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[Arijharn]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

And why not send in perfectly able Cerberus operatives that would die for the cause?

Who's to say that they don't? Oh wait, the narrative does, because those missions were the successful ones...

[RiouHotaru]

I'd like to add that there is nothing heroic about TIM chasing down Grayson to eliminate personally. Considering Grayson was off minding his own business in the first place after giving TIM the finger in Ascension.



TIM apparently considers ANYONE flipping him the bird unacceptable, hunts down Grayson, captures him, and stuffs him full of Reaper-tech. He even admits in the novel that it was a revenge thing. They've could've grabbed ANYONE else to Reaper-ize, but TIM wanted Grayson because it was personal.



There's absolutely NOTHING heroic in that, which makes TIM's desire to personally cap Grayson at the end irrelevant.

[Maugrim]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'd like to add that there is nothing heroic about TIM chasing down Grayson to eliminate personally. Considering Grayson was off minding his own business in the first place after giving TIM the finger in Ascension.

TIM apparently considers ANYONE flipping him the bird unacceptable, hunts down Grayson, captures him, and stuffs him full of Reaper-tech. He even admits in the novel that it was a revenge thing. They've could've grabbed ANYONE else to Reaper-ize, but TIM wanted Grayson because it was personal.

There's absolutely NOTHING heroic in that, which makes TIM's desire to personally cap Grayson at the end irrelevant.

Hiya RiouHotaru, I'll just drop of my 7 second explanation of Cerberus logic right here then.

If they had chosen someone besides Grayson or chose him over random mook #47 because he was already in custody it could be somewhat justified.  But to purposely go after him, damage their own operations and ****** off some of the most important and powerful people/organizations in the galaxy....that's just stupid and not the way a real "Humanity First" organization would react.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 31 juillet 2010 - 07:41 .

[RiouHotaru]

makenzieshepard wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'd like to add that there is nothing heroic about TIM chasing down Grayson to eliminate personally. Considering Grayson was off minding his own business in the first place after giving TIM the finger in Ascension.

TIM apparently considers ANYONE flipping him the bird unacceptable, hunts down Grayson, captures him, and stuffs him full of Reaper-tech. He even admits in the novel that it was a revenge thing. They've could've grabbed ANYONE else to Reaper-ize, but TIM wanted Grayson because it was personal.

There's absolutely NOTHING heroic in that, which makes TIM's desire to personally cap Grayson at the end irrelevant.

Hiya RiouHotaru, I'll just drop of my 7 second explanation of Cerberus logic right here then.

HAHAHA!  I saw that earlier and I was like "OH HEY, THATS WHAT TIM DID!"

[inversevideo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'd like to add that there is nothing heroic about TIM chasing down Grayson to eliminate personally. Considering Grayson was off minding his own business in the first place after giving TIM the finger in Ascension.

TIM apparently considers ANYONE flipping him the bird unacceptable, hunts down Grayson, captures him, and stuffs him full of Reaper-tech. He even admits in the novel that it was a revenge thing. They've could've grabbed ANYONE else to Reaper-ize, but TIM wanted Grayson because it was personal.

There's absolutely NOTHING heroic in that, which makes TIM's desire to personally cap Grayson at the end irrelevant.

I wonder how much coordination was done between this book and the ending of ME2?

Seems like there is a bit of foreshadowing, in ME2, as when I refused to give TIM the Collector base, my Shep said something to the effect of "Your totally ruthelss  I would'nt put it past you to try and build your own reaper".

Also, since my femshep did tell TIM to go EFF himself, and he replied with "Are you sure that is what you want?", well.. if I had any doubts before, that TIM was going to seek payback, they are now erased.

[Dean_the_Young]

Given how many morally upstanding people here openly profess to wanting their own vengeance quest against TIM for past deeds, why should you expect him to be any better?

[srzyski89]

1. If you are grouped into the category of "Organization willing to do things others won't" you know you are probably doing some bad things.
2. I personally ask myself "hey would I want to be part of a Cerberus experiment?" Considering I can't really say yes certainly, why would I think they are anything but reprehensible?
In the Mass Effect universe, humanity isn't an island unto itself. It is one thing to strive to stay viable, a completely different thing to strive for superiority.

Modifié par srzyski89, 04 août 2010 - 02:32 .

[srzyski89]

Shandepared wrote...

If we don't strive for superiority we are condemning ourselves to mediocrity.

Not really, but who am I to say?

[krasnoarmeets]

Cerberus incompetent to the point of comedy = why everything blows up in their faces.

How can completely incompetent retards strive for superiority?

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 04 août 2010 - 03:11 .

[crimzontearz]

this is getting ridiculous



to those who orchestrated it, the 9-11 event was "harsh actions for the greater good"



same for any other zealot driven terrorist action



enough with the BS, Cerberus has recently attained comicbook-villain-like reputation



Seriously next thing you know TIM is going to have a persian cat in his lap all the time

[krasnoarmeets]

That's what we need for TIM - a persian cat mod!



Guys, can someone please get onto this? This is an important niche that needs to be filled...

[crimzontearz]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

That's what we need for TIM - a persian cat mod!

Guys, can someone please get onto this? This is an important niche that needs to be filled...

no......just no

[krasnoarmeets]

Mr. Bigglesworth, make your entrance, please..!

