Geth never actually intended harm upon the "creator-Quarians". The Quarians cast the first stone when they thought the Geth had become too intelligent, rather than questioning what the Geth knew and attempting to find what their intentions were.

I don't begrudge the quarians from casting the first stone, because for them, it was an attempt to shut down a series of VIs. Like the Council deciding one day to shut off AVINA. Their mistake was not realizing that the geth had progressed past the VI stage.

Once they realized they had declared war on AIs, who knows where the war went there, but I imagine all it did was cause the quarians to redouble their efforts to wipe all the geth out. An AI created by accident is probably not the best thing to have wandering around.

However, it's 300 years. How many quarian generations? They're still in exile. A new solution needs to be considered here.

[Kalashnikov]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Not only did the council not help the quarians, they booted them off one of the worlds they tried to colonize. Whether or not you believe the council should have punished the quarians for what they did, they are comdemning them to death.

Or perhaps the Council wanted the quarians to consider a much less sucky world to colonize. But agree the Council probably has no love for the quarians, probably even before they were cast out of the Citadel. Wonder what could have led to that sense of prejudice if that were true.

Ekuna was pretty much as suck of a planet there can be. Uncolonizable by most standards and they still gave them the boot.

the quarians were given the boot off of ekuna because they settled a few thousand quarians BEFORE approaching the council. this was illegal and the plant was then given to the elcor (they can handle the gravity much better)

[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Not only did the council not help the quarians, they booted them off one of the worlds they tried to colonize. Whether or not you believe the council should have punished the quarians for what they did, they are comdemning them to death.

Or perhaps the Council wanted the quarians to consider a much less sucky world to colonize. But agree the Council probably has no love for the quarians, probably even before they were cast out of the Citadel. Wonder what could have led to that sense of prejudice if that were true.

The reasoning for kicking them off Ekuna is believable.  The quarians didn't follow the proper channels, and the council in their prejudiced state has every reason to support the elcor over the quarians.  Later well being for the quarians was definitely not a part of their decision though.

I've always assumed that the quarians were challenging the other 3 races for power.  We know they're technologically strong, they had been around for thousands of years, they probably just reached a new level of power with a synthetic work force/probably army as well.  Maybe they were even finding ways to colonize quicker despite their immune systems (the suits perhaps?)  I think it was getting harder and harder to deny the quarians that council seat, and the last thing people in power will do is give that power to others.  Then the geth uprising comes, prayers answered for the asari/turians/salarians, bye bye quarians.

[Pacifien]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Ekuna was pretty much as suck of a planet there can be. Uncolonizable by most standards and they still gave them the boot.

Not so sucky for the Elcor it would seem.

[Goat_Shepard]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

You fools what have you done?

I didn't post the entire day. Woo didn't see any Tali. Woo locked the thread. On topic now, please.

No more Xen? No more tropes and meme-speach? No more quote walls of smileys?

Yeah we've been told that before. I will admire your vigilance.

[Purification-]

Water Dumple wrote...

Exactly. This is discussed in several conversations in ME1, one of which involves Shepard accusing the Quarians
of
attempting to wipe out an entire race. And as Legion explains in ME2,
the Quarians attacked first, when the Geth never actually intended harm
upon the "creator-Quarians". The Quarians cast the first stone when they
thought the Geth had become too intelligent, rather than questioning
what the Geth knew and attempting to find what their intentions were.

Agreed. If they attempted to find Geth's intentions, maybe they would be on Rannoch now.

[Kalashnikov]

Pacifien wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Ekuna was pretty much as suck of a planet there can be. Uncolonizable by most standards and they still gave them the boot.

Not so sucky for the Elcor it would seem.

they are well suited to the high gravity.

[Skadhi1]

Pacifien wrote...

They're still in exile. A new solution needs to be considered here.

I wonder if some of the Collector technology might permit improvement of the immune system?  Nice twist if keeping the Collector base was the key to saving the Quarians.

