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[chapa3]

Sidonis was a traitor who sold his entire squad out to die. Paragon desicion would have been bringing him to the justice of a business end of a rifle.

[Intax]

I saved Sidonis on one playthough. All others he dies. Its just silly to let him live, if any one of my 'squad' did the same thing to me that Sidonis did to Garrus I would hunt them down too. It wouldn't be quick and painless like a shot to the head though.

[Tooneyman]

I saved sidonis, because he maybe valuable in the next game. I always think ahead of time when it comes to sequels, but will see he just might make an up for what he did to garrus later in ME 3, but we will see.

[angj57]

Nightwriter wrote...

Omg, Shand thinks the paragon option is stupid?

Lol. I almost always disagree with him, but I think he has a point here.

[Mr.Caine]

He makes a point, but then again their a lot of missions in Mass Effect like that. I always let Garrus kill him because, it makes him happy and loyal.

chapa3 wrote...

Sidonis was a traitor who sold his entire squad out to die. Paragon desicion would have been bringing him to the justice of a business end of a rifle.

Good thing you didnt design the game.

[archurban]

next time when I will play again, try to change squad mates' loyalty mission. zaeed,

garrus, legion, thane, samara..... intentionally not to gain loyalty. then all will die at the end. nowadays I am kind of tired to play mass effect 2. it is time to stop itfor a while until new stuff is coming.

[Tooneyman]

archurban wrote...

next time when I will play again, try to change squad mates' loyalty mission. zaeed,
garrus, legion, thane, samara..... intentionally not to gain loyalty. then all will die at the end. nowadays I am kind of tired to play mass effect 2. it is time to stop itfor a while until new stuff is coming.

Its always good to go back to after a couple of months this way your not burnt out.

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

The object of this mission was to confront Sidonis, and to confront Garrus's issues.

No, the mission was to kill Sidonis. Garrus told you this up front.

Whatever you thought, or Garrus thought, the object of the mission was to confront Sidonis. To find him.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

These mercs were obstacles in the way of that confrontation.

Irrelevant.

?

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

You kill those mercs because they work for Harkin, who is corrupt and employing the use of corrupt Blue Suns, and they will kill you on Harkin's orders.

Retreat then and call C-Sec. They all deserve the chance to surrender to the authorities and have a fair trial.

There is no option to do that.

A paragon can only be so good as the game allows her to be, Shand.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

You do this to bring Garrus face-to-face with Sidonis, because nothing will satisfy him short of actually finding the man who betrayed his team. Letting Sidonis run is not enough. Contacting C-Sec and telling them where he is is not enough.

Sometimes, it is only when the power to destroy the one who wronged you is before you that you are able to forgive him, or at least to begin to.

Meta-gaming. The game doesn't give you the option to try and convince Garrus otherwise. All it lets you do is either agree to take him to the Citadel or tell him you don't have time for it. Were this a pen&paper RPG you'd have the freedom to tell him upfront that this is wrong.

He's not on Omega, the Citadel has laws.

How is that meta-gaming?

I know I need to complete this quest to get Garrus focused and put his demons to rest. I know I have influenced Garrus toward the path of good in the past. I take him on this mission to see how this story plays out, and to see if I can change him. This plays out exactly like it would in real life.

I really don't know what you mean.

[Whatever42]

angj57 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Omg, Shand thinks the paragon option is stupid?

Lol. I almost always disagree with him, but I think he has a point here.

On my paragon playthrough I wondered why Shepard kept killing so many people. I mean, did you really need to slaughter scores of mercenaries during Thane's quest, just to talk with him? He really didn't need your help. To recruit Samara you wade through an ocean of eclipse blood just to get the name of one ship to track down one criminal.

But then I remind myself of 2 things:

1) All the mercenaries in this game are portrayed as cold-blooded killers
2) All Shepard really does is walk into the room and they all try to kill him. At that point, its self defense.

You'd think these guys would talk, though. After Omega, I sure the hell wouldn't take a shot at Shepard. On Illium, when that asari and solarian are talking about joining eclipse, I really want to tell them to wait until I'm done all my loyalty missions.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 29 juillet 2010 - 02:08 .

[mcsupersport]

My Shepard's are all Specters so they are the law enforcement when C-sec can't get the job done. Fade has been causing issues with his ids so finding him IS my job, plus cleaning out all the mercs help save C-sec officer lives, because they aren't as good as I am. I have all but once saved Sidonis, because I wanted to see what he was like and look into his face to see if Garrus was right or wrong. I also felt it would hurt Garrus more if he killed Sid.

[Spartas Husky]

Saved him.



1. First and fore most, there is no harm if once ina while you give in to lower instincts of self satisfaction while inflicting grave pain on those who deserve it.

Exp: the blue suns pansy "bleeding" out, and you just tell him to run before he bleeds out.



Garrus has been following lower instincts for too long, mostly because of Omega. So for his sake, gota bring some of the heart back.



2. There is no greater punishment than to remember the glory days while living in misery.



Old quote from the medieval ages. Meaning, each criminal has its own unique punishment. Those that are good and make a grave mistake, living with regret is the greatest possible punishment, jail or death is easier for em.



Now for others, depriving their wealth, death or others.



Sidonis was a "good" person once, he sold his friends out of cowardice, and he is guilt ridden, he is already suffering as he should for what he did, killing him wont be any good to Garrus.

[Nightwriter]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

On my paragon playthrough I wondered why Shepard kept killing so many people. I mean, did you really need to slaughter scores of mercenaries during Thane's quest, just to talk with him? He really didn't need your help. To recruit Samara you wade through an ocean of eclipse blood just to get the name of one ship to track down one criminal.

