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[Discus]

I don't know if anyone posted something like this before but I just feel like I need to be a voice for another opinion than what I see on the forums lately.

It seems some times that the only opinions that are being expressed are by the people who seem to believe that DA2 is everything they never would want it to be or how very suspiscious they are of DA2s direction. And I am for sure that there are loads of people that feel the complete opposite. That are actually excited by the things they have heard so far, that are actually really curious about what Bioware has in store for us. I know I have done similar posts before but this one is specifically related to what we know about DA2s direction so far. I am happy Bioware is taking the direction they are taking and creating a new story for us to experience and interact with.

So I see a lot of people saying how they would love to continue their warden storyline and if not they will be really dissapointed. Well, personally I would be quite bored to fight another blight and squeeze out every little bit of juice out of the Origins character. I even like some of the mystery in the Wardens ending, where did he go, what will he do, who knows? And I guess that is up to our own imagination. Like someone said once in the forums, perhaps letting the Warden come back in DA3 in a new context could be interesting, the context being the world that Hawke shaped. But even then that would only be interesting for me if the Warden had to take on another role. And I would also not mind DA3 being even another completely new story, or perhaps a continuation of an old story but with a new character in a different part of Thedas. That could be done by for example having a new person deal with the mistakes-of-the-past-kind-of-idea. But again, even then, I am all for the new stories, the new contexts, the new perspectives -- the new dilemmas and possibilities to enrich the world of Thedas instead of grinding one story. This is what you see some TV shows doing and all you are thinking is, why didn't you just stop it when it was actually finished? TV shows like Six Feet Under are historic because of their artistic integrity and not because they went on forever. Bioware is giving us new perspectives on our previous choices and the world of Thedas and I think this is exciting. Milk the cow while the milk still tastes good, not until it dies from over milking.

As I have understood and which has been confirmed, some of our choices, maybe many, and probably the most profound choices from Origins and Awakenings will be transfered to DA2. So this means a new character, new story but still the same world which has been shaped by us and how we played the previous stories. To me that is even cooler than playing the Warden again. This lets you experience how your choices affects the world and then you can see the consequences of your choices from a new perspective, how does someone else respond to your actions. You get to play more than just a one sided story and still be part of creating it. Pretty rad to me!

Whatever DA2 will be I have confidence that Bioware will do their best to surprise us, entertain us, touch us, engage us, excite us and tell a fantastic story. Dissappointments usually have their source in expecting the same. Someone once told me that "I make a point of wondering what the next coming day and night will
bring... If I expect more of the same, I notice I get more of the same.
Cultivating curiosity is a life passion for me."

Discus

[Chuvvy]

You spelled discuss wrong.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Disappointment tends to be louder than contentment. I am tentatively optimistic about the DA2 design direction, as are many on the forums answering the complaints. Any time people feel that something is being taken away from them (whether or not it derives from a misplaced feeling of entitlement), they are going to be upset.



I remember WotC announcing the coming of 4th Edition D&D about a year out, in order to let the rage spend itself before the actual release. The change in edition really made some players feel betrayed; it was like watching primal scream therapy on the boards. Some of the them have probably quietly picked up 4th Edition, and some have stayed with some variation of 3rd.



No one likes to feel like his preferences are becoming obsolete, though. It's a lonely feeling. The normal arguments will ensue, and fans of the new game must be branded as the Philistines that they undoubtedly are.



Nerdrage. Nerdrage never changes.



/Ron Perlman

[Bobad]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Disappointment tends to be louder than contentment. I am tentatively optimistic about the DA2 design direction, as are many on the forums answering the complaints. Any time people feel that something is being taken away from them (whether or not it derives from a misplaced feeling of entitlement), they are going to be upset.

I remember WotC announcing the coming of 4th Edition D&D about a year out, in order to let the rage spend itself before the actual release. The change in edition really made some players feel betrayed; it was like watching primal scream therapy on the boards. Some of the them have probably quietly picked up 4th Edition, and some have stayed with some variation of 3rd.

No one likes to feel like his preferences are becoming obsolete, though. It's a lonely feeling. The normal arguments will ensue, and fans of the new game must be branded as the Philistines that they undoubtedly are.

Nerdrage. Nerdrage never changes.