I still think the Tali/Legion connection will be a key point, though.

[RiptideX1090]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

You fools what have you done?

I didn't post the entire day. Woo didn't see any Tali. Woo locked the thread. On topic now, please.

No more Xen? No more tropes and meme-speach? No more quote walls of smileys?

Yeah we've been told that before. I will admire your vigilance.

Xen is Mass Effect Related. I doubt that, or discussing quarians in general will be a problem.

Now, stop complaining and contribute.

Why do you like Tali?

Modifié par RiptideX1090, 29 juillet 2010 - 12:57 .

[Kalashnikov]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Kalashnikov wrote...
the quarians were given the boot off of ekuna because they settled a few thousand quarians BEFORE approaching the council. this was illegal and the plant was then given to the elcor (they can handle the gravity much better)

Imagine a government that had the ability to stop a war that was destroying your country just watches from the sideline. They did nothing. The last remnants of your people sail to a previously uncharted island, never before known of and completely empty but technically inside their waters. Why the hell wouldn't you give them the island? It's because of the same reason you did nothing to stop the war in the first place. There was obviously hatred for the quarian people before the morning war, and the council let that emotion influence their decision.

very true they are corrupt, but as i was saying earlier the quarians reacted hastily to the geths beginnings of self awareness and the exilation from rannoch could have been avoided. thats the only point im trying to make. other than that you are correct in saying that racism is prevalent in the councils decisions

[nitefyre410]

Pacifien wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...
Exactly. This is discussed in several conversations in ME1, one of which involves Shepard accusing the Quarians
of attempting to wipe out an entire race. And as Legion explains in ME2, the Quarians attacked first, when the Geth never actually intended harm upon the "creator-Quarians". The Quarians cast the first stone when they thought the Geth had become too intelligent, rather than questioning what the Geth knew and attempting to find what their intentions were.

I don't begrudge the quarians from casting the first stone, because for them, it was an attempt to shut down a series of VIs. Like the Council deciding one day to shut off AVINA. Their mistake was not realizing that the geth had progressed past the VI stage.

Once they realized they had declared war on AIs, who knows where the war went there, but I imagine all it did was cause the quarians to redouble their efforts to wipe all the geth out. An AI created by accident is probably not the best thing to have wandering around.

However, it's 300 years. How many quarian generations? They're still in exile. A new solution needs to be considered here.

 

300 years that about 15  generations.  

The only  thing is once the Geth asked if it had a soul thats when  they went beyond being simple  VI in my book.  The Geth have been wondering around for  300 years now and mostly stayed to themselves besides the heretics.   The Quarians could have found a more peaceful solution but they did what most  would in that situation knee jerk reaction of fear. Which i could understand, if my PC just up and asked me if it had a soul i would be like WTF too.  

[RiptideX1090]

Skadhi1 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

They're still in exile. A new solution needs to be considered here.

I wonder if some of the Collector technology might permit improvement of the immune system?  Nice twist if keeping the Collector base was the key to saving the Quarians.

I still think the Tali/Legion connection will be a key point, though.

Oh... I like this...

I want there to be good and bad things that come from all choices... this would be just... cruel...

I support this idea.

[Pacifien]

Phil725 wrote...
The reasoning for kicking them off Ekuna is believable.  The quarians didn't follow the proper channels, and the council in their prejudiced state has every reason to support the elcor over the quarians.  Later well being for the quarians was definitely not a part of their decision though.

I'd rather the quarians be a bit smarter about their colonization attempts. The whole reason why I want them to colonize is because I want them to build a stronger civilization, a strong infrastructure. Not so easy when you have to fight the environment even more because it didn't suit your needs.

