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[NuclearBuddha]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
@ Collider - Religious? Perhaps. She says Keelah a lot..

I say "God" a lot and I'm not as religious as I could be.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 09 août 2010 - 06:25 .

[Collider]

phonypapercut wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wonder if Tali is religious.

^This is me pressing the get on topic button.

Should be left ambiguous IMO. Religious people will want her to be, non-religious ones will not.

I disagree. If she is religious, it should be expressed in game.

[cannedcream]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...


@ Collider - Religious? Perhaps. She says Keelah a lot..

That's not really conclusive evidence one way or another. Atheists still say 'oh my god'.
It's just an expression.

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

I wonder if Tali is religious.

^This is me pressing the get on topic button.

If she is, she hasn't shown it.

We still aren't fully aware of how religious quarians are as a whole or how often their theoretical beliefs would intersect with their daily lives.

[Azint]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
@ Collider - Religious? Perhaps. She says Keelah a lot..

I say "God" a lot and I'm not as religious as I could be.

This.

[Su37]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I say "God" a lot and I'm not as religious as I could be.

Same.

[Collider]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wonder if Tali is religious.

^This is me pressing the get on topic button.

If she is, she hasn't shown it.

We still aren't fully aware of how religious quarians are as a whole or how often their theoretical beliefs would intersect with their daily lives.

We do have an inkling. More so than some other races.

[abatista]

If only we knew what "keelah" meant...

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

phonypapercut wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wonder if Tali is religious.

^This is me pressing the get on topic button.

Should be left ambiguous IMO. Religious people will want her to be, non-religious ones will not.

I disagree. If she is religious, it should be expressed in game.

Just a note, even if she is religious, it likely wouldn't be that similar to anything that we see in people like Ashley, nor would it be anything that comparable to Earth religions.  The quarians saying a prayer before the hearing acknowledging their ancestors could be a form of their religion.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

phonypapercut wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wonder if Tali is religious.

^This is me pressing the get on topic button.

Should be left ambiguous IMO. Religious people will want her to be, non-religious ones will not.

I disagree. If she is religious, it should be expressed in game.

Just a note, even if she is religious, it likely wouldn't be that similar to anything that we see in people like Ashley, nor would it be anything that comparable to Earth religions.  The quarians saying a prayer before the hearing acknowledging their ancestors could be a form of their religion.

I was turned off by what Ashley said.

[RedTracer7]

-_Brokeafsad

Modifié par RedTracer7, 09 août 2010 - 06:28 .

[SpaceBuscuit]

SU37 wrote...

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

If she ever said "Buscuit", I might start to believe in God.

Huh. I always thought your name said "SpaceBiscuit."
Another one of my failures.

Yup, it's an alternative spelling. Which would make it all the more special if Tali ever spoke it.

Of course, she could always address me as Spa'Ce vas Buscuit.

[cannedcream]

Just_mike wrote...

I think I heard it somewhere or read it somewhere that the bulk of the Quarians believe in their ancestors, and how theyd preserve people who have died on holograms with AI's that simulate those Quarians' personalities.

Yeah, I believe that's what they were working on just before the Geth uprising.

Some believe that the uprising was a punishment from the elders because of it, if I'm remembering right.

[Homebound]

It doesnt matter if Tali is religious or not. Its a minor trait either ways. Being either and letting it be a major characteristic of hers would be silly.

[Collider]

RedTracer7 wrote...
Reposting to divert off-topic-ness...

TOO LATE

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wonder if Tali is religious.

^This is me pressing the get on topic button.

If she is, she hasn't shown it.

We still aren't fully aware of how religious quarians are as a whole or how often their theoretical beliefs would intersect with their daily lives.

We do have an inkling. More so than some other races.

An "inkling" is hardly conclusive.

What rituals do they have? What's involved in said rituals? Do they only revere their own ancestors? Do they even have sufficient records from after the Morning War to even track geneologies?

[InvaderErl]

abatista wrote...

If only we knew what "keelah" meant...

Even if it were religious it doesn't mean anything.

I'm an atheist and I use religious terms in my daily speak all the time.

[RedTracer7]

There we go....

Reposting to combat off-topic-ness.....

RedTracer7 wrote...

We always talk about 'Dem Hips' and 'Dat Gap'... but what does Tali think of Shepard?
------------------------------
 *Tali and Kasumi stand together, looking over a sleeping Shepard.  An impromptu celebration following their return from the Omega 4 relay hit the Commander hard.  Agreeing to a drink contest with Grunt, Garrus, and Jack probably didn't help.*

Tali:  Thanks for helping me carry him in.  

Kasumi:  My pleasure.  Shep's really not that heavy, really.  All wiry muscle.

Tali:  Mmhm

*A quiet moment passes between the two, as Shepard shifts position  in his sleep*

Kasumi: Can I ask you a question?

Tali: Sure.

Kasumi:  I... understand that Shepard is a handsome man.  But, with you being... quarian.... what do you see in him?  What do you like about him?

Tali: *Silent for a second*  His personality.  The way he talks to me.  And... physically.....

Kasumi: *Nudges Tali's Arm*  Go on....

Tali:  Them fingers.  All five... slender, yet strong.   Them legs.... so straight, with that slight bend beneath the knee....  That waist.... much stronger than any quarian....

Kasumi:  

Tali:  Dat.... everything....

[Homebound]

cannedcream wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

I think I heard it somewhere or read it somewhere that the bulk of the Quarians believe in their ancestors, and how theyd preserve people who have died on holograms with AI's that simulate those Quarians' personalities.