[mosor]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Cerberus incompetent to the point of comedy = why everything blows up in their faces.

How can completely incompetent retards strive for superiority?

They're not completely incompetent retards. They wouldn't be so well funded if they were. Experiments fail more often than not, especially when dealing with things unfamilar to us. We don't get these experimental disasters on earth as often because plenty of the things we study on a practical level, we're familar with. We can hypothesize expected complications pretty easily and thus prepare for them better.

In the ME universe, Cerberus is experimenting on things that are thus far totally alien to our experience. Anticipating even a few complications (never mind most) is pretty much impossible. However, despite the dangers, these experiments must be done or these things will always be alien to us. We will never learn and grow and be familiar with the galaxy unless we study the unfamiliar stuff. Not to mention that there is a time limit hanging over our heads with the reapers coming. The more familiar we are with the threat the better our chances.

Cerberus is doing us a favor. They're taking the majority of the risks when studying alien and radical technologies. Their people are usually the first to suffer. They do it because it has to be done by someone. It's not going to be a risk adverse elected government.

Modifié par mosor, 04 août 2010 - 03:33 .

[Sajuro]

srzyski89 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

If we don't strive for superiority we are condemning ourselves to mediocrity.

Not really, but who am I to say?

Someone reasonable?

[Sajuro]

crimzontearz wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

That's what we need for TIM - a persian cat mod!

Guys, can someone please get onto this? This is an important niche that needs to be filled...

no......just no

He's right, TIM needs a mustache to twirl first.

[mosor]

Sajuro wrote...

srzyski89 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

If we don't strive for superiority we are condemning ourselves to mediocrity.

Not really, but who am I to say?

Someone reasonable?

Actually Shandepared is right. Competition and a drive to be superior to our neighbours technologically and economically is the main driving force of progress throughout our history. Those that didn't strive to be superior or settled for the status quo ended up being in the dustbin of history. It's not pretty, not idealistic, but thats just the way things work.

Modifié par mosor, 04 août 2010 - 04:20 .

[Sajuro]

mosor wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

srzyski89 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

If we don't strive for superiority we are condemning ourselves to mediocrity.

Not really, but who am I to say?

Someone reasonable?

Actually Shandepared is right. Competition and a drive to be superior to our neighbours technologically and economically is the main driving force of progress throughout our history. Those that didn't strive to be superior or settled for the status quo ended up being in the dustbin of history. It's not pretty, not idealistic, but thats just the way things work.

All we are saying, is give peace a chance<3... under penalty of death

[mosor]

Sajuro wrote...

All we are saying, is give peace a chance<3... under penalty of death

While you're giving peace a chance, I'm building a tank. Then I'll steal your peace and replace it with one that is adventagous to me:lol:

[Sajuro]

mosor wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

All we are saying, is give peace a chance<3... under penalty of death

While you're giving peace a chance, I'm building a tank. Then I'll steal your peace and replace it with one that is adventagous to me:lol:

Not if I use the dead bodies of my comrades to jam up your tank

[Inverness Moon]

mosor wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Cerberus incompetent to the point of comedy = why everything blows up in their faces.

How can completely incompetent retards strive for superiority?

They're not completely incompetent retards. They wouldn't be so well funded if they were. Experiments fail more often than not, especially when dealing with things unfamilar to us. We don't get these experimental disasters on earth as often because plenty of the things we study on a practical level, we're familar with. We can hypothesize expected complications pretty easily and thus prepare for them better.

In the ME universe, Cerberus is experimenting on things that are thus far totally alien to our experience. Anticipating even a few complications (never mind most) is pretty much impossible. However, despite the dangers, these experiments must be done or these things will always be alien to us. We will never learn and grow and be familiar with the galaxy unless we study the unfamiliar stuff. Not to mention that there is a time limit hanging over our heads with the reapers coming. The more familiar we are with the threat the better our chances.

Cerberus is doing us a favor. They're taking the majority of the risks when studying alien and radical technologies. Their people are usually the first to suffer. They do it because it has to be done by someone. It's not going to be a risk adverse elected government.

I love the way you put that. 

[srzyski89]

You can still be viable (competetive) without trying to dominate others and be superior. There's this thing called cooperation and it tends to work out well, especially in ME case when you have a threat bigger than just one species. Superiority in itself isn't the problem, it's the mindset that follows it.



In ME's case, it is the mindset of "l'll be ready when those allies turn to enemies". It ends up turning into a self-fulfilling prophecy as tensions build as you already view your allies as potential foes. That's what I mean by viable; nothing wrong with carrying a big stick, it's just the attitude and viewpoint that can get you into trouble. If I was a reaper in some of your guys' views, I'd just wait till galatic war broke out before I did my reaping (or whatever it is they do).

[Sajuro]

Shandepared wrote...

srzyski89 wrote...

In ME's case, it is the mindset of "l'll be ready when those allies turn to enemies". It ends up turning into a self-fulfilling prophecy as tensions build as you already view your allies as potential foes.

No it doesn't.

Well, it might in Mass Effect but then Mass Effect is fiction. In real-life it's actually quite normal and rational not to blindly trust foreign nations.

Okay Shand, how about you try maintaining a cordial relationship while treating people like they might turn on you at any given moment.