/Ron Perlman

I couldn't agree more.

[HopHazzard]

Discus wrote...
As I have understood and which has been confirmed, some of our choices, maybe many, and probably the most profound choices from Origins and Awakenings will be transfered to DA2. So this means a new character, new story but still the same world which has been shaped by us and how we played the previous stories. To me that is even cooler than playing the Warden again. This lets you experience how your choices affects the world and then you can see the consequences of your choices from a new perspective, how does someone else respond to your actions. You get to play more than just a one sided story and still be part of creating it. Pretty rad to me!

I'm excited about the game for this very reason. I'm very interested to see how my decisions effected the world. Not just in the broad epilogue sort of way, but in the way they change the lives of individual people.

[LdyShayna]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

No one likes to feel like his preferences are becoming obsolete, though. It's a lonely feeling.

More frustrating than lonely.  I believe in facing reality when it's staring you down like a rabid, bug-eyed weasel, though.  Even if it means I need to say good-bye to a bunch of people I like talking to.

That's the lonely feeling, and why I visited again.  But I can already tell I'm not going to be staying long.

EDIT: Though I'm one of those reviled "I hate voice acted PCs" people, and not one of the equally scorned "I want to continue with my Warden" people. 

Modifié par LdyShayna, 29 juillet 2010 - 03:52 .

[Bobad]

fchopin wrote...


Nice discus, will he be in the Olympics?

Unlikely, it's just a picture.  Of a statue.  Modelled on someone that's probably dead.



The thread title is more applicable to Tantum Dic Verbo's reply though.

Modifié par Bobad, 29 juillet 2010 - 03:49 .

[Valthier]

While I do have more than a few reservations... I would definitely agree that I'm glad it isn't the Warden in Dragon Age 2.



Don't get me wrong, I love all my Wardens. But I love them for their uniqueness, for the fact that in their epilogues not all of them would have kept adventuring or kept on with the Grey Warden schtick. I didn't even take any of them into Awakening because I thought their epilogues at the end of Origins were pretty much perfect. It was the same with my Shepard - I've still held off on getting Mass Effect 2 because, among other things, if she's going to go adventuring through space more it would feel strange to do it without Kaiden and Wrex at her side. So when I do get it I'll probably boot up a whole new Shepard for the experience.



So given the chance to put on a different pair of shoes, see different parts of the world, see echoes of what my Wardens did from afar? Well, I think that's just great, and even with my aforementioned other reservations I have absolutely no problem with this aspect of Dragon Age 2.

[fchopin]

Well with Flemeth around he could become an undead, maybe a new mage power.

[Vaendi]

Slidell505 wrote...

You spelled discuss wrong.

An astute observation-oh wait, didn't see his display name, did you now.

I agree with all your sentiments, by the way.

[Rubbish Hero]

Discus wrote...It seems some times that the only opinions that are being expressed are by the people who seem to believe that DA2 is everything they never would want it to be or how very suspiscious they are of DA2s direction. And I am for sure that there are loads of people that feel the complete opposite. That are actually excited by the things they have heard so far, that are actually really curious about what Bioware has in store for us. I know I have done similar posts before but this one is specifically related to what we know about DA2s direction so far. I am happy Bioware is taking the direction they are taking and creating a new story for us to experience and interact with.

Alot of people didn't even start on Bioware games until KOTOR and  Mass Effect. Some people don't play pc games at all. Some people haven't even heard  of Baldurs Gate. When people talk about "old school" and
"CRPG" they  probably can't comprehend what they haven't  experienced.  It's also a pretty bad thing to think new automatically  means better, design decisions especially with pc, now more console focused games tend to be dictated by money more than anything else.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:03 .

[justlogme]

Discus wrote...

I don't know if anyone posted something like this before but I just feel like I need to be a voice for another opinion than what I see on the forums lately.

It seems some times that the only opinions that are being expressed are by the people who seem to believe that DA2 is everything they never would want it to be or how very suspiscious they are of DA2s direction. And I am for sure that there are loads of people that feel the complete opposite. That are actually excited by the things they have heard so far, that are actually really curious about what Bioware has in store for us. I know I have done similar posts before but this one is specifically related to what we know about DA2s direction so far. I am happy Bioware is taking the direction they are taking and creating a new story for us to experience and interact with.

