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[Gust4v]

He likes Tali.
That's the only logical explanation.

Top:

Sh!t. I think I broke a nail.

Modifié par Gust4v, 09 août 2010 - 05:22 .

[SpaceBuscuit]

RedTracer7 wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Why do humanity's interests require a band of human racists to defend them in yours?

They are not racist.  Humanity requires a defense because the various alien species have, as seen, acted in their best interest first.  The turians, for example, have broken sentient races over the knee by utilizing brutal tactics in order to force submission.

That's not to say, however, that I expect such a drastic defense to be neccessary.  Earth must stand firm against alien influences, "politically, socially, and in the worst case, militarily".   We cannot forget Shanxi.

Exactly. Humanity's defensiveness with regard to aliens is understandable. Indeed, humans don't act any more aggressively than any of the other species. As I see it, the ME universe humans have actually acted fairly honorably in most situations, and don't deserve their reputation as domineering aggressors. It seems more that the other races were simply made uncomfortable by the newcomers' precocious infuluence.

[RedTracer7]

MadCat221 wrote...

*facepalm*

Spouting tired ideology... the universal response to hard questions.

PS: "They are not racist" and "Standing firm against alien influences politicallly social and in the worst case militarily" are contradictory.

They are not contradictory.  There is a large difference between working to keep Humanity strong, and actively hating/spitting on/assaulting other races.

As to the ideology... what?  My ideas are well represented by history.  Conservative theory and Realpolitik have been proven to work.  The burden of proof, of your 'utopian universe', falls on your shoulders.  

I will not alter a stance that is correct.

[abatista]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

abatista wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...


top:
*snip*

Gabby ain't buyin' that ****.

Tali's cards are probably reflecting off of her visor too

That's okay.

That money Shepard one is going to the "Tal's Ornemantal Quarian Suit Decorations" fund.

Or to purchasing a book titled "How to get back at Cheaters". 

[RiptideX1090]

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...



Who's left to defend humanity in your version of the galaxy?

Shepard can't do it alone, forever.

If Shepard does everything right?

He won't have to.

Sometimes... all it takes is one man.

Look at Jesus. Or MLK. Or Ghandi. All great men, religious connotations aside, who promoted great things that have had a lasting effect on the world. Sure, there is some negative mixed in there, but there's a lot of good too. It's a start.

I don't have many heroes. Almost none. I have no respect for the majority of people I've met, known, or have heard about. There are exceptions. MLK is one. Without some of the work he did, and the support of those who followed him, I'd have been deprived my best friend through childhood. I'd have been deprived of the girl I asked to prom.

That's what Shepard can be. The person that starts the turnabout. So that one day, maybe quarians won't be looked at with so much mistrust, and that human working the salvage team might hire that quarian on pilgrimage, and maybe they'll be friends, as opposed to telling her humans don't want quarians working there.

There is always a better way. It may be rough, and it may not be easy, but in the end... it can be worth it, for someone out there. Don't you think that's something worthwhile? If not in your game, then in the real world?

I have no real problem with peace.  I support integration of foreign ideas and ideals.  But it would be naive to believe that a defense isn't necessary.   Great leaders, for example, are often helped along by the times they inhabit.  There is a reason it took India so long to break its colonial collar; because until the 1940s, Britain wanted to keep them.  Ghandi's timing was just lucky.  He gave a face to the movement (and if anyone saw tonight's Frankenhole on AS.... XD) at just the right time.

But we cannot stand idly as the machinations of others act to harm us.  We cannot believe that these machinations don't exist.

See, this is where we're miscommunicating.

I don't believe we shouldn't arm up.

I think we should build enough weapons to bomb the turians back to the stone age. It's what we did with Russia. It's what every soveriegn nation has always done.

However, that doesn't mean we can't also offer to use that build up to help the turians when they need it. Just because we pine for human rights, doesn't mean you have to surpress alien rights to do it. You don't need to be a rascist or support rascists to get your point across. You can do it, and do it honorably, in a manner that benefits everyone.

Terra Firma does not support this. They're all about humans first, as opposed to a strong humanity that can stand up not only for itself, but with and for the other races as well.