Phil725 wrote...
I've always assumed that the quarians were challenging the other 3 races for power.  We know they're technologically strong, they had been around for thousands of years, they probably just reached a new level of power with a synthetic work force/probably army as well.  Maybe they were even finding ways to colonize quicker despite their immune systems (the suits perhaps?)  I think it was getting harder and harder to deny the quarians that council seat, and the last thing people in power will do is give that power to others.  Then the geth uprising comes, prayers answered for the asari/turians/salarians, bye bye quarians.

Because of the reaction to humans, I'm not so inclined to think it was a huge reluctance on the Council's part to allow for another Council seat. It would appear the driving force for a Council seat, leaving dirty politics out of the equation for a bit, is that any race that joins is capable of taking care of not only themselves but the needs of the rest of the Citadel races should that need arise. There's a news report you can hear in ME2 where the Alliance appeals for more aid in the colonial abductions and the Council's response was that their being a Council member meant they could handle their own affairs.

Anyway, I do think the extensive use of synthetics by the quarians made the Council nervous. Apparently, the laws against AIs existed before the geth situation. Some event in the past made the Council nervous about synthetics.

[Purification-]

Skadhi1 wrote...

I wonder if some of the Collector technology might permit improvement of the immune system?  Nice twist if keeping the Collector base was the key to saving the Quarians.

I still think the Tali/Legion connection will be a key point, though.

Interesting... Collector technology might help.
And yeah, Tali/Legion connections solves alot of problems.

Modifié par Purification-, 29 juillet 2010 - 01:00 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Mukora wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...
No more Xen? No more tropes and meme-speach? No more quote walls of smileys?

I'm not seeing a downside...

I know, but these things are unavoidable, it seems. Rune himself declared that if Xen gets the thread through the slow hours, that's ok. That was about the time I lost faith in this place.

So it'll require a completely different mindset here, you don't need to advance 10 pages a day, there is no quota. Enjoy the on-topicness.

Now for my leave.

[RiptideX1090]

Purification- wrote...

Skadhi1 wrote...

I wonder if some of the Collector technology might permit improvement of the immune system?  Nice twist if keeping the Collector base was the key to saving the Quarians.

I still think the Tali/Legion connection will be a key point, though.

Interesting... Collector technology might help.

I've always wondered what Golo hoped to gain from his deal with the Collectors...

How ironic it would have been if he was trading for a cure to their immune systems, or a way to get the Homeworld back.

[Pacifien]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...
You fools what have you done?

I didn't post the entire day. Woo didn't see any Tali. Woo locked the thread. On topic now, please.

No more Xen? No more tropes and meme-speach? No more quote walls of smileys?

Yeah we've been told that before. I will admire your vigilance.

I'm under the impression that Woo would rather see more discussion about Tali than simple images of Tali in this type of thread.

[RiptideX1090]

Pacifien wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...
You fools what have you done?

I didn't post the entire day. Woo didn't see any Tali. Woo locked the thread. On topic now, please.

No more Xen? No more tropes and meme-speach? No more quote walls of smileys?

Yeah we've been told that before. I will admire your vigilance.

I'm under the impression that Woo would rather see more discussion about Tali than simple images of Tali in this type of thread.

Agreed.

And his stance always seemed to be as long as we were discussing Tali, the quarians, or Mass Effect in a constructive way, we were good. We have NOT been holding up to that lately.

So. Let us return to being on topic.

[Pacifien]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Imagine a government that had the ability to stop a war that was destroying your country just watches from the sideline. They did nothing. The last remnants of your people sail to a previously uncharted island, never before known of and completely empty but technically inside their waters. Why the hell wouldn't you give them the island? It's because of the same reason you did nothing to stop the war in the first place. There was obviously hatred for the quarian people before the morning war, and the council let that emotion influence their decision.

Why would you doom the quarians to an oppressive environment in the first place? It's like allowing them to settle an atoll that was used for nuclear weapons testing.

Not even sure the Council could have stopped that war without bring the geth's wrath upon themselves. Don't even know how swift the war even was, it could have been a complete wipe before the Council could even blink.