So I see a lot of people saying how they would love to continue their warden storyline and if not they will be really dissapointed. Well, personally I would be quite bored to fight another blight and squeeze out every little bit of juice out of the Origins character. I even like some of the mystery in the Wardens ending, where did he go, what will he do, who knows? And I guess that is up to our own imagination. Like someone said once in the forums, perhaps letting the Warden come back in DA3 in a new context could be interesting, the context being the world that Hawke shaped. But even then that would only be interesting for me if the Warden had to take on another role. And I would also not mind DA3 being even another completely new story, or perhaps a continuation of an old story but with a new character in a different part of Thedas. That could be done by for example having a new person deal with the mistakes-of-the-past-kind-of-idea. But again, even then, I am all for the new stories, the new contexts, the new perspectives -- the new dilemmas and possibilities to enrich the world of Thedas instead of grinding one story. This is what you see some TV shows doing and all you are thinking is, why didn't you just stop it when it was actually finished? TV shows like Six Feet Under are historic because of their artistic integrity and not because they went on forever. Bioware is giving us new perspectives on our previous choices and the world of Thedas and I think this is exciting. Milk the cow while the milk still tastes good, not until it dies from over milking.

As I have understood and which has been confirmed, some of our choices, maybe many, and probably the most profound choices from Origins and Awakenings will be transfered to DA2. So this means a new character, new story but still the same world which has been shaped by us and how we played the previous stories. To me that is even cooler than playing the Warden again. This lets you experience how your choices affects the world and then you can see the consequences of your choices from a new perspective, how does someone else respond to your actions. You get to play more than just a one sided story and still be part of creating it. Pretty rad to me!

Whatever DA2 will be I have confidence that Bioware will do their best to surprise us, entertain us, touch us, engage us, excite us and tell a fantastic story. Dissappointments usually have their source in expecting the same. Someone once told me that "I make a point of wondering what the next coming day and night will
bring... If I expect more of the same, I notice I get more of the same.
Cultivating curiosity is a life passion for me."

Discus

   Your opinion is your opinion and nothing more, just as mine is nothing more then my opinion. Its great we can both post our opinions here. You like the DA2 direction, I don't. Your bored with your DA warden and Think Hawke will somehow be better. I on the other hand prefer my warden  with the name I picked, and the race i picked and want to see the out come of the choices i made. I'm not so hot to be called hawke and given the voice Bioware feels i should have and be made a human character because Bioware thinks thats whats best for me. <shrug>
   Different opinions nothing more or less really and both carry about the same weight. You can buy DA2,and i can vote with my wallet and just cointinue to buy DA DLC that involves my warden. Freedom of choice is a great thing.
 I in general i will always vote for more choices like DA1 had over the less choices DA2 is limiting us too. I think Mass Effect would be a much better game if they allowed players to pick their own race as well. We are all born human its a real shame that in our fantasy/scifi games we have to be limited to playing humans as well.

  Some might point out DA2 is a downward slide. as Bioware removes more and more options and choices it makes it easier (and cheaper!) for them to make the games, till slowly and gradually once again we are back playing games with very little choices/options and in which our choices make no difference at all. Sorry had enough of those games back in the 90's

[AlanC9]

justlogme wrote...
 I think Mass Effect would be a much better game if they allowed players to pick their own race as well.

Of course, that would require throwing out the entire plot and replacing it with something more generic.

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:51 .

[HopHazzard]

justlogme wrote...

Discus wrote...

I don't know if anyone posted something like this before but I just feel like I need to be a voice for another opinion than what I see on the forums lately.

It seems some times that the only opinions that are being expressed are by the people who seem to believe that DA2 is everything they never would want it to be or how very suspiscious they are of DA2s direction. And I am for sure that there are loads of people that feel the complete opposite. That are actually excited by the things they have heard so far, that are actually really curious about what Bioware has in store for us. I know I have done similar posts before but this one is specifically related to what we know about DA2s direction so far. I am happy Bioware is taking the direction they are taking and creating a new story for us to experience and interact with.

