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[Estelindis]

I hope so. He was the coolest character in the book. (It actually really bothered me how awesome he seemed considering some of the terrible things he did. But I guess "badass" isn't a character alignment.)

[anmiro]

 I hope Kai Leng is in ME3 and that we the players have the opportunity to kill him. I was so disappointed when he escaped with his life in Retribution. Anderson should have shot him in the spine instead of his legs.

Modifié par anmiro, 27 septembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[przemichal]

I'm almost sure he will play some role in ME3. Squaddie or boss, most likely. I'd also like to see Kahlee at some point (I was expecting her to pop up in ME2 somewhere in fact).

[Godeskian]

Actually, ascension did have one important effect on me2. That attack by cerberus on the flotilla that tali and the quarians keep mentioning? That happened in ascension

[Barquiel]

He's Aria's loyalty mission in ME3:devil:

[jbblue05]

I find it hard to believe some people are sympatheic to Aria and Liselle just because their related.

I wonder if their was a side story about one of the Turians who were killed. What if this Turian was going to the hospital to see the birth of his first-born and only became a mercenary to help take care of his child. Would you all be sympatheic to Aria and Liselle?

What if Kai had a friend or family member who were brutally killed by Aria's people?

Aria and Liselle are corrupt they're not good people.
Good people don't kill other people over protection money and drugs

Aria will never find out about Kai Leng unless Kai Leng tells Shepard and than Shepard tells Aria

Modifié par jbblue05, 27 septembre 2010 - 03:43 .

[Gabey5]

shepard would eat his lunch

[Randy1012]

jbblue05 wrote...

What if Kai had a friend or family member who were brutally killed by Aria's people?

Then it would have been mentioned in Retribution. Instead he murders a helpless woman just because he's a racist *****.

jbblue05 wrote...

Aria and Liselle are corrupt they're not good people.
Good people don't kill other people over protection money and drugs

Of course they're not good people, but that doesn't make it okay to murder one of them in cold blood when they can't defend themselves. Kai Leng is arguably worse than either Aria or Liselle.

Modifié par Randy1083, 27 septembre 2010 - 10:21 .

[anmiro]

jbblue05 wrote...

I find it hard to believe some people are sympatheic to Aria and Liselle just because their related.

I wonder if their was a side story about one of the Turians who were killed. What if this Turian was going to the hospital to see the birth of his first-born and only became a mercenary to help take care of his child. Would you all be sympatheic to Aria and Liselle?

What if Kai had a friend or family member who were brutally killed by Aria's people?

Aria and Liselle are corrupt they're not good people.
Good people don't kill other people over protection money and drugs

Aria will never find out about Kai Leng unless Kai Leng tells Shepard and than Shepard tells Aria

I could care less about Aria. But I am sympathetic to Grayson and so vicariously to Liselle. Kai slit her throat while she was unconscious. I don't know why but I find that infuriating.

[jbblue05]

Randy1083 wrote...

Then it would have been mentioned in Retribution. Instead he murders a helpless woman just because he's a racist *****.

That's complete BS get your facts straight.
Do you understand the meaning of being hypotheical I never said it was the truth?

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Of course they're not good people, but that doesn't make it okay to murder one of them in cold blood when they can't defend themselves. Kai Leng is arguably worse than either Aria or Liselle.

Can't defend themselves she had a pistol and biotics she even killed one of Kai Leng's men.  Kai Leng carried non-lethal weapons
Kai Leng is nowhere near as bad as Aria and I hope your kidding because you sound
really naive.  Just my opinion

Modifié par jbblue05, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:08 .

[mopotter]

anmiro wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I find it hard to believe some people are sympatheic to Aria and Liselle just because their related.

I wonder if their was a side story about one of the Turians who were killed. What if this Turian was going to the hospital to see the birth of his first-born and only became a mercenary to help take care of his child. Would you all be sympatheic to Aria and Liselle?

What if Kai had a friend or family member who were brutally killed by Aria's people?

Aria and Liselle are corrupt they're not good people.
Good people don't kill other people over protection money and drugs

Aria will never find out about Kai Leng unless Kai Leng tells Shepard and than Shepard tells Aria

I could care less about Aria. But I am sympathetic to Grayson and so vicariously to Liselle. Kai slit her throat while she was unconscious. I don't know why but I find that infuriating.

This.    I agree.

[jbblue05]

anmiro wrote...

I could care less about Aria. But I am sympathetic to Grayson and so vicariously to Liselle. Kai slit her throat while she was unconscious. I don't know why but I find that infuriating.

I'm not sympatheic to Grayson he knew by betraying Cerberus he put everybody he knows and loves at risk and besides changing his life for the better he becomes one of Aria's lackeys.

Liselle's death was quick and painless. How would you rather Kai Leng killed her?  She had to die their was no reason to leave her alive.

