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[EricHVela]

Ignore the odd Conan movies and stick with the stories (odd as they are, too).

Hawke starts penniless and downtrodden, lives in a world of magic and monsters, battles his way to the top while collecting friends and allegiances with various groups and defeating powerful enemies, deals with betrayal, and becomes the most important character in DA2.

Conan starts as a slave, lives in a world of magic and monsters, battles his way to the top while collecting friends and allegiances with various groups and defeating powerful enemies, deals with betrayal, and becomes King.

All that is missing are fuzzy small clothes for Hawke.

Anyone wanna make other comparisons with Hawke?

[Ulicus]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Conan starts as a slave, lives in a world of magic and monsters, battles his way to the top while collecting friends and allegiances with various groups and defeating powerful enemies, deals with betrayal, and becomes King.

I thought we were ignoring the movies? Conan doesn't start as a slave in the REH short stories. He's very briefly a slave of Hyperborea in the Dark Horse comics continuity early in his adventuring career... but it's the Arnie movies that have him captured and a slave from childhood to adulthood. Besides, he doesn't so much "collect friends and allegiances" as he does constantly rise to the top of this or that mercenary company or pirate vessel only to lose everything and have to start from scratch again (the stories are awesome, but pretty formulaic for the most part). The only additional characters who consistantly live to see the end of whatever story REH is telling tend to be the women, and Conan's basically the Hyborian Age's answer to James Bond in that regard, and they're never seen again.

So... uh, yeah.

Not that I don't see the comparison.

Modifié par Ulicus, 29 juillet 2010 - 08:16 .

[FarGears]

i know to little about Hawke to compare to any one. Battling with monsters are in a lot of game, so



is getting friends across the world because you can't do it alone. I kind of feel alike but their are a



lot of differences in the world of Dragon age and we don't really know the story yet unless i missed



something. I guess your right they are getting to be the same right now but i think there more to



Hawke then meets the eye.

[filetemo]

hawke is not conan because DA lacks a barbarian origin

[Svest]

The main character starts off as a peasant/slave/nobody/person with amnesia, "lives in a world of magic and monsters, battles his way to the top while collecting friends and allegiances with various groups and defeating powerful enemies, deals with betrayal, and becomes" a hero/king/god. Can describe almost every single RPG ever made.

Modifié par Svest, 29 juillet 2010 - 08:27 .

[SDNcN]

filetemo wrote...

hawke is not conan because DA lacks a barbarian origin

Well they haven't announced the background of the Hawkes yet.
They could possibly be Chasind.

[Grommash94]

SDNcN wrote...

filetemo wrote...

hawke is not conan because DA lacks a barbarian origin

Well they haven't announced the background of the Hawkes yet.
They could possibly be Chasind.

Personally, I hope it is never actually addressed, and that all we actually know ingame is that he lived in Lothering for a few years. Gives more freedom, imho.

[Druss99]

FarGears wrote...
i know to little about Hawke to compare to any one. Battling with monsters are in a lot of game, so
is getting friends across the world because you can't do it alone. I kind of feel alike but their are a
lot of differences in the world of Dragon age and we don't really know the story yet unless i missed
something. I guess your right they are getting to be the same right now but i think there more to
Hawke then meets the eye.

Oh so hes a Transformer too? Brilliant.

[Grommash94]

Druss99 wrote...

FarGears wrote...
i know to little about Hawke to compare to any one. Battling with monsters are in a lot of game, so
is getting friends across the world because you can't do it alone. I kind of feel alike but their are a
lot of differences in the world of Dragon age and we don't really know the story yet unless i missed
something. I guess your right they are getting to be the same right now but i think there more to
Hawke then meets the eye.

Oh so hes a Transformer too? Brilliant.

Hawkticus Prime will change Thedas forever, that is for sure

[KennethAFTopp]

In the stories Conan does NOT start as a damn slave.

[Avilia]

Well technically Conan starts as king. The Phoenix on the Sword is the first published Howard story. They jump around in the time line and tell Conan's story at different points in his life.

Which could be what DA2 is going to do. That would be fun I think.

Now I'm going to take my pedantic self off to work ;-) (With some Howard to read - this made me want to visit Conan again)

Modifié par Avilia, 29 juillet 2010 - 09:51 .

[stevej713]

Don't forget the scantily clad women that are always at his disposal. This will definitely be in Dragon Age 2, no doubt about that.

[elearon1]

I wish Bioware would make a Conan game - it would doubtlessly be better than AoC (the new one).



That said, from what I've seen of Hawke he is no Conan, which is good because as much as I love Conan (the original, and yes I also really liked the movie) Thedas is not Hyboria.