Yeah, I believe that's what they were working on just before the Geth uprising.

Some believe that the uprising was a punishment from the elders because of it, if I'm remembering right.

Ya thats the one!

[Collider]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wonder if Tali is religious.

^This is me pressing the get on topic button.

If she is, she hasn't shown it.

We still aren't fully aware of how religious quarians are as a whole or how often their theoretical beliefs would intersect with their daily lives.

We do have an inkling. More so than some other races.

An "inkling" is hardly conclusive.

What rituals do they have? What's involved in said rituals? Do they only revere their own ancestors? Do they even have sufficient records from after the Morning War to even track geneologies?

The ancient quarians practiced ancestor worship. Even after abandoning faith for secularism,
quarians continued to revere the wisdom of elders. As time passed and
technology advanced, they inevitably turned their knowledge to
preserving the personalities and memories of the elderly as computer virtual intelligences. These recordings became a repository of knowledge and wisdom, stored in a central databank and available through any extranet connection.
They held no illusions that this was like a form of immortality;
like all virtual intelligences, their electronically-preserved ancestors
were not truly sapient. This was considered a surmountable problem;
sapience could surely be reduced to simple mathematics.
The quarians began exhaustive research into creating artificial
intelligence so they could learn to escape the bounds of mortality and
give their ancestral records true awareness. Unfortunately, the life the
quarians created did not accept the same truths they did. The geth
destroyed the ancestor databanks when they took over.
In the centuries since they evacuated their homeworld, most
quarians have returned to religion in various forms. Many believe the
rise of the geth
and the destruction of their 'ancestors' were chastisement for
arrogantly forsaking the old ways and venerating self-made idols.
Others have a more philosophical outlook, believing their race
was indeed arrogant, but no supernatural agency lay behind the geth
revolt. Rather, the quarians' actions wrought their own doom. Either
way, every quarian would agree that their own hubris cost them their
homeworld.

[nitefyre410]

abatista wrote...

If only we knew what "keelah" meant...

 


The quarians used to practice a form of ancestor worship. This involved taking a personality imprint from the individual and developing it into an interface similar to a VI. The quarians began experimenting with making these imprints more and more sophisticated, hopefully leading to the wisdom of their ancestors being preserved in an imprint that could be truly intelligent. However, the geth destroyed the quarians' ancestor databanks when they rebelled. Some quarians saw their subsequent exile as punishment for their hubris, but most accept that the geth rebellion was a mistake, not a punishment.However, respect for their ancestors is still prevalent in quarian society. Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay opens an Admiralty Board proceeding offering thanks to their ancestors, who saved them from the geth by founding the Migrant Fleet.Tali sometimes exclaims "Keelah!" when shocked; in Mass Effect 2 many quarians offer the phrase "Keelah se'lai" as an apparent benediction or religious oath. This word may refer to a figure in quarian religion, or it may be part of their reverence toward their ancestors. It is often said in the same vein as "peace be with you" and resembles the Islamic الله أكبر (transliteration: Allāhu Akbar, English: 'God is Greatest'), or the Christian deus vult (Latin for 'God Wills It').  

As the Mass Effect Wiki see its

[NuclearBuddha]

Phil725 wrote...
Just a note, even if she is religious, it likely wouldn't be that similar to anything that we see in people like Ashley, nor would it be anything that comparable to Earth religions.  The quarians saying a prayer before the hearing acknowledging their ancestors could be a form of their religion.

A lot of things start off with a religious formality.  It doesn't indicate worship.

[Homebound]

RedTracer7 wrote...

There we go....

Reposting to combat off-topic-ness.....

RedTracer7 wrote...

We always talk about 'Dem Hips' and 'Dat Gap'... but what does Tali think of Shepard?
------------------------------
 *Tali and Kasumi stand together, looking over a sleeping Shepard.  An impromptu celebration following their return from the Omega 4 relay hit the Commander hard.  Agreeing to a drink contest with Grunt, Garrus, and Jack probably didn't help.*

Tali:  Thanks for helping me carry him in.  

Kasumi:  My pleasure.  Shep's really not that heavy, really.  All wiry muscle.

Tali:  Mmhm

*A quiet moment passes between the two, as Shepard shifts position  in his sleep*

Kasumi: Can I ask you a question?

Tali: Sure.

Kasumi:  I... understand that Shepard is a handsome man.  But, with you being... quarian.... what do you see in him?  What do you like about him?

Tali: *Silent for a second*  His personality.  The way he talks to me.  And... physically.....

Kasumi: *Nudges Tali's Arm*  Go on....

Tali:  Them fingers.  All five... slender, yet strong.   Them legs.... so straight, with that slight bend beneath the knee....  That waist.... much stronger than any quarian....

Kasumi:  

Tali:  Dat.... everything....

Im not sure about everything else, but I think Tali would be "intrigued" with having a "partner" that has 5 fingers, instead of the Quarian standard of 3.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

Just a note, even if she is religious, it likely wouldn't be that similar to anything that we see in people like Ashley, nor would it be anything that comparable to Earth religions.  The quarians saying a prayer before the hearing acknowledging their ancestors could be a form of their religion.

I was turned off by what Ashley said.

I thought it was one of the more interesting character traits given to Ashley, regardless of my thoughts on the subject.  Her story of her sister punching her boyfriend wasn't doing anything to make her more interesting one way or the other.