Are you mad that he left her naked body their and didn't cover her up.  Kai Leng moved out shortly after he killed her he didn't stick around to enjoy his kill.

I was actually hoping Kai Leng killed Liselle leaving her alive would've made me throw Retribution out the window.

One more thing do you have a problem with how Liselle and Grayson team killed those Turians and left their bodies to rot in the middle of the street?

Modifié par jbblue05, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:11 .

[Randy1012]

jbblue05 wrote...

Can't defend themselves she had a pistol and biotics she even killed one of Kai Leng's men.  Kai Leng carried suppresive weapons
Kai Leng is nowhere near as bad as Aria and I hope your kidding because you sound
really naive.  Just my opinion

She killed one of Kai Leng's men in self-defense. They're the ones who stormed Grayson's apartment, remember. When Kai Leng killed Liselle, she was unconscious and not a threat.

And based on the evidence we have right now, yes, I would say Kai Leng is worse than Aria. That's not to say that Aria isn't a bad person, herself. She is (you don't exactly become a crime lord by being a saint, after all). But which of them is a member of a xenophobic terrorist organization? And not just someone who joined up because they had no other option, like Joker, but someone who fanatically believes in said organization's ideology, goals and methods.

Call me naive all you like, that doesn't make me wrong.

[jbblue05]

Randy1083 wrote...

She killed one of Kai Leng's men in self-defense. They're the ones who stormed Grayson's apartment, remember. When Kai Leng killed Liselle, she was unconscious and not a threat.

You do know Kai Leng was going to capture Grayson while he was alone but Liselle showed up and Kai Leng waited a couple of hours for her to leave but she didn't so he went along with the plan anyways.  I expect Grayson and Liselle to defend themselves because its about survival.

Do you realize how naive and idiotic it is to leave her alive?  Do you know how much that jeopardizes the entire mission and can wind up biting Cerberus in the ass?  Kai Leng is an assasin not trying to win the C-sec officer of the year award.

And based on the evidence we have right now, yes, I would say Kai Leng is worse than Aria. That's not to say that Aria isn't a bad person, herself. She is (you don't exactly become a crime lord by being a saint, after all). But which of them is a member of a xenophobic terrorist organization? And not just someone who joined up because they had no other option, like Joker, but someone who fanatically believes in said organization's ideology, goals and methods.

Call me naive all you like, that doesn't make me wrong.

So Kai Leng is a terrible person because he killed a pissed off Krogan in a bar fight and is worse then Aria because he doesn't like aliens Please what other evidence do you have that he's more of a monster then Aria.
Cerberus is a xenophobic terrorist organization?  Really Cerberus has plenty of Alien operatives just because some don't like aliens doesn't make the entire organization xenophobes.  You need to better inderstand the meaning of terrorism before you give Cerberus that title because Cerberus are not terrorists.
 Aria is a terrorist.
Joker did have an option he was happy to join Cerberus and has no regrets. If you don't like Cerberus that's you

I'm calling you naive because your reasons don't make sense and have no substance.

Modifié par jbblue05, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:58 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Randy1083 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Can't defend themselves she had a pistol and biotics she even killed one of Kai Leng's men.  Kai Leng carried suppresive weapons
Kai Leng is nowhere near as bad as Aria and I hope your kidding because you sound
really naive.  Just my opinion

She killed one of Kai Leng's men in self-defense. They're the ones who stormed Grayson's apartment, remember. When Kai Leng killed Liselle, she was unconscious and not a threat.

Yes she was. When she woke up, she would have been a witness, which was a threat to him.

And based on the evidence we have right now, yes, I would say Kai Leng is worse than Aria. That's not to say that Aria isn't a bad person, herself. She is (you don't exactly become a crime lord by being a saint, after all).But which of them is a member of a xenophobic terrorist organization?

Neither.

And not just someone who joined up because they had no other option, like Joker, but someone who fanatically believes in said organization's ideology, goals and methods.

What does that have to do with the  relative amount of death and destruction they've dealt?

Aria's had centuries to do her work on Omega. Kai killed one person in that attack, one person who wasn't even supposed to be there.

Call me naive all you like, that doesn't make me wrong.

Indeed.

Being wrong makes you wrong.

[wizardryforever]

It makes sense why Kai killed Liselle, but the fact that he obviously enjoyed slitting her throat while she lay there unconscious make him damn unlikable to me.  Then there is his extreme xenophobia and his almost religious devotion to the Illusive Man, those don't score him any points either.  He's an interesting character, like Aria, but that doesn't mean I want him on my squad, especially since I've cut ties to Cerberus.

[jbblue05]

wizardryforever wrote...