Modifié par RiptideX1090, 09 août 2010 - 05:25 .

[cannedcream]

RiptideX1090 wrote...


That's okay.

That money Shepard one is going to the "Tal's Ornemantal Quarian Suit Decorations" fund.

Where do I send my check?

[MadCat221]

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...



Who's left to defend humanity in your version of the galaxy?

Shepard can't do it alone, forever.

If Shepard does everything right?

He won't have to.

Sometimes... all it takes is one man.

Look at Jesus. Or MLK. Or Ghandi. All great men, religious connotations aside, who promoted great things that have had a lasting effect on the world. Sure, there is some negative mixed in there, but there's a lot of good too. It's a start.

I don't have many heroes. Almost none. I have no respect for the majority of people I've met, known, or have heard about. There are exceptions. MLK is one. Without some of the work he did, and the support of those who followed him, I'd have been deprived my best friend through childhood. I'd have been deprived of the girl I asked to prom.

That's what Shepard can be. The person that starts the turnabout. So that one day, maybe quarians won't be looked at with so much mistrust, and that human working the salvage team might hire that quarian on pilgrimage, and maybe they'll be friends, as opposed to telling her humans don't want quarians working there.

There is always a better way. It may be rough, and it may not be easy, but in the end... it can be worth it, for someone out there. Don't you think that's something worthwhile? If not in your game, then in the real world?

I have no real problem with peace.  I support integration of foreign ideas and ideals.  But it would be naive to believe that a defense isn't necessary.   Great leaders, for example, are often helped along by the times they inhabit.  There is a reason it took India so long to break its colonial collar; because until the 1940s, Britain wanted to keep them.  Ghandi's timing was just lucky.  He gave a face to the movement (and if anyone saw tonight's Frankenhole on AS.... XD) at just the right time.

But we cannot stand idly as the machinations of others act to harm us.  We cannot believe that these machinations don't exist.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick".

--Teddy Roosevelt

You're forgetting the whole "speak softly" part there.  

Terra Firma appears to believe that only the big stick works.

The Alliance bloodied the Turian Armada's nose before the Alliance even really knew what was going on galactically.  Later, they cleaned the Batarians' clocks when the whole fiasco with them heated up (when the Batarians struck first and then went whining to the Council when they bit off more than they could chew).  The big stick is covered.

Modifié par MadCat221, 09 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...
I'm sticking to my explanation of her and the admiral having a quick conversation, ending with Tali saying "see you later[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]" and his cold heart was melted for just long enough to let her name slip in his list of complaints.

lol

Mikhailovich: I ought to shake my head at that drive core of yours

Tali: What's wrong with it?

Mikhailovich: It requi---oh, hello Tali'Zorah nar Rayya.

Tali:  You were saying?

Mikhailovich: I uhh....forgot. Umm...I should go.

Tali: See you later.

Mikhailovich: HNNGGG!

RiptideX1090 wrote...

abatista wrote...
Tali's cards are probably reflecting off of her visor too

That's okay.

That money Shepard one is going to the "Tal's Ornemantal Quarian Suit Decorations" fund.

Her helmet isn't that reflective. Light glares on it...that's about it.

[nitefyre410]

RedTracer7 wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Why do humanity's interests require a band of human racists to defend them in yours?

They are not racist.  Humanity requires a defense because the various alien species have, as seen, acted in their best interest first.  The turians, for example, have broken sentient races over the knee by utilizing brutal tactics in order to force submission.

That's not to say, however, that I expect such a drastic defense to be neccessary.  Earth must stand firm against alien influences, "politically, socially, and in the worst case, militarily".   We cannot forget Shanxi.

 


Your  right we did  protect ourselves from the monsters out there  will try take advantage of us but does that mean we become like those monsters  or worst to do so.   Earth can have its strong defense with out bigots that will do us more harm than good.   T.I.M has the right idea with Cerberus  but they keep recruiting complete and utter IDIOTS who can't follow  simple orders. 

T.I.M: I want to you explore  human biotic potential  

*6 months later 

T.I.M: I SAID EXPLORE  HUMAN BIOTIC POTENTIAL  NOT START A CHILD TORTURE HOUSE.  

a we see why T.I.M smokes so damn much  

[SpaceBuscuit]

MadCat221 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...



