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[JeanLuc761]

mrsph wrote...

The best part is how whenever someone complains about Tali being "fan-service" they ignore Garrus and Miranda =/

I fail to see how Miranda is fan-service in any shape or form, but then again I don't see why people would complain about Tali and Garrus's fan service.  It doesn't hurt the game, and it's executed INCREDIBLY well.

[Purification-]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

LostJ wrote...

I don't see how it is possible to dislike Tali. I mean, not loving her is perfectly normal.. but disliking?

There are also those who feel that romance with Tali is either pedophilia, or bestiality.

A percentage of humans have this thing called "stupidity", that dissables them from such things as "logic" or "reason".

Ah, Stupidity.... Also called Mindlessly.

[RiptideX1090]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

LostJ wrote...

I don't see how it is possible to dislike Tali. I mean, not loving her is perfectly normal.. but disliking?

There are also those who feel that romance with Tali is either pedophilia, or bestiality.

A percentage of humans have this thing called "stupidity", that dissables them from such things as "logic" or "reason".

Not agreeing with the Tali-haters, but there IS something called "different opinions"

This also this other thing called "morons",

You can be of the opinion that the sky is red at noon. But then you look up and see it's blue. Anyone who is not colorblind who still says it's red, is an idiot, regardless of their "opinion".

[cannedcream]

The Artist Formally Know As Prince has declared the Internet to be dead.

So. . . I guess we all have to leave now. Been nice knowing you all.



. . . Ah, to hell with it. He's not my king. I didn't vote for him.



So, Tali?

[JeanLuc761]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
This also this other thing called "morons",

You can be of the opinion that the sky is red at noon. But then you look up and see it's blue. Anyone who is not colorblind who still says it's red, is an idiot, regardless of their "opinion".

Well see, you're arguing with well-established scientific fact. 

Saying that anyone who dislikes Tali is a moron is simply narrow-minded. 

[Andaius20]

Greetings folks, checking in for the night. How's it going so far? Discussions? Art? Fics?

[xlavaina]

Lets not lower our standards people... remember, they are entitled to their opinions, lets just leave it at that and not hate on the tali haters...

[RiptideX1090]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
This also this other thing called "morons",

You can be of the opinion that the sky is red at noon. But then you look up and see it's blue. Anyone who is not colorblind who still says it's red, is an idiot, regardless of their "opinion".

Well see, you're arguing with well-established scientific fact. 

Saying that anyone who dislikes Tali is a moron is simply narrow-minded. 

Not at all. I hate Miranda and Jacob. I respect that some people love them. That is their opinion.

However, I am of the opinion, that anyone who hates Tali because they don't like her fans, or who think romancing her is pedophilia or bestiality, are complete and utter morons.

[cannedcream]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

LostJ wrote...

I don't see how it is possible to dislike Tali. I mean, not loving her is perfectly normal.. but disliking?

There are also those who feel that romance with Tali is either pedophilia, or bestiality.

A percentage of humans have this thing called "stupidity", that dissables them from such things as "logic" or "reason".

Not agreeing with the Tali-haters, but there IS something called "different opinions"

Yeah, there's having a different opinion and then there's saying that going after the LI you like is kin to bestiality.

Kinda not the same.

[JeanLuc761]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
This also this other thing called "morons",

You can be of the opinion that the sky is red at noon. But then you look up and see it's blue. Anyone who is not colorblind who still says it's red, is an idiot, regardless of their "opinion".

Well see, you're arguing with well-established scientific fact. 

Saying that anyone who dislikes Tali is a moron is simply narrow-minded. 

Not at all. I hate Miranda and Jacob. I respect that some people love them. That is their opinion.

However, I am of the opinion, that anyone who hates Tali because they don't like her fans, or who think romancing her is pedophilia or bestiality, are complete and utter morons.

Oh.  The way it was coming across was that you were insulting anyone who didn't like Tali in general. 

[RiptideX1090]

xlavaina wrote...

Lets not lower our standards people... remember, they are entitled to their opinions, lets just leave it at that and not hate on the tali haters...

I don't hate the Tali haters.

Doesn't mean I hold them in high regard.

At any rate, you're right. This is hardly constructive. Apologies.

Topic?

[cannedcream]

RiptideX1090 wrote...


Not at all. I hate Miranda and Jacob. I respect that some people love them. That is their opinion.

However, I am of the opinion, that anyone who hates Tali because they don't like her fans, or who think romancing her is pedophilia or bestiality, are complete and utter morons.

Indeed.
There's having a different opinion (which is fine, it makes the world go round) and then there's just being crude.

[RiptideX1090]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
This also this other thing called "morons",

You can be of the opinion that the sky is red at noon. But then you look up and see it's blue. Anyone who is not colorblind who still says it's red, is an idiot, regardless of their "opinion".