It makes sense why Kai killed Liselle, but the fact that he obviously enjoyed slitting her throat while she lay there unconscious make him damn unlikable to me.  Then there is his extreme xenophobia and his almost religious devotion to the Illusive Man, those don't score him any points either.  He's an interesting character, like Aria, but that doesn't mean I want him on my squad, especially since I've cut ties to Cerberus.

How did he enjoy killing her?  Because all he did was slit her throat exited the apartment to deal with the turians.  It was all business nothing personal.
I liked Kai Leng him, TIM, Udina and Ashley are the most believable human characters in the game.  They're pro-humanity, don't trust aliens, and have prejudices against aliens that are reasonable.  Most humans live on Earth or human colonies.  A very small percentage of humans live in the Terminus or on the Citadel  which means most humans don't trust aliens or don't care for them as much as they do for humans.

[anmiro]

jbblue05 wrote...

anmiro wrote...

I could care less about Aria. But I am sympathetic to Grayson and so vicariously to Liselle. Kai slit her throat while she was unconscious. I don't know why but I find that infuriating.

I'm not sympatheic to Grayson he knew by betraying Cerberus he put everybody he knows and loves at risk and besides changing his life for the better he becomes one of Aria's lackeys.

Liselle's death was quick and painless. How would you rather Kai Leng killed her?  She had to die their was no reason to leave her alive.

Are you mad that he left her naked body their and didn't cover her up.  Kai Leng moved out shortly after he killed her he didn't stick around to enjoy his kill.

I was actually hoping Kai Leng killed Liselle leaving her alive would've made me throw Retribution out the window.

One more thing do you have a problem with how Liselle and Grayson team killed those Turians and left their bodies to rot in the middle of the street?

Yeah, it does make sense that a murderer would murder some one. That doesn't justify murder.

As for the mercenaries Grayson and Liselle killed, yes I do have a problem with that, so did Grayson. Even he was struggling with it. It was made pretty clear that Grayson was having second thoughts about working for Aria. Kai on the other hand believes in what hes doing and doesn't give cold blooded murder a second thought. As I said, I'm far more sympathetic to Grayson.

Modifié par anmiro, 28 septembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[wizardryforever]

jbblue05 wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

It makes sense why Kai killed Liselle, but the fact that he obviously enjoyed slitting her throat while she lay there unconscious make him damn unlikable to me.  Then there is his extreme xenophobia and his almost religious devotion to the Illusive Man, those don't score him any points either.  He's an interesting character, like Aria, but that doesn't mean I want him on my squad, especially since I've cut ties to Cerberus.

How did he enjoy killing her?  Because all he did was slit her throat exited the apartment to deal with the turians.  It was all business nothing personal.
I liked Kai Leng him, TIM, Udina and Ashley are the most believable human characters in the game.  They're pro-humanity, don't trust aliens, and have prejudices against aliens that are reasonable.  Most humans live on Earth or human colonies.  A very small percentage of humans live in the Terminus or on the Citadel  which means most humans don't trust aliens or don't care for them as much as they do for humans.

He says, "Leave her to me."  If it really was business, and he didn't enjoy killing her, then why exactly could he not have said "Kill her."?  Business definitely played into it, but that wasn't all there was to it.
I find it interesting that you find people with varying degrees of distrust and outright bigotry to be more believable than someone open-minded, like Anderson or Kahlee.  Just because humans tend to live together doesn't mean that they should distrust those that are different.  I can envision a redneck in a sleazy bar saying "we don't take kindly to your type 'round here."

[The Spamming Troll]

including someone from another media is pretty interesting. i recently just played mass effect galaxies on a friends phone. it was cool doing some small sidecrap stuff with people i met in ME2, even noticing ish from omega.



i havent read the books but if he is a character with "saving the world potetnial" in the books, why wouldnt he be in the game as well?

[jbblue05]

anmiro wrote...


Yeah, it does make sense that a murderer would murder some one. That doesn't justify murder.

As for the mercenaries Grayson and Liselle killed, yes I do have a problem with that, so did Grayson. Even he was struggling with it. It was made pretty clear that Grayson was having second thoughts about working for Aria. Kai on the other hand believes in what hes doing and doesn't give cold blooded murder a second thought. As I said, I'm far more sympathetic to Grayson.

Who's murder wasn't justified because Kai Leng's make sense while Aria's was an act of terrorism.

I can't feel sorry for Grayson he puts himself in the same situations or worse.he just takes 1 step foward and 4 steps back.  Given Grayson and Kai-Leng's history with Cerberus Grayson did a lot worse.
Kai Leng is clear-minded and has his motives he's not going to kill anyone for no reason.  He's loyal to Cerberus because they rescued him from a 20 year imprisionment and Kai felt betrayed by the Alliance.

Grayson doesn't know what he really wants and motivates him he's a drug addict and is not sure of himself he's an unstable person.