So I see a lot of people saying how they would love to continue their warden storyline and if not they will be really dissapointed. Well, personally I would be quite bored to fight another blight and squeeze out every little bit of juice out of the Origins character. I even like some of the mystery in the Wardens ending, where did he go, what will he do, who knows? And I guess that is up to our own imagination. Like someone said once in the forums, perhaps letting the Warden come back in DA3 in a new context could be interesting, the context being the world that Hawke shaped. But even then that would only be interesting for me if the Warden had to take on another role. And I would also not mind DA3 being even another completely new story, or perhaps a continuation of an old story but with a new character in a different part of Thedas. That could be done by for example having a new person deal with the mistakes-of-the-past-kind-of-idea. But again, even then, I am all for the new stories, the new contexts, the new perspectives -- the new dilemmas and possibilities to enrich the world of Thedas instead of grinding one story. This is what you see some TV shows doing and all you are thinking is, why didn't you just stop it when it was actually finished? TV shows like Six Feet Under are historic because of their artistic integrity and not because they went on forever. Bioware is giving us new perspectives on our previous choices and the world of Thedas and I think this is exciting. Milk the cow while the milk still tastes good, not until it dies from over milking.

As I have understood and which has been confirmed, some of our choices, maybe many, and probably the most profound choices from Origins and Awakenings will be transfered to DA2. So this means a new character, new story but still the same world which has been shaped by us and how we played the previous stories. To me that is even cooler than playing the Warden again. This lets you experience how your choices affects the world and then you can see the consequences of your choices from a new perspective, how does someone else respond to your actions. You get to play more than just a one sided story and still be part of creating it. Pretty rad to me!

Whatever DA2 will be I have confidence that Bioware will do their best to surprise us, entertain us, touch us, engage us, excite us and tell a fantastic story. Dissappointments usually have their source in expecting the same. Someone once told me that "I make a point of wondering what the next coming day and night will
bring... If I expect more of the same, I notice I get more of the same.
Cultivating curiosity is a life passion for me."

Discus

   Your opinion is your opinion and nothing more, just as mine is nothing more then my opinion. Its great we can both post our opinions here. You like the DA2 direction, I don't. Your bored with your DA warden and Think Hawke will somehow be better. I on the other hand prefer my warden  with the name I picked, and the race i picked and want to see the out come of the choices i made. I'm not so hot to be called hawke and given the voice Bioware feels i should have and be made a human character because Bioware thinks thats whats best for me.
   Different opinions nothing more or less really and both carry about the same weight. You can buy DA2,and i can vote with my wallet and just cointinue to buy DA DLC that involves my warden. Freedom of choice is a great thing.
 I in general i will always vote for more choices like DA1 had over the less choices DA2 is limiting us too. I think Mass Effect would be a much better game if they allowed players to pick their own race as well. We are all born human its a real shame that in our fantasy/scifi games we have to be limited to playing humans as well.

  Some might point out DA2 is a downward slide. as Bioware removes more and more options and choices it makes it easier (and cheaper!) for them to make the games, till slowly and gradually once again we are back playing games with very little choices/options and in which our choices make no difference at all. Sorry had enough of those games back in the 90's

Your opinion is your opinion. The OP's opinion is the OP's opinion. My opinion is that it would be nice if there could be at least one thread where those of us who are enthusiastic about what we've seen can discuss our enthusiasm without someone feeling the need to come into the thread and talk about all the ways they think DA2 will suck. I know that's never going to happen though.

[gotthammer]

It's all a matter of preference. I personally would want to continue as my Warden. Regardless of whatever drives that preference, well, that's my preference.



I'd still get DA2 with the hopes that, someday, there'll be more stories of the Warden to be told/played.

[Lyssistr]

 A quote from kotaku's Starcraft "impressions" article,

 Of course, Blizzard couldn't have done it any other way. Starcraft's fanbase was too large, too entrenched in its ways, too reliant on the nuances of play during competitive matches for the developers to go making Company of Heroes with Space Marines. In making the sequel to Starcraft, Blizzard could only make, well, the sequel to Starcraft. More of the same, only bigger, and brighter.

source http://kotaku.com/55...yer-impressions.

Moving away from your fanbase is not always a smart move. I'm not saying DA2 will indeed move away from Bioware's fan base, but if the fears of a hack & slash game turn out to be true, it may not be good for the game, sales-wise.

