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[cachx]

I let Sidonis talk, when he is done, I let Garrus take the shot, every time. I'll let him live if I ever find out he does something, anything on ME3 (wich is very unlikely)

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
On my paragon playthrough I wondered why Shepard kept killing so many people. I mean, did you really need to slaughter scores of mercenaries during Thane's quest, just to talk with him?

To be fair, at that particular point the mercs where slaughtering innocents, Shep had to step in. Plus, some dialogue hints that Thane was fully expecting to get killed during that mission until Shep shows up.

[Mr.Caine]

chapa3 wrote...

"Good thing you didnt design the game."

Theres a difference between paragon and pacifist. Sidonis sold out his squad, essentially his family. A soldier's most important people are his/hers squadmates, people that would jump on top of a grenade to save another squadmate's lives. Regardless, bioware will hopefully allow paragon actions to have the same reproccussions as renegade actions.

He turns himself in; justice is served and everyone can go home. Don't give me that crap about "he deserves worse", because when you start saying that, you're becoming the people you putting away.
 About repreocussions as paragon... Samara's recuit quest called, it says you didn't play ME2.

[chapa3]

I meant for ME3. And Sidonis turned himself in, yes. What then? They can't charge a guy for a crime commited on Omega.

[The_ilest]

yeah i saved him. only because i taught the way he dressed looked awesome.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Saved him with my Paragon Shepard, and killed him with my Renegade. Simple as that.



But really, he sounded pretty honest and regretful when I was talking to him. Even Garrus admits as much if you don't let him assassinate Sidonis.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Shandepared wrote...

I don't see how wanting vengeance against a man who betrayed you and murdered your friends is 'crazy'.

This. So much. I'm recruiting a squad of soldiers to take down the Collectors. The last thing I want to foster in my squadmates is mercy towards their enemies. If a good friend had his family/group of friends slaughtered why would I talk him out of getting revenge?

[Wolverfrog]

Shandepared wrote...

Why go to the trouble of traveling the Citadel, killing about 20 mercenaries who probably have less blood on their hands than Sidonis does, and then just telling Garrus off?

Because showing Garrus he's wrong is easier than trying to tell him.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Wolverfrog wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Why go to the trouble of traveling the Citadel, killing about 20 mercenaries who probably have less blood on their hands than Sidonis does, and then just telling Garrus off?

Because showing Garrus he's wrong is easier than trying to tell him.

At what point in the mission do you "show" him that he is wrong?

[Nightwriter]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Why go to the trouble of traveling the Citadel, killing about 20 mercenaries who probably have less blood on their hands than Sidonis does, and then just telling Garrus off?

Because showing Garrus he's wrong is easier than trying to tell him.

At what point in the mission do you "show" him that he is wrong?

I believe it's around the same time when he decides not to kill Sidonis.

[NanQuan]

Actually, Garrus's loyalty mission is unique for me because it's one where the paragon and renegade choices are... irrelevant to me. Since I primarily play paragon I will often pick the paragon choices just because, but as far as my personal feelings go, I don't care whether Sidonis lives or dies. That's Garrus's decision, in my opinion.

I have absolutely no qualms about revenge. And in my mind, if Garrus wants to get revenge on Sidonis then that's his business. But if you let Garrus kill Sidonis then he doesn't have his revelation about the world being in gray and not black and white - which I do think is an important lesson for his character. So I'm kinda conflicted. My personal feelings say I should let Garrus do whatever the hell he wants, but I do like where his character development ends up if you take the paragon path. Ah, decisions, decisions.

Sidenote: I also don't really have a problem with him beating the snot outta Harkin either... I'm usually tempted to just let the paragon interrupt go by.

[TheSweetGirl]

I let Sidonis live to show Garrus that his death won't solve anything and in a way, Sidonis is already being punished for what he did. He will forever be haunted and his hands will forever be covered by the blood of the squad that he was a part of.



Besides, Garrus did say after you come back that he did see some good in Sidonis and just couldn't take the shot.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Nightwriter wrote...

I believe it's around the same time when he decides not to kill Sidonis.

Shepard still convinces Garrus not to kill Sidonis.

[Nightwriter]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I believe it's around the same time when he decides not to kill Sidonis.

Shepard still convinces Garrus not to kill Sidonis.

... Yes.

He convinces Garrus not to kill Sidonis. Garrus begins to see he was wrong.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Nightwriter wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I believe it's around the same time when he decides not to kill Sidonis.

Shepard still convinces Garrus not to kill Sidonis.

