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[JGDD]

And why not send in perfectly able Cerberus operatives that would die for the cause?

[Dean_the_Young]

We don't know a lot about Akuze. About all we know is that the Akuze unit was sent in because the Akuze colony went silent, and then the unit was surprised. While Tombs blames Cerberus for leading the Marines into the Thresher Maw nest, by the nature of the encounter (leading the Marines to the Thresher Maws, rather than the Maws to the Marines), it doesn't seem likely that Cerberus had the Maws attack the colony as well.



A lower-quality narrative would simply go with 'Cerberus had maws attack the colony, then the marines', without any more motive or reason. A higher-quality process would be 'maws attack human colony, then Cerberus quickly responds by sending marines in blind to see how serious the threat is', with the goal of the experiment to (quickly) find out just how dangerous the maws really are, in order to rapidly prepare other colonies before they get help. That the entire unit is wiped out is a tragic but needed warning of the nature of the unknown threat, and thresher maw doctrine is quickly established.



But, as I said, the second would be a higher class narative.

[Anezay]

Cerberus was there. Remember Kahoku's mission? They're still doing that.

[Dean_the_Young]

Anezay wrote...

Cerberus was there. Remember Kahoku's mission? They're still doing that.

Please re-read the post and try again.

[chapa3]

I think it is fairly simple on how a thresher maw would attack. Just ask any Urdnot krogan. Watch one in action on some random planet. Sending a marine squad in blind is asinine. Out of all the experiments, the Akuze/Kahoku experiment makes no sense.

[chapa3]

Test dummies? LOKI Mechs? There are millions of simulations that they could run.

[Dean_the_Young]

And it's not like the Alliance has strong ties and evaluators on Tuchanka either.



Akuze may well have been relatively early in the colonization phase, or at least one of (if not the) first times Thresher Maws were encountered. Plenty of things the rest of the galaxy knows Humanity was/is still too new to really know. Even Shepard, who'd have the security clearance and the need/reason to be educated on the matter, doesn't know much/anything about the genophage, the Rachni, or plenty of other things that would be known in the galaxy.

[chapa3]

Of course he didn't know that. He's the protagonist in a video game. He is supposed to know as much as the person controlling him.

[Dean_the_Young]

Shepard's largely portrayed as being as or better informed than the rest of the average populace: what he doesn't know, most of the rest of humanity won't know either.



Cerberus's portrayal and various backstory elements were rather weak in ME1, and need a fair deal of filling in. To maintain canonical consistency, however, those player-assumptions should favor the 'there was a reason, I just don't know what' approach rather than the 'I don't know what, so there must be no reason why' philosophy.

[chapa3]

Alright, I'll run the simulation for what, 100% of the time, would happen if a marine squad lands on a thresher nest.

*Marines land on nest*

*Marines feel ground shaking and look at each other nervously*

*Thresher Maws surface*

*Marines stare for 2 seconds*

*Marines run away in random directions*

*Thresher Maws maul marines*

*Marines die*

Modifié par chapa3, 31 juillet 2010 - 04:04 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Remind me again where you got the data of thresher maws to put into that simulation?

[Arijharn]

sanadawarrior wrote...

1) I agree, however the fact that I dont know his motives is what bothers me about trusting him.

Fair enough, I find that conclusion to be at least somewhat logical

sanadawarrior wrote...
2) I agree as well, but I am not so sure the base would help in the hands of cerberus, I realy wish there was another option but there was not.

So you would cut your nose off to spite your face?

My point being is that sure there aren't as many options as we'd like, but we did have options. They aren't ideal, but then again this was in an extremely stressful/tense situation where not much time is involved. You had to make a snap decision (despite the fact you could hover between top right or bottom right responses till the time of Judgement) and yet you chose a way that had, on the face of it, less benefit (and not just Cerberus, or humanity but the entire galactic community).

I understand where you're coming from, 'do unto others what you would have done to you' and all that, but while I like Garrus a lot (for example), I can not bank on the fact that the Turians (or anyone else) would also be content with leaving me alone well enough.

This is a slight example but when I was in school, one of the teachers aides was a delightful and friendly woman but she also had a son who was an absolute bastard. My point being is that you can never be sure of others intentions, and that's why an organization like Cerberus is needed. By being unaccountable to the government (but controlled by an idealist like Illusive Man) there is at least some measure of control, and in all honesty, I think The Illusive Man is a better handler for an organisation than a Rear Admiral. If Cerberus is to be successful, it needs to be adaptable, and if it was a buereacracy (bah, I so can not spell today either!) then precious little development in time could be accomplished.

[chapa3]

Sure. Common logic. Hostile predator, poorly armed prey. Big, armored, hostile creature. Also, factoring human (organic even) tendencies when facing unknown threat. Could drop a space cow, or a deer, get similar results.

[Dean_the_Young]

Everyone knows that Marines are *******.

Now, if the Alliance had real men, like Rangers...


*Sarcasm

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 31 juillet 2010 - 04:32 .

[chapa3]

Yes poorly armed prey. You dont poke a stick at bear.

[Arijharn]

No, you deploy a Mako... funnily enough after Akuze frigates were fitted with them to be deployed with ground forces.

[Sajuro]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Anezay wrote...

I love how people like to justify Cerberus by saying "They're doing it for humanity!" They don't seem to get the whole racism theme. For the slow: Replace HUMANS with WHITE PEOPLE. Replace TURIANS, SALARIANS, and ASARI as ARABS, ASIANS, and BLACK PEOPLE. Get it now? Yay, Earth first! No.

Ah yes. "Racism". We have dismissed this claim.

Humans = All one species.

Humans and Aliens = Not one species.

For you slow people . . . replace Humans with . . . well . . . HUMANS and replace Aliens with CUTTLEFISH. Get it now?


edit: I would like for it to be known that I adore cuttlefish, and not for eating.

Actually I see what Anezay means.

If anything, the Reapers show us that we're all one people fighting to survive. Fighting for the right to exist.

If some huge threat struck Earth suddenly, it would unify us all as simply Earthlings. We need to protect everybody.

Like the ending of Watchmen? Make everything Black and White?

Until Rorshach's Journal gets published.

[chapa3]

Arijharn wrote...

No, you deploy a Mako... funnily enough after Akuze frigates were fitted with them to be deployed with ground forces.

Which drives like rubbish anyway. I still remember how it took me 30 minutes to get out of that damn valley on Eletania (the one with the mineral deposit).

[thegreateski]

Whenever those damn things pop up I just get out of the MAKO and circle-strafe them to death. Works wonders.

[Sajuro]

Thresher maws were the best part of Mako Combat imo. Too bad you never were attacked by three thresher maws at the same time.

[Arijharn]

Call me crazy, but I prefer the driving mechanics of the Mako over the Hammerhead... it was just the exploration 'missions' of the Mako that drove me nutty.