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[thegreateski]

Instead it rose to power because of 2 of 3 of those things. With the third being a result of the first (gone now though).



Strange coincidence.

[thegreateski]

Shandepared wrote...
We can thank the Europeans and Japanese for that.

I was refering to the Native Americans actually. Though I suppose that was just a cultural genocide.

[Giggles_Manically]

Cuba: America supported the Batista regime who was very oppressive and killed people who didnt get along with them. Result was a violent civil war, that claimed many lives and saw Fidel and the communists rise to power. The CIA tried to instigate another war to get access back on raw goods and reclaim american owned installations. Pay of Pigs happened and many, many people were harmed by the American strangeling of Cuba which still continues.



Vietnam: The communist North, was actually doing an somewhat decent job of moving people out of the dark ages, while the american supported south saw a huge divide in rich and poor. When people in the south wanted to join the north, and the north put pressure to change, the Vietnam war began and killed tens of thousands of people who did nothing, and thousands of young americans for nothing. The Ideology of Communism vs Capitalsim consumed a generation and still scars america.



South America: American supported puppets, fed american industry through raw goods, and made many americans wealthy. When people like Che tried to stop this because it left so many people in poverty ,that many people were killed for trying to feed their famalies to avoid starving. The CIA helped murder most of them and still does. ->See Quantam of Solace.



Afghanistan and Iraq speak for themselves: OIL OIL OIL OIL, and oh yes OIL.



America is not a nation to model yourself on, since its track record is as spotty as Cerberus. The exploitation that has fed the land of opportunity has destroyed many more nations.

[DanaScu]

Shandepared wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Because thought's like that always end in slavery, segregation, genocide.

No it doesn't. The United States rising to super power status above its rivals didn't result in slavery, segregation, or genocide. There's no reason that humanity being the most influential and powerful race in the galaxy would result in those things either.

Are you speaking of conditions in the United States, or conditions imposed by the United States on lesser rivals? Because a lot of examples in history seem to show things a little differently, both inside and outside the United States.

[thegreateski]

Alright. Enough.

Please leave my country out of this.

Seriously. Go pick on Britain or something.

Modifié par thegreateski, 30 juillet 2010 - 09:45 .

[sanadawarrior]

Shandepared wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Cuba
Vietnam
South America
Afghanistan and Iraq
would be in disagreement with you Shand.

Why exactly?

The Panama Canal, Texas war of Independance, backing of Batista in Cuba all say hi, among other things.

[sanadawarrior]

thegreateski wrote...

Alright. Enough.

Please leave my country out of this.

Seriously. Go pick on Britain or something.

It's my country too, and I love it, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that it has done over the years.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well every nation has done stupid things in its past.



But this is about a video game, which is fun!

Seriously though we have to give credit to bioware for creating such an indepth world.

[thegreateski]

sanadawarrior wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Alright. Enough.

Please leave my country out of this.

Seriously. Go pick on Britain or something.

It's my country too, and I love it, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that it has done over the years.

Well everybody seems bound and determined to use the US as a whipping boy when it comes to politics. They may or may not be right with their points but i'm sick of seeing the US as the "go to guy" for examples in politics.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well its kinda hard not to since America seems bound and determined to offer up examples every day.

[Nightwriter]

I think I see the point Sanada was trying to make a few pages back, though.

In all of the "sacrifices" that the Illusive Man makes, he is sacrificing absolutely nothing himself. All the damage that his backfired experiments causes - it hurts him not at all. 

He continually sacrifices other people for his cause. It's always other people that get hurt. He sees no blowback.

Since he is the self-appointed ruler of his self-appointed organization, he alone holds the judgment for whether or not sacrificing those lives is worth it or not.

[Giggles_Manically]

Why do we even bother with you Shand?



Anyone who feels the united States and Bush are foreces for good in this world must have parents who are cousins, and votes Republican.

[thegreateski]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well its kinda hard not to since America seems bound and determined to offer up examples every day.

I am not amused.

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Such is the plight of every leader in history.

It's the human condition, what more do you want?

This is as stupid as people who insist the politicians should lead from the frontlines.

Generals do their job better when they aren't under direct fire.

Shand, honestly, you're an idiot, bro.

You cannot compare TIM to any political or government leader in history. Those people were appointed to that position by the people. And even if the people didn't appoint them, they at least agreed to follow them. The position was official.

Stop acting like TIM is a similar official. 

[thegreateski]

Nightwriter wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Such is the plight of every leader in history.

It's the human condition, what more do you want?

This is as stupid as people who insist the politicians should lead from the frontlines.

Generals do their job better when they aren't under direct fire.

Shand, honestly, you're an idiot, bro.

You cannot compare TIM to any political or government leader in history. Those people were appointed to that position by the people. And even if the people didn't appoint them, they at least agreed to follow them. The position was official.

Stop acting like TIM is a similar official. 

I would like to refute this actually.

TIM would not have any power if people did not agree to his leadership. Cerberus is actually a rather small organization when it comes down to it.

[angj57]

The off topic real world inflamatory political accusations don't bring anything to the discussion of the thread's topic.

thegreateski wrote...

I would like to refute this actually.

TIM would not have any power if people did not agree to his leadership. Cerberus is actually a rather small organization when it comes down to it.

Cerberus's power is based on it being extremely wealthy. So yes, the elite billionares of the Alliance society agree with his leadership, but that hardly means that anywhere near the majority of humans agree with it.

Modifié par angj57, 30 juillet 2010 - 10:20 .

[thegreateski]

angj57 wrote...

The off topic real world inflamatory political accusations don't bring anything to the discussion of the thread's topic.

thegreateski wrote...

I would like to refute this actually.

TIM would not have any power if people did not agree to his leadership. Cerberus is actually a rather small organization when it comes down to it.

Cerberus's power is based on it being extremely wealthy. So yes, the elite billionares of the Alliance society agree with his leadership, but that hardly means that anywhere near the majority of humans agree with it.

You misunderstand.

Cerberus does not have many personel. Ship crew, scientists, soldiers and such. That's what I mean.