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[AlanC9]

Novadove wrote...
we are gonna keep asking these "where are all our friends? we gonna build relationships all over again?"

 Which "we" is going to be asking that? I consider them the Warden's friends, not mine.

[Befit]

Siradix wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

But playing as the Warden.......what would we DO?

We killed the frikken Archdemon!

Only four people in the history of Thedas have pulled that off, and never so quickly and with so little damage.

Seriously, what would we do? Have another Blight? No thanks.

Every story comes to a point where its time to move on.

What irks me is that this achievement is a footnote compared to the mighty Hawke.

EXACTLY!! what in the world could Hawke do that's more important then stopping the blight? Which from what i gatherd from the lore is the worst thing that could happend to the world.

Modifié par Befit, 01 août 2010 - 06:47 .

[Fishy]

Vaeliorin wrote...

Sappy69 wrote...
If Bioware wants to make a new game (and not DLC or expansion) with the Warden in it, they can simply say "ok, you start at Lvl 1, but if you import a character you'll start at Lvl 5" or some other arbitrary number, without resorting to any "memory-loss", "died and came back to life" or any other such lame excuse.

Except of course for the fact that your Warden would come back missing a good 20 some skills...which would make no sense within the setting (and though I'm not as adamant about setting coherence as Sylvius, even I have my limits.)

Story and lore wise the Warden don't learn how to cast cone of cold after  he killed the 40th badger . Morrigan know  shapeshifting even if you don't spec her for it.Just like  how Flemeth will be level 20 or 10 depending of your character level when you confront her.

Sten ain't a weakling when you meet him.Even though at the beginning he can barely kill a rats.
Sight
I'm done.

Bioware need to explain it .. Make a thread or something 

My character is a GODLIKE at VERY EASY DIFFICULTY!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!
But at nightmare he's weak

Modifié par Suprez30, 01 août 2010 - 06:51 .

[Befit]

I agree with that the skills is just a game mechanic. Does it change the story that i learned Critical strike instead of Mighty blow?

[Harcken]

There doesn't have to be an "escape" and he isn't left in the middle. He did his job as a Grey Warden and defeated the Archdemon, his main story is done. Maybe he lived to be older and underwent his calling, maybe he chased Morrigan, maybe he traveled around, or maybe he sat in a log cabin. His "epic journey" is over, he's at the end not the middle. Like you said, do you really want him to be more god-like than he already is?

[Vicious]

EXACTLY!! what in the world could Hawke do that's more important then stopping the blight?

The hero from DAO1 stopped the blight before it really started - other countries had barely become aware of it, and it certainly didn't threaten them. In a few hundred years his name will take a backseat to the Grey Wardens, who will get the overall credit for again, stopping a blight.







Warden fails. When people reference The Warden in DAO, they typically reference the organization and him being a representative of it. They don't say, <Loghain put a bounty for CHARNAME!> they say, <LOGHAIN PUT A BOUNTY FOR THE WARDENS!>







Just a stock hero who surprise surprise, ultimately saves the day. Vs. Hawke, A legend in his own time who pushes the world to the brink of a great war.

[Befit]

Harcken wrote...

There doesn't have to be an "escape" and he isn't left in the middle. He did his job as a Grey Warden and defeated the Archdemon, his main story is done. Maybe he lived to be older and underwent his calling, maybe he chased Morrigan, maybe he traveled around, or maybe he sat in a log cabin. His "epic journey" is over, he's at the end not the middle. Like you said, do you really want him to be more god-like than he already is?

Just because some did something amazing dosn't mean they have to be god-like. All these skills in-game are only there to make the COMBAT interesting amd have no affect to the STORY

[Befit]

Vicious wrote...

EXACTLY!! what in the world could Hawke do that's more important then stopping the blight?

The hero from DAO1 stopped the blight before it really started - other countries had barely become aware of it, and it certainly didn't threaten them. In a few hundred years his name will take a backseat to the Grey Wardens, who will get the overall credit for again, stopping a blight.



Warden fails. When people reference The Warden in DAO, they typically reference the organization and him being a representative of it. They don't say, they say,



Just a stock hero who surprise surprise, ultimately saves the day. Vs. Hawke, A legend in his own time who pushes the world to the brink of a great war.