[Aratham Darksight]

AlanC9 wrote...

justlogme wrote...
 I think Mass Effect would be a much better game if they allowed players to pick their own race as well.

Of course, that would require throwing out the entire plot and replacing it with something more generic.

Throw out the entire plot, yes. Replace it with something more generic, not necessarily. I can imagine plenty of great stories in the ME setting that wouldn't depend on the protagonist being of a specific race. These stories might not be the best jumping on point to the Mass Effect universe for newcomers, however.

I'm hoping that if there are indeed ME games once the trilogy is over, they will open up a wider selection of protagonists.

[gotthammer]

HopHazzard wrote...

Your opinion is your opinion. The OP's opinion is the OP's opinion. My opinion is that it would be nice if there could be at least one thread where those of us who are enthusiastic about what we've seen can discuss our enthusiasm without someone feeling the need to come into the thread and talk about all the ways they think DA2 will suck. I know that's never going to happen though.

I don't think DA2 will 'suck'. Sure, I'm disappointed that I won't be playing as the Warden I've grown attached to, but I honestly don't think I'll be shelling out cash for a game that I believe will suck.  (and, as I have mentioned, I'm pretty set on buying it. CE and all that)

It's just that there's nothing that's 'grabbed at me' that's made me enthusiastic or really excited, yet. 
What little screenshots I've seen do seem interesting (particularly the architecture of the few structures shows), but that's it.

[mdfitz2]

the only two things that ive heard that bother me are that you can only be a human and the new look for the qunari everything else im fine with

Modifié par mdfitz2, 29 juillet 2010 - 06:10 .

[mdfitz2]

hit quote instead of edit sorry

Modifié par mdfitz2, 29 juillet 2010 - 06:10 .

[bzombo]

justlogme wrote...

Discus wrote...

I don't know if anyone posted something like this before but I just feel like I need to be a voice for another opinion than what I see on the forums lately.

It seems some times that the only opinions that are being expressed are by the people who seem to believe that DA2 is everything they never would want it to be or how very suspiscious they are of DA2s direction. And I am for sure that there are loads of people that feel the complete opposite. That are actually excited by the things they have heard so far, that are actually really curious about what Bioware has in store for us. I know I have done similar posts before but this one is specifically related to what we know about DA2s direction so far. I am happy Bioware is taking the direction they are taking and creating a new story for us to experience and interact with.

So I see a lot of people saying how they would love to continue their warden storyline and if not they will be really dissapointed. Well, personally I would be quite bored to fight another blight and squeeze out every little bit of juice out of the Origins character. I even like some of the mystery in the Wardens ending, where did he go, what will he do, who knows? And I guess that is up to our own imagination. Like someone said once in the forums, perhaps letting the Warden come back in DA3 in a new context could be interesting, the context being the world that Hawke shaped. But even then that would only be interesting for me if the Warden had to take on another role. And I would also not mind DA3 being even another completely new story, or perhaps a continuation of an old story but with a new character in a different part of Thedas. That could be done by for example having a new person deal with the mistakes-of-the-past-kind-of-idea. But again, even then, I am all for the new stories, the new contexts, the new perspectives -- the new dilemmas and possibilities to enrich the world of Thedas instead of grinding one story. This is what you see some TV shows doing and all you are thinking is, why didn't you just stop it when it was actually finished? TV shows like Six Feet Under are historic because of their artistic integrity and not because they went on forever. Bioware is giving us new perspectives on our previous choices and the world of Thedas and I think this is exciting. Milk the cow while the milk still tastes good, not until it dies from over milking.

As I have understood and which has been confirmed, some of our choices, maybe many, and probably the most profound choices from Origins and Awakenings will be transfered to DA2. So this means a new character, new story but still the same world which has been shaped by us and how we played the previous stories. To me that is even cooler than playing the Warden again. This lets you experience how your choices affects the world and then you can see the consequences of your choices from a new perspective, how does someone else respond to your actions. You get to play more than just a one sided story and still be part of creating it. Pretty rad to me!

Whatever DA2 will be I have confidence that Bioware will do their best to surprise us, entertain us, touch us, engage us, excite us and tell a fantastic story. Dissappointments usually have their source in expecting the same. Someone once told me that "I make a point of wondering what the next coming day and night will
bring... If I expect more of the same, I notice I get more of the same.
Cultivating curiosity is a life passion for me."