Well see, you're arguing with well-established scientific fact. 

Saying that anyone who dislikes Tali is a moron is simply narrow-minded. 

Not at all. I hate Miranda and Jacob. I respect that some people love them. That is their opinion.

However, I am of the opinion, that anyone who hates Tali because they don't like her fans, or who think romancing her is pedophilia or bestiality, are complete and utter morons.

Oh.  The way it was coming across was that you were insulting anyone who didn't like Tali in general. 

Perspective is great. I love perspective. Everyone has different opinions. Everyone reaches different judgements. Knowing these, learning these, can make you stronger, it can give you experiences and knowledge you couldn't obtain otherwise. All viewpoints should be considered, and further conclusions can be drawn.

However, people who add nothing more than useless drivel backed with no other logical reasoning than because they hate an associated person or their beliefs, are hardly constructive. This is why I find it irritating.

[LostJ]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

LostJ wrote...

I don't see how it is possible to dislike Tali. I mean, not loving her is perfectly normal.. but disliking?

There are also those who feel that romance with Tali is either pedophilia, or bestiality.

A percentage of humans have this thing called "stupidity", that dissables them from such things as "logic" or "reason".

I'm starting to like you.

Btw, I just saw that video of Kasumi talking about Tali. That's D'awww worthy.

I'm off for tonight. Keelah'Selai.

[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

There are also those who feel that romance with Tali is either pedophilia, or bestiality.

A percentage of humans have this thing called "stupidity", that dissables them from such things as "logic" or "reason".

I still fancy that a Tali-Shepard relationship is still technically classified as 'bestiality'.  This is not to say that such a label would be true in any sense of the word, I just like to think that the Systems Alliance could fail that horribly at updating their laws.

Galactic Representative One:  The next item on the agenda is Legislative Cooperative 13.002, on Trans-Species Relations.  I think we should act on this immediat-

Galactic Representative Two: *Interrupts* OBJECTION!

Galactic Representative One: Erm.. what?  This isn't a courtroom.  You can't ju-

Galactic Representative Two: *Interrupts* I move to halt this discussion for a lunch recess, and to table this subject indefinatly.

Galactic Representative One: What?  Don't you know how many couples want to legalize their relationships?  How many-

Galactic Representative Two:  *Interrupts*  It is Roast Beef day in the Senate's Cafeteria today!  We don't have time for this

Galactic Representative Three:  *Wakes Up From His Nap*  Hm?!  Did someone say Roast Beef?  I second it!  I second the motion!

Galactic Representative Two:  Then the motion is carried.  The Systems Alliance Senate shall break for recess.

Galactic Representative One: 

[cannedcream]

mrsph wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Well, some squadmates should end up liking each other as opposed to only talking to Shepard all the time.

I know. My major gripe with Mass Effect 2 is the character's rarely acknowledge each other's presence.

It does make the times that they do talk to each other kinda cool.

I can understand why there's limited specific character cross dialog as the time and price it would take to record all of that (more so considering the large cast) would probably not really be worth it as most players will only see a percentage of it.

[RiptideX1090]

LostJ wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

LostJ wrote...

I don't see how it is possible to dislike Tali. I mean, not loving her is perfectly normal.. but disliking?

There are also those who feel that romance with Tali is either pedophilia, or bestiality.

A percentage of humans have this thing called "stupidity", that dissables them from such things as "logic" or "reason".

I'm starting to like you.

Btw, I just saw that video of Kasumi talking about Tali. That's D'awww worthy.

I'm off for tonight. Keelah'Selai.

Kasumi is awesome. The fact that she likes Tali only makes her MORE awesome.

[cannedcream]

RedTracer7 wrote...


I still fancy that a Tali-Shepard relationship is still technically classified as 'bestiality'.  This is not to say that such a label would be true in any sense of the word, I just like to think that the Systems Alliance could fail that horribly at updating their laws.

Galactic Representative One:  The next item on the agenda is Legislative Cooperative 13.002, on Trans-Species Relations.  I think we should act on this immediat-

Galactic Representative Two: *Interrupts* OBJECTION!

Galactic Representative One: Erm.. what?  This isn't a courtroom.  You can't ju-

Galactic Representative Two: *Interrupts* I move to halt this discussion for a lunch recess, and to table this subject indefinatly.

Galactic Representative One: What?  Don't you know how many couples want to legalize their relationships?  How many-

Galactic Representative Two:  *Interrupts*  It is Roast Beef day in the Senate's Cafeteria today!  We don't have time for this

Galactic Representative Three:  *Wakes Up From His Nap*  Hm?!  Did someone say Roast Beef?  I second it!  I second the motion!

Galactic Representative Two:  Then the motion is carried.  The Systems Alliance Senate shall break for recess.