But then I remind myself of 2 things:

1) All the mercenaries in this game are portrayed as cold-blooded killers
2) All Shepard really does is walk into the room and they all try to kill him. At that point, its self defense.

You'd think these guys would talk, though. After Omega, I sure the hell wouldn't take a shot at Shepard. On Illium, when that asari and solarian are talking about joining eclipse, I really want to tell them to wait until I'm done all my loyalty missions.

We're reading too much into the mercs. In every mission where you're given a goal, the game must give you obstacles to get past in order to reach it. Sometimes it's husks, sometimes it's mercs.

Sadly, sometimes these mercs are people, and sometimes they aren't. If you catch my meaning.

[chapa3]

"Good thing you didnt design the game."

Theres a difference between paragon and pacifist. Sidonis sold out his squad, essentially his family. A soldier's most important people are his/hers squadmates, people that would jump on top of a grenade to save another squadmate's lives. Regardless, bioware will hopefully allow paragon actions to have the same reproccussions as renegade actions.

"Sidonis was a "good" person once, he sold his friends out of cowardice, and he is guilt ridden, he is already suffering as he should for what he did, killing him wont be any good to Garrus."

Garrus is who he is. He was shaped by the events around him and became instilled with a vigilante personality. If you wish to spare Sidonis for Sidonis, that is a different story, but sparing Sidonis for Garrus is irrelevent.

Modifié par chapa3, 29 juillet 2010 - 02:34 .

[Titanium Man]

Shandepared wrote...

We need somebody to write a gritty but up-lifting comic about two siblings, a boy and a girl. The girl is kidnapped by slavers and to find his sister the boy joins the Blue Suns. Eventually he finds her in a Blue Suns base and makes a plan to save her and the other slaves. On the way to enact it-

"SCOPED AND DROPPED!"

Welp, that settles it.  I'm gonna have to crush your mind.

[thegreateski]

I saved him with a bullet.

[Cypher0020]

always save him... I worked too hard to make Garrus all paragon-y like to see him go back to his renegede self..

[ElectricZ]

Intax wrote...

I saved Sidonis on one playthough. All others he dies. Its just silly to let him live, if any one of my 'squad' did the same thing to me that Sidonis did to Garrus I would hunt them down too. It wouldn't be quick and painless like a shot to the head though.

My sentiments exactly, and for the same reason. Put yourself in Garrus' place. You leave the Normandy on a mission. You come back and Tali, Garrus, Mordin, Samara, Grunt, Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Zaeed, Legion, Kasumi and and Thane are all bullet-ridden corpses lying in the mess when you get back. All of them are dead, and nothing is going to bring them back. One of the crew is responsible, someone you trusted, and they got away.

Are you going to let that person go? Regardless of who it is, or why they did it? Would Anderson be able to talk you out of it, or Kaiden, Wrex, Ash or Liara? Would anyone be able to? Would you rest until they were avenged?

I said it in another thread and I say it again... In this case, Garrus wasn't following me on my mission, I was following him on his. If he wanted Sidonis dead for his betrayal, I wasn't going to question him after everything I'd asked him to do on faith alone.

Modifié par ElectricZ, 29 juillet 2010 - 02:55 .

[Merlin 47]

Nightwriter wrote...

I saved him. But I don't really see it as saving him. I see it as saving Garrus.

This without hesitation.

[nikki191]

the paragon option is to kill a pile of other people first and then let him live... anyone else think shepard has a very skewed view of cannon fodder mercs?

[kglaser]

ElectricZ wrote...

Intax wrote...

I saved Sidonis on one playthough. All others he dies. Its just silly to let him live, if any one of my 'squad' did the same thing to me that Sidonis did to Garrus I would hunt them down too. It wouldn't be quick and painless like a shot to the head though.

My sentiments exactly, and for the same reason. Put yourself in Garrus' place. You leave the Normandy on a mission. You come back and Tali, Garrus, Mordin, Samara, Grunt, Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Zaeed, Legion, Kasumi and and Thane are all bullet-ridden corpses lying in the mess when you get back. All of them are dead, and nothing is going to bring them back. One of the crew is responsible, someone you trusted, and they got away.

Are you going to let that person go? Regardless of who it is, or why they did it? Would Anderson be able to talk you out of it, or Kaiden, Wrex, Ash or Liara? Would anyone be able to? Would you rest until they were avenged?

Good points all, but I'd just like to say that Shepard seems to have the almost-unnatural ability to talk virtually anyone into virtually anything.  Hell, with just a few sentences, s/he talked Saren into killing *himself*.

[Nightwriter]

ElectricZ wrote...

Put yourself in Garrus' place. You leave the Normandy on a mission. You come back and Tali, Garrus, Mordin, Samara, Grunt, Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Zaeed, Legion, Kasumi and and Thane are all bullet-ridden corpses lying in the mess when you get back. All of them are dead, and nothing is going to bring them back. One of the crew is responsible, someone you trusted, and they got away.

Are you going to let that person go? Regardless of who it is, or why they did it? Would Anderson be able to talk you out of it, or Kaiden, Wrex, Ash or Liara? Would anyone be able to? Would you rest until they were avenged?

I said it in another thread and I say it again... In this case, Garrus wasn't following me on my mission, I was following him on his. If he wanted Sidonis dead for his betrayal, I wasn't going to question him after everything I'd asked him to do on faith alone.

And supposing you'd discovered it was Garrus who had betrayed the team and gone on the run?

Sometimes, the person who's view of the situation is not compromised or maddened by grief is the person who has the best perspective of the situation, and who can show the most wisdom.

Maddened by grief, we are willing to make decisions that may not be good for us, and not care that it is not good.

[chapa3]

"Maddened by grief, we are willing to make decisions that may not be good for us, and not care that it is not good."



And so, we shall face the consequence of our actions.

[Nightwriter]

What do you mean?