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[Genisys]

I've got this wierd bug, I'm only getting 16 Dodge Bonus AC (It use to be stackable beyond 20), any help on this?

Maybe I edited something, don't know what is going on now, or where to start looking...

[Lightfoot8]

I don't think it is. I think it is limited to 20.

You may be getting 4 dodge from being hasted.

Modifié par Lightfoot8, 29 juillet 2010 - 01:29 .

[Genisys]

Ah. so they did cap it at 20 then, becuase it clearly was not that way before..., thanks for the reply Lightfoot8

I verified this through scripting (giving +10 Dodge Bonus by scripting) Doesn't stack beyond 20...

Modifié par Genisys, 29 juillet 2010 - 02:11 .

[Xardex]

Dodge bonus has always been capped to 20...

Note that there are 4 other AC types which stack with the dodge bonus. (Thought they too have a 20 cap)

[Genisys]

Xardex wrote...

Dodge bonus has always been capped to 20...
Note that there are 4 other AC types which stack with the dodge bonus. (Thought they too have a 20 cap)

Taken from Lexicon 1.68

Remarks
Default value for nDamageType should only ever be used in this function prototype.

Note about AC bonuses - they do not stack, except for Dodge, which is therefore one of the most powerful (and the Dodge Bonus items can severly unbalance a module).
 

NOTE: Haste grants a Dodge Bonus To AC, however, with the 20 Cap to dodge bonus, this means Haste & Other Feats or Special Abilities which grants a Dodge Bonus to AC will not raise the AC if the Dodge bonus AC is at 20 already..

I think this was a gross mistake, granted that some modules use 10+ AC Items, therefore, if I had 10 AC Boots on, had haste on, and buffed with my bard (+2 AC), and used a feat or special ability which further raised my AC (Dodge Bonus Wise), then this would make some of the buffs / abilities / or haste worthless...  Then there are the Pale Master's issue, another matter entirely, and of course the Epic Spell Mage Armor which also grants +5 Dodge Bonus to AC, will be also nerfed by this, if the AC of Boots are already high enough...

I think those who updated nwn to 1.69 should have ASKED THE COMMUNITY FIRST... Assuming it was ok to do something like this was a gross error..  I just wish they would have given us the funtion SetAbilityScore(nAmount, oPC); and they would have actually improved the game tremendously, rather than nerfing the game... (Reminds me of R&D at WOTC 4 MTG)

BIOWARE, can you post a fix this or tell us how to fix this???

Please don't bother saying it's hardcoded...  (I refuse to listen to this vanilla answer)

Modifié par Genisys, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:33 .

[Xardex]

Well, under normal circumstances you wouldn't reach that 20 at all unless you had a very specialized build. I think the most AC given by any default item in the game is +7... I tend to avoid servers with such overly powerful items like +10 AC.

About the stacking of the AC...
Dodge bonus stacks with itself, so +2 dodge and +3 dodge is in practice +5 AC. Other types do not stack, so +2 deflection and +3 deflection is in practice +3 AC... The 5 different types of AC stack with each other, only dodge stacks with itself.

Pale Master's AC (And other class related AC's like monks or RDDs) do stack with these 5 types of AC.

Also it is quite possible, and simple, to modify players ability scores with NWNX using nwnx_funcs plugin.

And, as this game is made by bioware it really is OK for them to do whatever they want, which they dont... And as I said, the cap has always been there...

The 69 patch did improve the game ALOT. I remember when I first got my hands on the changelog... It gave me a boner! The game was not "nerfed" in anyway as far as I know... (Nothing was removed or changed irritably)

EDIT

What is wrong with these forums??
One empty line transforms into three empty lines!

EDIT 2

And now the lines got randomly fixed as I edited my post.
Sweet... <_<

Modifié par Xardex, 29 juillet 2010 - 06:14 .

[Genisys]

Yeah I've had that same problem, however...



It was NOT always capped at 20, I remember testing the scripts to buff PC"s AC beyond +20 Dodge Bonus, it in fact would allow scripting to go far beyond 20, and Haste would stack with +20 AC Dodge bonus, and when you cast Epic Mage Armor you in fact went well beyond the +20 cap... (Not Anymore..)



I tested this on multiple modules back when I first started building in 2006..



Yeah they made the game, but does that mean they are discontinuing support?

[Lightfoot8]

Genisys wrote...


Yeah they made the game, but does that mean they are discontinuing support?

1.69 was the last and final official patch.  This was made very clear.  If there is a bug. It will not be patched. 

[Redunct]

Lightfoot8 wrote...

Genisys wrote...


Yeah they made the game, but does that mean they are discontinuing support?

1.69 was the last and final official patch.  This was made very clear.  If there is a bug. It will not be patched. 

To be honest, though, for a non-subscription game, 6 years of patches is very generious, especially when the sequel was released 2 years before discontinuing support.