Yet there are songs and Ballads made out to each one that did. The warden also becomes the HERO OF FERELDAN who also gave Ozammar a new king, saved the circle tower, either completely wiped out a dalish tribe or indirectly helped them get a new home land, and stopped a coup at the landsmeet. But u're right a stock hero

[Befit]

filaminstrel wrote...

Befit wrote...

EXACTLY!! what in the world could Hawke do that's more important then stopping the blight?

Stop a blight of another sort-- the Chantry.

The darkspawn aren't the only subject to explore about Thedas.

True but is it really more important? The chantry aren't trying to destroy the world just rule it lol

[Befit]

filaminstrel wrote...

Well it depends on what Hawke does, I suppose. We'll have to wait and see. Andraste became pretty darn important without spending much time worrying about darkspawn.

lol personally I don't think what she did was that important. religions just like nations come and go with the passage of time. However evil monsters that come out of the ground to destroy the world can't really be ignored

[Poleaxe]

To tell the truth, I wish the sequel was in a different time frame as well as starring a new hero.



But at any rate, I think that many people here identify with their characters (and their charcter's friends) a bit too strongly. In life we should have recurring characters, and games are a poor substitute for interpersonal relationships. Games (art) should have recurring themes, in this way it is instructive and entertaining.

[Seifz]

Befit wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Well it depends on what Hawke does, I suppose. We'll have to wait and see. Andraste became pretty darn important without spending much time worrying about darkspawn.

lol personally I don't think what she did was that important. religions just like nations come and go with the passage of time. However evil monsters that come out of the ground to destroy the world can't really be ignored

But the evil monsters are gone.  Nobody's going to think about them again for hundreds, or maybe thousands of years.  What Andraste did changed the world.  Leaders changed, borders changed, the way the world sees magic changed.  She united almost the entire world behind her banner.  That's huge.  Yes, religions come and go.  But while they're here, they shape the world more than just about any other force.  Our own planet Earth is a good example of that. 

Anyway, I see it like this.  The world of Dragon Age is a new one.  It wasn't built to tell the story of one Grey Warden.  That story was only the first of many stories to be told.  Over time, we'll see the IP develop from a number of view points.  We'll see different nations, peoples, cultures, times.  Maybe the Blight is the worst thing to happen to Thedas, or maybe it's not.  There's more to the world than Thedas, though.  Where are the Qunari from?  They have no Blight there.  Etc.

The best part?  Every story that we're a part of, all the history that we read, is ambiguous.  There is no "this happened, then this happened, then this happened."  It's perfect.

[Befit]

Seifz wrote...

Befit wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Well it depends on what Hawke does, I suppose. We'll have to wait and see. Andraste became pretty darn important without spending much time worrying about darkspawn.

lol personally I don't think what she did was that important. religions just like nations come and go with the passage of time. However evil monsters that come out of the ground to destroy the world can't really be ignored

But the evil monsters are gone.  Nobody's going to think about them again for hundreds, or maybe thousands of years.  What Andraste did changed the world.  Leaders changed, borders changed, the way the world sees magic changed.  She united almost the entire world behind her banner.  That's huge.  Yes, religions come and go.  But while they're here, they shape the world more than just about any other force.  Our own planet Earth is a good example of that. 

Anyway, I see it like this.  The world of Dragon Age is a new one.  It wasn't built to tell the story of one Grey Warden.  That story was only the first of many stories to be told.  Over time, we'll see the IP develop from a number of view points.  We'll see different nations, peoples, cultures, times.  Maybe the Blight is the worst thing to happen to Thedas, or maybe it's not.  There's more to the world than Thedas, though.  Where are the Qunari from?  They have no Blight there.  Etc.

The best part?  Every story that we're a part of, all the history that we read, is ambiguous.  There is no "this happened, then this happened, then this happened."  It's perfect.

Actually no they are underground, we just can't see them and so leave the dwarves to deal with it while we argue over trivial things. Earth never had to face anything like a blight, if we did then anything before could never compare, except maybe the holocaust. And what Andraste did is only temporary soon those leaders will change and those borders will too. People will always seek to conquer others. So one gaining power over another is not a surprising development, it's what time and nature demand.
And I doubt there is anything as bad as a blight where the qunari are from since they were able to form a stable society. Didn't they send Sten to investigate it just in case? Just because a place never felt an event doesn't mean that it's any less threating

Modifié par Befit, 01 août 2010 - 09:40 .