Discus

   Your opinion is your opinion and nothing more, just as mine is nothing more then my opinion. Its great we can both post our opinions here. You like the DA2 direction, I don't. Your bored with your DA warden and Think Hawke will somehow be better. I on the other hand prefer my warden  with the name I picked, and the race i picked and want to see the out come of the choices i made. I'm not so hot to be called hawke and given the voice Bioware feels i should have and be made a human character because Bioware thinks thats whats best for me.
   Different opinions nothing more or less really and both carry about the same weight. You can buy DA2,and i can vote with my wallet and just cointinue to buy DA DLC that involves my warden. Freedom of choice is a great thing.
 I in general i will always vote for more choices like DA1 had over the less choices DA2 is limiting us too. I think Mass Effect would be a much better game if they allowed players to pick their own race as well. We are all born human its a real shame that in our fantasy/scifi games we have to be limited to playing humans as well.

  Some might point out DA2 is a downward slide. as Bioware removes more and more options and choices it makes it easier (and cheaper!) for them to make the games, till slowly and gradually once again we are back playing games with very little choices/options and in which our choices make no difference at all. Sorry had enough of those games back in the 90's

hawke is the last name, just like the human noble origin. you still pick your name. i don't see the big deal here.

[Koffeegirl]

I think the reason why some of the PC gamers seem so upset isn't just necessarily about DA2, but they are fearful that PC gaming as a whole is dying. There are not as many games that come out nowadays that are exclusive to the PC (excluding Blizzard's) , I personally believe this is because 1. the potential for $ on the consoles is huge and 2. the "exclusive game" is dying....it makes more sense for games to come out across platforms than on just one system........better sales for the developers 3, If a game works on a console it works on everyone;s console where with PCs it depends on the system requirements, etc.

Also the games that play to advantages of consoles don't always play as nice on the PC and that hold true the other way as well....look at DAO

I think many PC gamers are afraid that DA2 will be better on consoles, and are also upset at the dwindle of good PC games out there.....walk into a game store and see the very small section of PC games available compared to consoles. I played Tombraider, Diablo, Warcraft, BG I and II, even FFVII etc all on the PC back in the day.......you don't have that selection anymore.

I personally am excited for DA2 and have a console and a PC....I prefer playing games on my PC because I've always been more of a computer gamer, but I enjoy my console games too. But I think a lot of the panic over DA2 is less about DA2 and more over the deep-seated fear that computer gaming is dying.....especially since Bioware started out as a computer gaming company. Perhaps, people who love playing games on the PC are afraid that this is a platform that is losing interest and support and it greatly upsets them

I think DA2 will be a fun game and plan to buy it, but I think these are some of the issues that the PC gamers have and understandably.....

[geekeffect]

Slidell505 wrote...

You spelled discuss wrong.

Dude, you're either very silly or have a really refined sense of irony.

The OP gets 30 approval points from me...

[gotthammer]

^
Hmm. As a PC gamer (no 'current gen' console currently owned, but I want a PS3 ), I don't even feel that PC gaming is, in any way, dying: big and small developers/publishers are still coming out w/ new titles anyway. I don't see any problem w/ multi-platform releases, either (except maybe the so-called 'consolization' of the gameplay: but those games which tend to have those issues, as far as I'm concerned, I usually get not for the gameplay, but for the story/visuals/etc. If I wanted complex, after all, I can always re-install Supreme Ruler or Hearts of Iron )

Is there a dwindling of good games on the PC? It depends on your taste, I guess. I've been pretty occupied w/ a fair amount of recent releases (oh, and Steam's recent SALE).

But that's me. And my only 'gripe' is the Warden 'issue'. :innocent:

PC gaming dying? Maybe when developers stop making games using PCs...oh wait...

Modifié par gotthammer, 29 juillet 2010 - 06:40 .

[Saibh]

geekeffect wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

You spelled discuss wrong.

Dude, you're either very silly or have a really refined sense of irony.

The OP gets 30 approval points from me...

If I were Slidell and I were wrong, I'd keep my mouth shut so people could think either way. That or just lie.