[Lightfoot8]

Also, Everything we do here is free. Yes we did pay for the game. But the toolset, it was a free gift.



They made the toolset to help in making there game. So it was given the power needed to do the things they needed it to do. We are just prospering from the fact that they allowed the players to also use the toolset.



If there is a cap on something. Perhaps that is because it is what they wanted for there project.



If you where able to stack over 20 before. My guess is, That it was a bug and they fixed it.

[SHOVA]

Updating to 1.69 was your choice, you could have stayed at 1.68.

[Shadooow]

Dodge was always capped at 20... Nobody ever nerfed it. Don't cry (song from Guns n Roses).

[B_Harrison]

Can't remember Dodge AC ever not having a +20 cap.

Other types of AC are not capped at 20.

[Shadooow]

You now confused me, I always believed other ac types are capped at 20 too. Like bonus +21 doesn nothing... But I never tested it so...

[Shia Luck]

Dodge has always been capped at +20 and the +4AC of haste has always counted towards that cap.

When I first started playing online in 2005 on a high magic server, only getting +16AC from their +20 boots was always one of the first things new people noticed and wondered about.

[Genisys]

Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe it was capped, and maybe I'm wrong...

Maybe this post is pointless in light of it always being capped...

Maybe someone out there knows how to uncap it...  Maybe..

Modifié par Genisys, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:08 .

[omen_shepperd]

B_Harrison wrote...



Other types of AC are not capped at 20.

this is true

here it is

http://nwvault.ign.c....Detail&id=7699

[Shadooow]

omen_shepperd: I know how to increase the number of itemproperties, but it does not always work, for example attack bonus dont work beyond 20, I thought, the AC is the same...

[Genisys]

ShaDoOow, I noticed your pretty good with 2das, do you have any edited ones to share with us?

As far as the Item Properties Extended download, specifically the Lite Version...

If we put those files in the override, will that mess with our game online?

Is it 100% compatible with CEP v2.2 (The lite version)

What about the tlk file, how do we use that?  (Or is that for the full version only?)

(I don't like using haks that players have to download, because that deters some players from a server, and I don't use offline modules that use haks, as I don't have the room on my Solid State Drive to add them, I'm probably not alone in this statement either, that's something some should consider,  just a thought.)

Modifié par Genisys, 30 juillet 2010 - 05:44 .

[Shadooow]

Genisys wrote...

ShaDoOow, I noticed your pretty good with 2das, do you have any edited ones to share with us?

As far as the Item Properties Extended download, specifically the Lite Version...

If we put those files in the override, will that mess with our game online?

Is it 100% compatible with CEP v2.2 (The lite version)

What about the tlk file, how do we use that?  (Or is that for the full version only?)

(I don't like using haks that players have to download, because that deters some players from a server, and I don't use offline modules that use haks, as I don't have the room on my Solid State Drive to add them, I'm probably not alone in this statement either, that's something some should consider,  just a thought.)

Hmm only thing I can share is fast rest I fear. Everything I got is very specific and contains my own features (feats/spells/skill ripped from PRC). Thats also reason why I can't use Ben Harrison's 2das, I got already modified damage constants and since Im using them in script, I would have to rewrite it...

The other questions you asking are rather for Itemproperties Expanded author and thats Ben Harrison. But it won't mess with any online module, this package is usable only by builder, player gain nothing by adding it into his override. Also I don't support CEP2.x ever...

However look into my Project, I got there pointed few bugs in 2das, might interest you and I can upload them too .

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 30 juillet 2010 - 06:01 .

[Shadooow]

Now realized, yes I have very nice 2da modification. But its strictly for builders, it is an improved spellhook which is able to hook feats and creature abilities as well + you dont have to recompile all spells if you want to change it. Interested?

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 30 juillet 2010 - 06:07 .

[Genisys]

Yes of course, I like looking at builder's work, while many of us just rip what we want out of modules / contents, some actually do use the whole smoe... if you got a good system, send me a link.

Can we have the link to your poject? (for others as well)  NVM   *points at the post below.. doh!

I take it you don't use CEP?

Modifié par Genisys, 30 juillet 2010 - 07:10 .

[Shadooow]

I put the project link into my signature, also putting then my Spellhook idea on vault, hope I dont miss todays update.

[omen_shepperd]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

omen_shepperd: I know how to increase the number of itemproperties, but it does not always work, for example attack bonus dont work beyond 20, I thought, the AC is the same...

As far as I know it all works with this
hak. I tested it out about a month ago with a number of builds and
situations to see how I wanted to adjust some things on the server I
am making. Currently I am trying to merge the IPE with the PRC as one
overwrites the others item properties

[Shadooow]

Genisys wrote...

Yes of course, I like looking at builder's work, while many of us just rip what we want out of modules / contents, some actually do use the whole smoe... if you got a good system, send me a link.

New spellhook ok its at vault, but I doubt you will found usage for it