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[Meuterei]

Meh, I hated Aria and from the very first dialog I wished I could have caved in her skull. Sucks about her child, but still... I don't see why she's so popular. Even with paragon Shep, there's plenty enough reason to leave a crater in that (insert expletive)'s face.

Modifié par Meuterei, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:09 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Have a few theories. Just hope you did Overlord before blowing up the Geth heretics. Also think you shouldn´t think of living beings in statistical terms.

Devoted cerberus follower will always kept him plugged to that machine regardless of Legion's L-mission outcome in name of the "Humanity's greater good".

Are you referring to me? I hope not, because you'd be talking out of your ass if you were.

The second greatest, though often decisive, factor for the end-Overlord choice is Legion's Loyalty mission. At that point, I've already committed to an alliance with the Geth: not only does an anti-geth weapon at that point serve no near-term purpse (thus giving leave for long term research), but keeping it is bad juju for keeping good ties to Legion. Liberating the kid not only offers me brownie points over him, but the geth don't have to fear that we're planning against them as we work with them.

[Dean_the_Young]

Nerevar-as wrote...
Read "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett.

I have.

Your point? It's a book you can take many different things from, and what you take isn't necessarily what I take.

[PWENER]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Have a few theories. Just hope you did Overlord before blowing up the Geth heretics. Also think you shouldn´t think of living beings in statistical terms.

Devoted cerberus follower will always kept him plugged to that machine regardless of Legion's L-mission outcome in name of the "Humanity's greater good".

Wrong!

I kept the collector base and am a Cerberus supporter but still unplugged him. I want human dominance but not by weakening or controlling other races. If humanity is truly worthy of galactic control, we can do it by ourselves and not by sabotage.

You may think the collector base falls under cheating, but we earned it. If the turians had killed the collectors, they would have kpt it too to dominate the galaxy. It's just a perk.

[Nerevar-as]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
Read "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett.

I have.

Your point? It's a book you can take many different things from, and what you take isn't necessarily what I take.

Om telling to the other god one is the same as fifty. And to fight for each and every of them.

The only circumstance I would take the sacrifice other solution would be if I had the certainty they couldn´t be saved. As in the first episode of BSG (33). The people in the ship were dead without any hope regardless of how.

[Dean_the_Young]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
Read "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett.

I have.

Your point? It's a book you can take many different things from, and what you take isn't necessarily what I take.

Om telling to the other god one is the same as fifty. And to fight for each and every of them.

One was also all that god had at stake.

Being willing to stand for the few is important also because of how over time it can come to stand for the greater. Defending the free speach of one person, no matter how unpleasant, can be vital because if you don't protect his, later you can't protect the many. It's a concept of enlightened self-interest: what moral but isn't good for you now can actually be good for you later.

Of course, this is all academic. You can point to Terry Pratchet. I could point to some other writer. I could also point right back to Terry Pratchet: Lord Vetinary, after all, has more than once played with the lives of the few for the good of the many, because he is a magnificent bastard.

So Om says you need to be willing to stand up for the one. I agree with that. Venitary gambles or does worse with the few in the interests of the many. I agree with that more. The choice between the two depends on the context, and the consequences.

The only circumstance I would take the sacrifice other solution would be if I had the certainty they couldn´t be saved. As in the first episode of BSG (33). The people in the ship were dead without any hope regardless of how.

Very few things in life are certain. The opportunity rarely presents itself to be absolutely aware of the consequences of our decisions.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:41 .

[Nerevar-as]

Vetinary doesn´t usually put random people lives in the line to get his goals. Also lives in a very different world. I really doubt he would act in the ME galaxy as he does in Discworld, which for all its fun can be a very dark place.



I think there was also Granny once mentioned something along the lines of when people say a decision is complicated it actually means it is wrong but they don´t want to face that, but I might be remebering wrong, many years since whatever book that was in.



As I said earlier, we have a different point of view in this.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Nerevar-as wrote...
Feel curious, what do you do in the Overlord DLC?

Send David to the Alliance facility for special cases, every time.

[Dean_the_Young]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Vetinary doesn´t usually put random people lives in the line to get his goals. Also lives in a very different world. I really doubt he would act in the ME galaxy as he does in Discworld, which for all its fun can be a very dark place.

Sure he does. He does it with Vimes a number of times, and with Lipwig in both Moist books. (Going Postal and Making Money.) It's also a known fact he's arrested and killed people in the past (discretly, of course), and has no problem playing the tyrant when it suits him.

Prachett has made characters all about no compromise, but also about characters who will risk others for greater good. (The Wizards do that a good deal.)

I think there was also Granny once mentioned something along the lines of when people say a decision is complicated it actually means it is wrong but they don´t want to face that, but I might be remebering wrong, many years since whatever book that was in.

Granny says many things. That's not to say what you refer to was wrong, but it isn't always right either. Even you can come up with complicated things that aren't wrong.

But Granny isn't an authority. Terry Prachet isn't an authority. Referencing unrelated fictional characters can be tasteful allusions, but they aren't basis for arguments.

As I said earlier, we have a different point of view in this.

In fact, I believe that was my point.

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Meuterei wrote...

Meh, I hated Aria and from the very first dialog I wished I could have caved in her skull. Sucks about her child, but still... I don't see why she's so popular. Even with paragon Shep, there's plenty enough reason to leave a crater in that (insert expletive)'s face.

I didnt think she was that popular.  She's definitely has an alpha personality.  Some people dont like that.