Who's left to defend humanity in your version of the galaxy?

Shepard can't do it alone, forever.

If Shepard does everything right?

He won't have to.

Sometimes... all it takes is one man.

Look at Jesus. Or MLK. Or Ghandi. All great men, religious connotations aside, who promoted great things that have had a lasting effect on the world. Sure, there is some negative mixed in there, but there's a lot of good too. It's a start.

I don't have many heroes. Almost none. I have no respect for the majority of people I've met, known, or have heard about. There are exceptions. MLK is one. Without some of the work he did, and the support of those who followed him, I'd have been deprived my best friend through childhood. I'd have been deprived of the girl I asked to prom.

That's what Shepard can be. The person that starts the turnabout. So that one day, maybe quarians won't be looked at with so much mistrust, and that human working the salvage team might hire that quarian on pilgrimage, and maybe they'll be friends, as opposed to telling her humans don't want quarians working there.

There is always a better way. It may be rough, and it may not be easy, but in the end... it can be worth it, for someone out there. Don't you think that's something worthwhile? If not in your game, then in the real world?

I have no real problem with peace.  I support integration of foreign ideas and ideals.  But it would be naive to believe that a defense isn't necessary.   Great leaders, for example, are often helped along by the times they inhabit.  There is a reason it took India so long to break its colonial collar; because until the 1940s, Britain wanted to keep them.  Ghandi's timing was just lucky.  He gave a face to the movement (and if anyone saw tonight's Frankenhole on AS.... XD) at just the right time.

But we cannot stand idly as the machinations of others act to harm us.  We cannot believe that these machinations don't exist.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick".

--Teddy Roosevelt

You're forgetting the whole "speak softly" part there.  

Terra Firma appears to believe that only the big stick works.

"Speak softly, but carry a big stick" was Winston Churchill, wasn't it?

[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

See, this is where we're miscommunicating.

I don't believe we shouldn't arm up.

I think we should build enough weapons to bomb the turians back to the stone age. It's what we did with Russia. It's what every soveriegn nation has always done.

However, that doesn't mean we can't also offer to use that build up to help the turians when they need it. Just because we pine for human rights, doesn't mean you have to surpress alien rights to do it. You don't need to be a rascist or support rascists to get your point across. You can do it, and do it honorably, in a manner that benefits everyone.

Terra Firma does not support this. They're all about humans first, as opposed to a strong humanity that can stand up not only for itself, but with and for the other races as well.

Ah.

I don't believe we know enough about Terra Firma, of their internal politics, to truly know where exactly they fall.

I am glad, at least, that you see the logic in the MAD theory.

Modifié par RedTracer7, 09 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[Phil725]

Gust4v wrote...

He likes Tali.
That's the only logical explanation.

Top:

Sh!t. I think I broke a nail.

Dem claws

[RiptideX1090]

nitefyre410 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Why do humanity's interests require a band of human racists to defend them in yours?

They are not racist.  Humanity requires a defense because the various alien species have, as seen, acted in their best interest first.  The turians, for example, have broken sentient races over the knee by utilizing brutal tactics in order to force submission.

That's not to say, however, that I expect such a drastic defense to be neccessary.  Earth must stand firm against alien influences, "politically, socially, and in the worst case, militarily".   We cannot forget Shanxi.

 


Your  right we did  protect ourselves from the monsters out there  will try take advantage of us but does that mean we become like those monsters  or worst to do so.   Earth can have its strong defense with out bigots that will do us more harm than good.   T.I.M has the right idea with Cerberus  but they keep recruiting complete and utter IDIOTS who can't follow  simple orders. 

T.I.M: I want to you explore  human biotic potential  

*6 months later 

T.I.M: I SAID EXPLORE  HUMAN BIOTIC POTENTIAL  NOT START A CHILD TORTURE HOUSE.  

a we see why T.I.M smokes so damn much  

TIM supported what happened to Jack. Even if he was ignorant, which I doubt, he wouln't have stopped it.

His methods in Retribution support this.

[nitefyre410]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...



Who's left to defend humanity in your version of the galaxy?