Galactic Representative One: 

Ah, government! I see it hasn't changed a bit after all those years.

*puts gun in mouth*

[RiptideX1090]

RedTracer7 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

There are also those who feel that romance with Tali is either pedophilia, or bestiality.

A percentage of humans have this thing called "stupidity", that dissables them from such things as "logic" or "reason".

I still fancy that a Tali-Shepard relationship is still technically classified as 'bestiality'.  This is not to say that such a label would be true in any sense of the word, I just like to think that the Systems Alliance could fail that horribly at updating their laws.

Galactic Representative One:  The next item on the agenda is Legislative Cooperative 13.002, on Trans-Species Relations.  I think we should act on this immediat-

Galactic Representative Two: *Interrupts* OBJECTION!

Galactic Representative One: Erm.. what?  This isn't a courtroom.  You can't ju-

Galactic Representative Two: *Interrupts* I move to halt this discussion for a lunch recess, and to table this subject indefinatly.

Galactic Representative One: What?  Don't you know how many couples want to legalize their relationships?  How many-

Galactic Representative Two:  *Interrupts*  It is Roast Beef day in the Senate's Cafeteria today!  We don't have time for this

Galactic Representative Three:  *Wakes Up From His Nap*  Hm?!  Did someone say Roast Beef?  I second it!  I second the motion!

Galactic Representative Two:  Then the motion is carried.  The Systems Alliance Senate shall break for recess.

Galactic Representative One: 

*facedesk*

I doubt this is actually a problem. The Alliance would likely adopt certain Council initiatives when gaining an embassy, such as a "Bill of Rights". I'm sure this would have provisions for interspecies relationships, similar to how they had to accept the Treaty of Farixan. Revelations also says Earth Religion had to adapt quickly to aliens. I'm assuming this means that not only can you obtain a state marriage liscence, but also a religious certificate as well.

[MadCat221]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

How in the hell is Garrus fanservice?

Well apparently Garrus's voice is unintentional Audio Erotica, according to TV Tropes.

Being of an incompatible sexual orientation, I don't see it as such.  But I can see how it would.

[Andaius20]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

LostJ wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

LostJ wrote...

I don't see how it is possible to dislike Tali. I mean, not loving her is perfectly normal.. but disliking?

There are also those who feel that romance with Tali is either pedophilia, or bestiality.

A percentage of humans have this thing called "stupidity", that dissables them from such things as "logic" or "reason".

I'm starting to like you.

Btw, I just saw that video of Kasumi talking about Tali. That's D'awww worthy.

I'm off for tonight. Keelah'Selai.

Kasumi is awesome. The fact that she likes Tali only makes her MORE awesome.

Agrees

[cannedcream]

MadCat221 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

How in the hell is Garrus fanservice?

Well apparently Garrus's voice is unintentional Audio Erotica, according to TV Tropes.

Being of an incompatible sexual orientation, I don't see it as such.  But I can see how it would.

Wait, there's no filter for Garrus's voice? That's just how the guy sounds?!
Damn, I must become friends with Brandon Keener. 

[Bugsie]

Hi just wandering over from the Garrus thread, Hello new thread!

I wanted to ask you guys (and its probably been discussed before but sheesh 10k of pages...) so I hope you don't mind me asking again. In your eyes is Tali the classic damsel in distress or is she the self assured woman on a mission? I'm writing my first ff with Tali as the LI and was interested in how she's percieved by the majority of fans.

[RedTracer7]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

*facedesk*

I doubt this is actually a problem. The Alliance would likely adopt certain Council initiatives when gaining an embassy, such as a "Bill of Rights". I'm sure this would have provisions for interspecies relationships, similar to how they had to accept the Treaty of Farixan. Revelations also says Earth Religion had to adapt quickly to aliens. I'm assuming this means that not only can you obtain a state marriage liscence, but also a religious certificate as well.

Your "Galactic Bill of Rights" idea makes a great deal of sense.  It got me to wondering how bad the debate was on Earth as to if it should be accepted.  On one side, you have the Pro-Human Alliance that wouldn't want to subjegate human desires to the Laws of other races.  Included in this group would be your "inter-species relationships are squicky/immoral/etc people.  On the other hand, you would have your 'Cooperation is Key Coalition', which would see the great benefits offered by the Council Races.

[cannedcream]

Andaius20 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Kasumi is awesome. The fact that she likes Tali only makes her MORE awesome.

Agrees

You know, I was VERY worried about Kasumi when she was first introduced. Looking at pictures and her bio, I was thinking she was going to be some gloomy, rough-edged, boring character that wouldn't fit in with the rest of the cast.
Oh ye me of little faith.
While not my favorite ME character ever, I have to admit that I was surprised at how quickly I grew to like her.
So good job BioWare.