Honestly, it sounds like the OP is talking about the Robert Jordan Conan books more than the originals ... and while I enjoyed the RJ books they always fealt as though they were written for a younger crowd than R.E.H's stories.



I am hoping DA2 will be written to the adult crowd its rating says it is marketed toward.

[Saibh]

I have to point out that all of the the comparisons you made are hardly unique to medieval-type fantasies.

[Davasar]

Although the Howard stories were way ahead of their time as far as universe scope and theme.  People forget that Howard was a contemporary of Lovecraft, and the two corresponded on occassion and admired each others work.

This is often reflected in the fact that choices are VERY morally grey in Howards universe and magic is for the most part considered evil and dark and most people are corrupt and out for themselves and are often money/power hungry (sounds like Hawke actually in that respect, so I suppose he would make a Howard styled villain).

That said, I do not think Hawke is anywhere near Conan, and Thedas is no where near Hyboria in theme, genre or scope.

Modifié par Davasar, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:54 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Hawke can be a mage. Conan has no love for wizards and their tricks.

[Daerog]

A nobody rising to a somebody? Ya, millions of comparisons. How about King Arthur? David from the Bible?

Hmmm...ummm.... Anyone know of a story older than David that has a nobody rising to a somebody? I can't think of one... bah, I'll go look one up, there has to be an older story.

[Ulicus]

Urg. Can people stop talking about "Hyboria" and REH in the same breath? "Hyboria" is an invention of pastiche writers and, alas, picked up by the RPG and MMO. There is the Hyborian Age and the Thurian Continent. No such place as Hyboria. It's probably my biggest Conan related pet peeve.

*Okay, sure, there's no such age as the Hyborian Age and no such place as the Thurian continent, either... but you know what I mean!

Modifié par Ulicus, 30 juillet 2010 - 03:48 .

[elearon1]

I don't know man, that's a little too pedantic even for me, and that is saying something. :: smirks ::

That said, I think it is fairly clear the two places are not the same - not by a long shot. There is a continuous theme in the Conan stories about the clash between barbarism and civilization and the merits of the former when compared to the corruption and decadence of the later.

DA, on the other hand, is all about civilization and cities, political structures and special interest groups ... a step in the other direction.

Modifié par elearon1, 30 juillet 2010 - 03:55 .

[SirOccam]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

A nobody rising to a somebody? Ya, millions of comparisons. How about King Arthur? David from the Bible?
Hmmm...ummm.... Anyone know of a story older than David that has a nobody rising to a somebody? I can't think of one... bah, I'll go look one up, there has to be an older story.

The tale of Aladdin was a Middle Eastern folk tale before it was adapted for The Arabian Nights, but I'm not sure how old it is.

Side note: Arabian Nights also featured a framed narrative structure (Scheherezade tells all the stories to escape execution).

[joriandrake]

Grommash94 wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

FarGears wrote...
i know to little about Hawke to compare to any one. Battling with monsters are in a lot of game, so
is getting friends across the world because you can't do it alone. I kind of feel alike but their are a
lot of differences in the world of Dragon age and we don't really know the story yet unless i missed
something. I guess your right they are getting to be the same right now but i think there more to
Hawke then meets the eye.

Oh so hes a Transformer too? Brilliant.

Hawkticus Prime will change Thedas forever, that is for sure

May the Matrix be with him

[Dave of Canada]

elearon1 wrote...

DA, on the other hand, is all about civilization and cities, political structures and special interest groups ... a step in the other direction.

We don't really know how the Free Marshes work though. As a whole, they might be barbaric.

[FarGears]

joriandrake wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

FarGears wrote...
i know to little about Hawke to compare to any one. Battling with monsters are in a lot of game, so
is getting friends across the world because you can't do it alone. I kind of feel alike but their are a
lot of differences in the world of Dragon age and we don't really know the story yet unless i missed
something. I guess your right they are getting to be the same right now but i think there more to
Hawke then meets the eye.

Oh so hes a Transformer too? Brilliant.

Hawkticus Prime will change Thedas forever, that is for sure

May the Matrix be with him

when I am writing that last part i think "I wonder if any one going to bring up Transformers" and well you did, maybe I should have wrote it better? :happy: 

[Ulicus]

elearon1 wrote...

I don't know man, that's a little too pedantic even for me, and that is saying something. :: smirks ::

I take accusations of pedantry as compliments.

To be honest, I can accept "Hyboria" as OOU shorthand referring to the setting... but nothing else. If it ever crops up in the material itself, I go a bit loopy.

Modifié par Ulicus, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:28 .