Shepard can't do it alone, forever.

If Shepard does everything right?

He won't have to.

Sometimes... all it takes is one man.

Look at Jesus. Or MLK. Or Ghandi. All great men, religious connotations aside, who promoted great things that have had a lasting effect on the world. Sure, there is some negative mixed in there, but there's a lot of good too. It's a start.

I don't have many heroes. Almost none. I have no respect for the majority of people I've met, known, or have heard about. There are exceptions. MLK is one. Without some of the work he did, and the support of those who followed him, I'd have been deprived my best friend through childhood. I'd have been deprived of the girl I asked to prom.

That's what Shepard can be. The person that starts the turnabout. So that one day, maybe quarians won't be looked at with so much mistrust, and that human working the salvage team might hire that quarian on pilgrimage, and maybe they'll be friends, as opposed to telling her humans don't want quarians working there.

There is always a better way. It may be rough, and it may not be easy, but in the end... it can be worth it, for someone out there. Don't you think that's something worthwhile? If not in your game, then in the real world?

I have no real problem with peace.  I support integration of foreign ideas and ideals.  But it would be naive to believe that a defense isn't necessary.   Great leaders, for example, are often helped along by the times they inhabit.  There is a reason it took India so long to break its colonial collar; because until the 1940s, Britain wanted to keep them.  Ghandi's timing was just lucky.  He gave a face to the movement (and if anyone saw tonight's Frankenhole on AS.... XD) at just the right time.

But we cannot stand idly as the machinations of others act to harm us.  We cannot believe that these machinations don't exist.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick".

--Teddy Roosevelt

You're forgetting the whole "speak softly" part there.  

Terra Firma appears to believe that only the big stick works.

"Speak softly, but carry a big stick" was Winston Churchill, wasn't it?

  

No  it was Teddy  Roosevelt 

[Goat_Shepard]

Someone say claws?

[SpaceBuscuit]

Phil725 wrote...

Gust4v wrote...

He likes Tali.
That's the only logical explanation.

Top:

Sh!t. I think I broke a nail.

Dem claws

Kasumi has almost the same body shape as Tali, but for the limbs and digits, yet Tali is inifinitely sexier. I guess some of us were just meant to love aliens

[abatista]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
Dem claws

are likely fingers....

either way, they are sexy

[MadCat221]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...


"Speak softly and carry a big stick".

--Teddy Roosevelt

You're forgetting the whole "speak softly" part there.  

Terra Firma appears to believe that only the big stick works.

"Speak softly, but carry a big stick" was Winston Churchill, wasn't it?

Nope.  Teddy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology

[Goat_Shepard]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
Dem claws

are likely fingers....

What's your problem man why are you such a downer? I think you need to live a little.

[Lividity Jones]

Blah blah blah politics blah blah blah conservative racism blah blah blah something about Churchill.

Needs more Tali.

[cannedcream]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
Dem claws

are likely fingers....

I'm good either way.

[RedTracer7]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

Kasumi has almost the same body shape as Tali, but for the limbs and digits, yet Tali is inifinitely sexier. I guess some of us were just meant to love aliens

I've always wondered what Tali thought of Kasumi, of her clothing choices.  Kasumi chooses to wear a suit... snug in all the right place.  Kasumi chooses to wear a hood....  Kasumi is technically proficient...

Kasumi's an honorary Quarian! :happy:

[RiptideX1090]

RedTracer7 wrote...


Ah.

I don't believe we know enough about Terra Firma, of their internal politics, to truly know where exactly they fall.

I am glad, at least, that you see the logic in the MAD theory.

I'm not stupid.

Yes, you have to carry a big stick while walking softly, but you don't have to go beating everyone over the head with it. Any moron can teach a child to shoot a weapon. Only the responsible teach them WHY to shoot the weapon. Working towards that is my point. Teaching. Learning. Growth. Learning to trust the man at your side, human or turian, for the person they are. Sure, your governements might be at odds from time to time, but when both your team and theirs liberate that colony from slavers, it's worth that your people were able to work together to do something great. That's what I'm promoting. A world where the good guys are strong, and working together. Not where one dominates the other when they could instead be working in tandem.