[jbblue05]

wizardryforever wrote...

He says, "Leave her to me."  If it really was business, and he didn't enjoy killing her, then why exactly could he not have said "Kill her."?  Business definitely played into it, but that wasn't all there was to it.
I find it interesting that you find people with varying degrees of distrust and outright bigotry to be more believable than someone open-minded, like Anderson or Kahlee.  Just because humans tend to live together doesn't mean that they should distrust those that are different.  I can envision a redneck in a sleazy bar saying "we don't take kindly to your type 'round here."

Liselle had to die either way so what if Kai Leng did it he's the team leader.
Kai Leng didn't say or thought I'm going to enjoy this, he didn't wound her so she dies a slow-painful death, he didn't spit on her corpse, he didn't mutilate her body, he didn't light a cigar and smoke it over Liselle's body.  All he did was slit her throat and left the apartment.
If Kai Leng truly wanted to kill all Asari he could've easily invited all the Asari flirting with him to his apartment and kill them.
Anderson and Kahlee are really naive in Retribution.
Based off what happens on Earth today makes it easily believable that most humans are mistrustful or don't like Aliens.
Humans who only live with humans aren't going to trust aliens.
Humans are cautious and ignorant to the unknown.
Humanity has only been around for 26 years and had to deal with the Shanxi War, The Council, Batarians, slavers and pirates,
Its highly believable for humans to not trust Aliens 

Modifié par jbblue05, 28 septembre 2010 - 02:04 .

[Dean_the_Young]

wizardryforever wrote...
He says, "Leave her to me."  If it really was business, and he didn't enjoy killing her, then why exactly could he not have said "Kill her."?  Business definitely played into it, but that wasn't all there was to it.
I find it interesting that you find people with varying degrees of distrust and outright bigotry to be more believable than someone open-minded, like Anderson or Kahlee.  Just because humans tend to live together doesn't mean that they should distrust those that are different.  I can envision a redneck in a sleazy bar saying "we don't take kindly to your type 'round here."

While I know you were referring to the racist hick stereotype...

I can't help but think of this episode of South Park, which had the intolerant of intolerance rednecks as a subversion.

[anmiro]

jbblue05 wrote...

anmiro wrote...


Yeah, it does make sense that a murderer would murder some one. That doesn't justify murder.

As for the mercenaries Grayson and Liselle killed, yes I do have a problem with that, so did Grayson. Even he was struggling with it. It was made pretty clear that Grayson was having second thoughts about working for Aria. Kai on the other hand believes in what hes doing and doesn't give cold blooded murder a second thought. As I said, I'm far more sympathetic to Grayson.

Who's murder wasn't justified because Kai Leng's make sense while Aria's was an act of terrorism.

I can't feel sorry for Grayson he puts himself in the same situations or worse.he just takes 1 step foward and 4 steps back.  Given Grayson and Kai-Leng's history with Cerberus Grayson did a lot worse.
Kai Leng is clear-minded and has his motives he's not going to kill anyone for no reason.  He's loyal to Cerberus because they rescued him from a 20 year imprisionment and Kai felt betrayed by the Alliance.

Grayson doesn't know what he really wants and motivates him he's a drug addict and is not sure of himself he's an unstable person.

Grayson left Cerberus because he wasn't gonna let them use his daughter as a lab rat anymore. Grayson was a drug addict because he had a conscience and couldn't live with what Cerberus was asking him to do. Its called Masochism. 

Kai Leng is clear headed and focused in a way that only a pawn can be. He has no conscience to way him down.

Modifié par anmiro, 28 septembre 2010 - 02:23 .

[wizardryforever]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...
He says, "Leave her to me."  If it really was business, and he didn't enjoy killing her, then why exactly could he not have said "Kill her."?  Business definitely played into it, but that wasn't all there was to it.
I find it interesting that you find people with varying degrees of distrust and outright bigotry to be more believable than someone open-minded, like Anderson or Kahlee.  Just because humans tend to live together doesn't mean that they should distrust those that are different.  I can envision a redneck in a sleazy bar saying "we don't take kindly to your type 'round here."

While I know you were referring to the racist hick stereotype...

I can't help but think of this episode of South Park, which had the intolerant of intolerance rednecks as a subversion.

Oh, I know.  That episode is freaking hilarious!  It's about Political Correctness Gone Mad.

jbblue05 wrote...
If Kai Leng truly wanted to kill all Asari he could've easily invited
all the Asari flirting with him to his apartment and kill them.

When did I ever say that he did?  All I said was that he enjoyed killing her.  The very fact that he had to do it himself seems to indicate that he wanted to do it, meaning that either he enjoyed it, or he didn't trust his teammates.  I'm going with he enjoyed it.

Modifié par wizardryforever, 28 septembre 2010 - 02:33 .