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[Sarah1281]

She's motherless no matter who Alistair's mother was unless you think that they MURDERED her and I highly doubt that. Besides, she wasn't supposed to think that she has a royal brother out there. She told whoever at the Castle that 'the babe was the King's.' I'm not sure why she thought that her mother's baby was the King's if it wasn't but know no deceived Goldanna. They just gave her a Sovereign and sent her on her way.

[lizzbee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

She's motherless no matter who Alistair's mother was unless you think that they MURDERED her and I highly doubt that. Besides, she wasn't supposed to think that she has a royal brother out there. She told whoever at the Castle that 'the babe was the King's.' I'm not sure why she thought that her mother's baby was the King's if it wasn't but know no deceived Goldanna. They just gave her a Sovereign and sent her on her way.

Errr, what?  I probably forgot an extra "motherless" in there.  Yes, she was motherless either way.  But after that, she thought she was now also brotherless, which, really, she wasn't.  And it's pretty obvious why she thought the baby was the King's-- because he was.  Chances are, she saw Maric bunking with her mother at some point, and when her mother died in childbirth, it was pretty likely the result of said bunking was the culprit.  Children don't just make up stories like this, especially when she knew Alistair's true father in their first meeting.

Where the trick might have come in was with your statement:

There was likely just a maid who happened to die (possibly from
childbirth) around that time that Eamon quickly used as a cover story.

To shuffle in a mythical brother?  To run off the little girl with a lie about the little boy dying?  One way or another, they lied to Goldanna, whether it was about a little brother dying or about the real reason for her mother's death.

[Sarah1281]

To shuffle in a mythical brother? To run off the little girl with a lie about the little boy dying? One way or another, they lied to Goldanna, whether it was about a little brother dying or about the real reason for her mother's death.

So are you putting forth that they killed Goldanna's mother if Alistair isn't her brother? I don't see why she can't just really have died in childbirth and the baby died as well and they told her that and then went ahead and lied to everyone else that asked.



Also, I HIGHLY doubt that if Goldanna's mother and Maric really slept together (which I also don't believe because he doesn't seem the 'sleeping with random serving girls type) that they'd be so careless as to let Goldanna see them. After all, if Goldanna could walk in on them then so could anyone else and it was hardly something that either of them wanted the whole kingdom to know.

[Addai]

lizzbee wrote...

So, then, who is Goldanna?  If Alistair's mother wasn't the chambermaid, what relationship does Goldanna have to him?  None?  Or was that all some great lie to screw over some little girl just to make Alistair's true parentage more of a mystery? 

...and for the first time, I feel sorry for Goldanna.

My theory is that Goldanna is a plant.  She was paid to tell a story and rode the gravy train until she wasn't needed any longer.  That's why she's bitter- because it didn't last.  When Alistair walks in, all sweet and pliable, she thinks she hears the train whistle again.

[wicked_being]

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Same here. If Alistair was conceived/born at the time of Queen Rowan, why was there no mention at all that there was another potential heir, when Maric was thinking about Fiona and his son competing against Cailan. Besides, everything in pre-DA:O had something to do with Origins and Awakening.

Alistair was conceived after Rowan's death, when Maric went into the Deep Roads with the Orlesian Wardens.

Just saying that there was no mention if there was another child besides Cailan and Alistair. The Calling was set three years after Rowan's death when Maric went with the Orlesian Wardens - Fiona with them.

Cailan can't be Loghain's son. Different hair colors [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] Rowan had brown hair *accdg to the book* but probably the same color as Eamon and Teagan. Loghain has, of course, black.

Modifié par wicked_being, 04 août 2010 - 05:42 .

[Sarah1281]

Black-haired people can have blonde children. I mean, look at Anora. Of course, if Cailan WAS Loghain's then that particular marriage is full of squick.

[wicked_being]

Well we don't know how Anora's mother looks like. But you're right...that IS sick.

Modifié par wicked_being, 04 août 2010 - 05:51 .

[jpdipity]

wicked_being wrote...

Just saying that there was no mention if there was another child besides Cailan and Alistair. The Calling was set three years after Rowan's death when Maric went with the Orlesian Wardens - Fiona with them.

Cailan can't be Loghain's son. Different hair colors ../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png Rowan had brown hair *accdg to the book* but probably the same color as Eamon and Teagan. Loghain has, of course, black.

It is very possible for someone with black hair to have a child with blonde hair.  It is possible for 2 people with black hair to have a child with blonde hair if they both have recessive alleles for blonde hair.

Regardless, I doubt that Cailan is Loghain's son.  In the Stolen Throne, it is mentioned that Rowan avoids Loghain and Loghain never visits court; so, that does not leave much opportunity for the two to conceive a child.  Not to mention, Rowan is so duty bound and was a staunch believer in Therin rule that I think that it is unlikely that she would conceive a non-Therin to place on the throne.

There is more evidence to support that Alistair is Fiona's son with Goldanna's mother being a convenient cover story than not.

[TJPags]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Black-haired people can have blonde children. I mean, look at Anora. Of course, if Cailan WAS Loghain's then that particular marriage is full of squick.

Maybe Caillan found out who his real father was, and THAT'S why he wanted to put aside Anora.

I mean, think about - how could he stay married to his own sister?????

[Sarah1281]

TJPags wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Black-haired people can have blonde children. I mean, look at Anora. Of course, if Cailan WAS Loghain's then that particular marriage is full of squick.

Maybe Caillan found out who his real father was, and THAT'S why he wanted to put aside Anora.

I mean, think about - how could he stay married to his own sister?????

Eamon was the one who had to have found out as he wanted her put aside. Cailan and Anora knew which is why they never slept together and lacked an heir but Anora wanted to keep the throne and Cailan didn't want another political marriage or a wife that would really care if he slept with whoever he felt like.