Dean_the_Young wrote...
Cerberus has had, what, two, maybe three known rogue projects? Teltin, Overlord, and Shepard's Lazarus? One of which was always under Shepard's control in the first place?
Do you count the rachni that escaped from Cerberus control and shipped themselves out on the cargo ships, wiping out one Marine listening post and almost wiping out the second? They did wipe out the miners on the planet. The Cerberus operative says they should have been treating them like prisoners of war instead of animals.
Which project was under Shepard's control? If you're referring to Lazarus, being dead at first, and, at a later date, unconscious/in a coma while getting cybernetic implants, new bones, new muscles, new eyes and whatever else they needed to do kinda rules out Shepard being in control of anything. No matter how badass Shep is, "meat and tubes" on an operating table isn't giving orders to anyone. After Shepard is woken by Miranda, Miranda is giving orders, then Jacob. I doubt Shepard had much influence over Wilson selling out Cerberus to the SB.
When you follow up Kahoku's information in ME you break up three more installations, one of which has Kahoku's body. I count those as failed Cerberus experiments. And the Exogeni terminal you can hack, where the scientist is concerned over the samples they gave to some group called Cerberus. I think Shepard cleans that mess up as well.
As far as I can tell [haven't read the books] any project that becomes known, along with whatever atrocities the scientists have committed conveniently becomes "rogue", so TIM can claim he didn't know about it. He allegedly gave orders to shut down Teltin, or says he did; after the kids rebelled and the scientists were killed. Shepard doesn' t hear about it until after Jack's bomb wipes Teltin off the map. Why he bothers to tell you Teltin is destroyed in the mission brief I don't know; Jack's bomb looks like it cleared the jungle off half the planet. He is far more annoyed that there was any evidence left for you to find before Jack blew it up. He is disappointed if you take Archer's brother away; not that he was being tortured in the first place, but because you'll set back the project. Too bad about the autistic kid, but we're doing this for *humanity*.
From what is seen in the games, he really doesn't care what his people do, as long as they get results. And destroy evidence so he can claim they went rogue if the usual happens and Shepard or someone has to come in and clean up the mess.
Wrex and Aleena; did you listen to what happened with the two of them? Cerberus fighting on the Flotilla with unarmed civilians. Aleena and Wrex heading to a space station filled with pirates and mercs. From the wiki, since I didn't remember the exact words :
Due to the respect of each other's skills, Wrex and Aleena agreed to battle it out. Aleena chose an old salarian space station overrun with mercenaries and pirates
as their battleground, so no one who got in their way could be classed
as an innocent bystander. Wrex pursued Aleena through the space station
for days, until he ran out of ammunition and had to kill several
mercenaries to obtain their weapons.
Finally, when all the others on the station had fled or been
killed, Wrex trapped Aleena in the medical bay, while she attempted to
heal her wounds. As Wrex began to break in, he realised the station's
core was about to go critical and just managed to escape before the
facility was reduced to vapour. There was no apparent way Aleena could
have escaped, but Wrex received a cheerful message from her, simply
reading "Better luck next time..."
It is splitting hairs, but I don't see that as being the same as when Cerberus wants someone or something, and doesn't care about the collateral damage to unarmed defenseless civilians/colonists, like Horizon.
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