... Yes.

He convinces Garrus not to kill Sidonis. Garrus begins to see he was wrong.

Well, I would argue Garrus begins to accept Shepard's flawed ways of thinking, but that is neither here nor there. The post I originally replied to said that it would be easier to show Garrus he is wrong than tell him. I was just making the claim that telling him he is wrong is what convinces him, not "showing" him.

[Pinkflamingo22]

I killed him, i feel like he was bull****ting about be haunted by it.



All he had to do was warn Garrus and all could have been prevented. But no, Sidonis looked out for his own ass and would do it again.... maybe... he caused the death of the squad because of his own fear and stupidity.

[FlyinElk212]

Mm, honestly, I believe that there's nothing gained from letting Sidonis live if you told Garrus in the first game that sometimes, you have to take matters in to your own hands to achieve true justice.

Garrus is Space Batman, willing to do whatever is necessary to take down badguys and protect innocents--an ideal that Shepard set up for Garrus in game one. As far as I can tell, his drive for killing Sidonis doesn't conflict with either of these motives, so I have no problem with having him kill Sidonis. Sidonis betrayed a group that was the epitome of what Garrus is. He stopped the badguy-stoppers, and therefore must pay.

Now if Garrus were, say, harassing innocents to find information on Sidonis, THEN I'd have a problem with Garrus's obsessive chase, but all he did was attack an already guilty man in Harkin.

[CroGamer002]

6 characters, 4 completed, 3 left him leave and 1 let him killed.

Modifié par Mesina2, 29 juillet 2010 - 08:40 .

[CroGamer002]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Mm, honestly, I believe that there's nothing gained from letting Sidonis live if you told Garrus in the first game that sometimes, you have to take matters in to your own hands to achieve true justice.
Garrus is Space Batman, willing to do whatever is necessary to take down badguys and protect innocents--an ideal that Shepard set up for Garrus in game one. As far as I can tell, his drive for killing Sidonis doesn't conflict with either of these motives, so I have no problem with having him kill Sidonis. Sidonis betrayed a group that was the epitome of what Garrus is. He stopped the badguy-stoppers, and therefore must pay.
Now if Garrus were, say, harassing innocents to find information on Sidonis, THEN I'd have a problem with Garrus's obsessive chase, but all he did was attack an already guilty man in Harkin.

Batman in comics doesn't kill.

[CroGamer002]

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...

I killed him, i feel like he was bull****ting about be haunted by it.

All he had to do was warn Garrus and all could have been prevented. But no, Sidonis looked out for his own ass and would do it again.... maybe... he caused the death of the squad because of his own fear and stupidity.

Listen to Emily Wong news and she will say some Turian named Sidonis confesed death of 10 people on Omega to C-sec.

[KOKitten]

I saved Sidonis in my first playthrough because I felt sorry for him.

Then I thought it's really not my call - it's Garrus's. It was Garrus's squad that was killed; Garrus was betrayed; Garrus should be able to make his own decision. He may regret it later but it's his choice. I'm not going to treat him like a child or believe I know what's better for him.

I always play my Shepards as humans rather than as larger-than-life characters. I like them to have flaws. To me, it makes them feel more realistic. I'm sure the memory of killing Sidonis may bother Garrus (and Shepard) at times. Letting him go may also cause Garrus and Shepard to regret that decision. But that's life and Shepard and Garrus are both adults and can deal with it.

So, two playthroughs he was saved, three he was killed.

[Inthatplace]

Not me. Let's just kill this group of mercenaries and let one guy walk away because we don't want Garrus to go blood thirsty. That makes so much sense.

[remote_control_me]

well the very first time i played through this game i spared Sidonis. I did this to try and get the whole "revenge is not the answer" idea across.
BUT! after i thought about it, during ME1 i spent the whole tme telling my crew we would kill Saren for what he did on Eden Prime. If i can hold a grudge on some turian for a whole game, Garrus can too.

Moral of the story; revenge is bad...unless it involves aliens

[Docbrown777]

I let Garrus kill him. I love it when Shepard steps to the side and Sidonis is all, "Oh $h!t!"

[LenNnoOo Vas Normandy]

I was trying to talk it out wit Sidonis but... shooting him in the face was so much more badass

[thegreateski]

Mesina2 wrote...
Batman in comics doesn't kill.

He did.

Luckily he got changed before he could kill the Joker. If old batty hadn't gone Paragon on us then the Joker would have only been a minor villian. A dead minor villian.