[Thiefy]

i'm a little surprised people are still talking about this. i mean clearly neither side is going to convince the other to change their opinions.   there's really no point in arguing with other people about it, some will like hawke, some will not, but why does it really matter either way? everyone is so busy trying to point out how someone else it wrong, they can't see that both side are right.

or maybe i'm just the crazy fool that believes there is more than one truth to something even if they contradict each other.

[Sneelonz]

The would LOVE to play the Warden, but he died.

[Aedan_Cousland]

As much as I love the Warden I'm glad we are playing with a completely different character this time around. Honestly, after defeating the Archdemon what is there left to do for the Warden? As long as the Dragon Age series continues I hope Bioware sticks with setting each game in a different region of Thedas with a new protaganist. There are plenty of great stories to tell beyond the Warden's story, or Hawke's.

That being said I do think the choices you made in previous games should have some impact in sequels, whether that is meeting NPCs that make reference to the PC and his (or her) deeds in a previous game, or unlocking Codex entries that tell you more about that PC after the previous game ended. For example if you played as a human noble and ended up as Chancellor of Ferelden, maybe Hawke encounters an ambassador from Ferelden to one of the Lords in the Free Marches, who was sent there on a diplomatic mission by the Chancellor. Maybe Hawke can inquire about him or her in dialogue as well. Or if you were the first Elven Bann of Denerim, maybe Hawk finds a book in an Elven settlement opening up a codex entry that talks about the good deeds being done for the City Elves of Denerim by  that character beyond the epilogue of the first game.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 02 août 2010 - 01:12 .

[Malanek]

I hope we never play the Warden again in a full game or expansion. At the end of origins, the differing motivations and situations that the warden could find themself in were staggering. Writing a convincing story given the different number of starting points is virtually impossible. You could be Queen or King, a paragon or dead, running after Morrigan or ruling the cricle of magi, you could be running the Alienage or the kings mistress etc etc. One of the big criticisms (justified IMO) that Awakening had was that it basically ignored all of this and was not what a lot of people, unrealistically, expected. I'm all for a new character.

[wwwwowwww]

Why is it so many people now a days feels everyone owes them something?



When you purchased DA:O the only thing Bioware or EA owed you was a good game for the price you paid, and I believe they accomplished that and then some. However, they owe you nothing more beyond what you paid for, period.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Befit wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Well it depends on what Hawke does, I suppose. We'll have to wait and see. Andraste became pretty darn important without spending much time worrying about darkspawn.

lol personally I don't think what she did was that important. religions just like nations come and go with the passage of time. However evil monsters that come out of the ground to destroy the world can't really be ignored

I agree that the darkspawn are an immediate and urgent concern whenever they turn up.  And there are two more Blights.  But you can't tell me that freaking ANDRASTE isn't important.  She threw down the most powerful empire in Thedas at the time and established an enormously powerful religion whose social, political, and even economic clout stretches all across Thedas.

Also see: the great monotheistic faiths, Hinduism, Buddhism, and other major faiths around the world.  These have lasted for thousands of years, and their imprint upon our world is indelible.  Hell, even "dead" faiths like Greek mythology continue to have an impact.  When you believe something, it results in a difference of behavior.  And that difference of behavior, when compounded over millions of people and generations of time, has an impact.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 02 août 2010 - 01:45 .

[AlanC9]

Either way someone would have done it before, so that makes no difference.

[Morroian]

Befit wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...
stop a blight of another sort-- the Chantry.

The darkspawn aren't the only subject to explore about Thedas.

True but is it really more important? The chantry aren't trying to destroy the world just rule it lol

IMHO you guys are misreading the publicity. At the time of DAO the Warden is the most important person on Thedas, after that probably not at all even if he becomes a legendary figure. The Wardens aren't important except in times of blight. In 10 years time Hawke has become a more important figure especially if he achieves something that fundamentally changes the political landscape of the world. For all that the Warden did in saving it he didn't fundamentally change it.