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[jjbens]

 Hawke.
Unlike Dragon Age: Origins, the player's character in Dragon Age II will be fully voiced. This opens the door for a more cinematic approach to dialogue and creates an identity for the character outside of the text you see on-screen. It also eliminates those awkward scenarios where you feel like your character should be reacting, but instead just stares blankly without so much as a grunt.
                  You won't be able to select Hawke's race. However, just because that one aspect of Hawke's backstory is set doesn't mean BioWare is eliminating character creation. You can still choose your class and customize your appearance. When we visited BioWare's studio, we only saw (and heard) the male Hawke in action, but the team promises that players can select either gender for the character. As the Grey Warden from Dragon Age: Origins was fighting darkspawn, Hawke was living in Lothering. Fans will remember that the small village was raided and destroyed (an event that occurred off-screen in Origins), and Hawke was one of the survivors. However, rather than stay and fight the darkspawn menace, Hawke flees Ferelden and heads north.                                 
Kirkwall is a major population center in the Free Marches, a collection of city-states north of Ferelden. This means that at least some of the action in Dragon Age II will be set in Kirkwall itself, though Hawke will also spend time in other areas of the Free Marches. What exactly Hawke does to earn the honorary title of Champion, however, is up to you.
Dragon Age II is not about killing an ancient evil or about quelling another blight; Hawke is the driving force behind the narrative. Over the course of the game's 10-year timeline, players' actions and choices will determine Hawke's history, relationships, and regrets...all in service to answering the larger question: Who is the Champion of Kirkwall?

Templars; link to Templar involvement with Hawke
http://greywardens.c...f-dragon-age-2/

[Sable Rhapsody]

This is utterly fascinating. I find the interplay of politics and religion in the Chantry very interesting--they remind me of the Catholic Church back when it held considerable political sway in Europe. Fun times, fun times.

My question is what being the Champion of Kirkwall actually means in relation to the templars. Based on earlier comments about the Chantry being in a terrible state while Cassandra's asking her questions, it might mean that Hawke has a pivotal role in not only breaking the templar stranglehold on Kirkwall, but messing with the Chantry at large while s/he is at it. Or maybe that's just me and my desire to explode some templars into soggy bits talking ><

[jjbens]

might say something about that in the link

[Shepard Lives]

This sounds crazy. Going up against a powerful religious organization who acts above the law... it's going to be wonderfully cathartic. I'm really pumped for this game.



Although, I kind of hope we'll still get our fair share of involvement with some spectacular supernatural stuff, be it darkspawn or demons or golems or whatnot. A game entirely about political intrigue would be sort of boring.

[Sable Rhapsody]

shepard_lives wrote...

This sounds crazy. Going up against a powerful religious organization who acts above the law... it's going to be wonderfully cathartic. I'm really pumped for this game.

Although, I kind of hope we'll still get our fair share of involvement with some spectacular supernatural stuff, be it darkspawn or demons or golems or whatnot. A game entirely about political intrigue would be sort of boring.

The Chantry itself traffics in the supernatural stuff.  Lyrium, Fade, mages, Andraste's ashes...oh god, how I'd love using the templars' lyrium addiction to bring them to their knees.  He who controls the spice and all that 

[andar91]

I can see the templars as an antagonistic force in DA2. Especially so, since I play mages.

[stevej713]

I hope you can make your own opinions about the Templars, though. I wouldn't want to be forced to fight them in the game.



By the way, I hate how he says "Knights Templars". It's Knights Templar, no "s" at the end.

[Bugzehat]

I'm guessing some sort of division occurs within the Chantry -- I mean, we know it's "fallen apart" by the time the narrators are talking. Maybe we get involved in that somehow?

[andar91]

Kordaris wrote...

andar91 wrote...

I can see the templars as an antagonistic force in DA2. Especially so, since I play mages.

Same here. And would love to burn at the stake the annoying sister

Uh...what?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kordaris wrote...

I hope they don't jump on the bash-the-organised-religion bandwagon which is so cliche.

The Templars and Chantry had a good reason for their actions as events in Mage Circle Tower show in Dragon Age 1.

Yes, good reason for locking up a bunch of kids whose only crime was to be born mages, telling them all from cradle to grave how dangerous they are, throwing them into a Harrowing against demons, resigning those who fail to death or Fate Worse Than Death, then expecting the mages to be loyal, well-adjusted, and well-behaved when someone comes along with an albeit desperate plan to free them of your iron grip.  The Chantry fail basic people skills forever.

[Grommash94]

andar91 wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

andar91 wrote...

I can see the templars as an antagonistic force in DA2. Especially so, since I play mages.

Same here. And would love to burn at the stake the annoying sister

Uh...what?

Its Kordaris. No point asking

[LdyShayna]

I would be very disappointed if it's the big bad evil church you must crush. I'm hoping, at the very least, you can side with certain elements within the Chantry and Templars. I don't have these homicidal tendencies towards the templars or sisters others seem to harbor.

[Bugzehat]

LdyShayna wrote...

I would be very disappointed if it's the big bad evil church you must crush. I'm hoping, at the very least, you can side with certain elements within the Chantry and Templars. I don't have these homicidal tendencies towards the templars or sisters others seem to harbor.

Yeah, "the Chantry is evil, crush the Chantry" would be pretty hamfisted. Given Origins, though, I'm willing to bet it's more complicated, with different elements of the Chantry being pitted against each other.

[jjbens]

since his sister is a mage maybe he fight the chantry because they have taken her or maybe he is sent by the chantry tofind his sister and bring her back to them

[Sable Rhapsody]

jjbens wrote...

since his sister is a mage maybe he fight the chantry because they have taken her or maybe he is sent by the chantry tofind his sister and bring her back to them

"Oh, hi, Imoen!  I mean--look, let's just call you Imoen."

Yeah...I hope it's not another rescue sis thing.  Especially since my Hawke erm...wouldn't do it.  And as for the Chantry, while I admit to harboring strong dislike bordering on homicidal stabbiness for the templars and the Chantry as a whole, I did quite like a lot of them in DA:O.  I think it's more that I dislike the organization than the people that make it up.

[Shepard Lives]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

I hope they don't jump on the bash-the-organised-religion bandwagon which is so cliche.

The Templars and Chantry had a good reason for their actions as events in Mage Circle Tower show in Dragon Age 1.

Yes, good reason for locking up a bunch of kids whose only crime was to be born mages, telling them all from cradle to grave how dangerous they are, throwing them into a Harrowing against demons, resigning those who fail to death or Fate Worse Than Death, then expecting the mages to be loyal, well-adjusted, and well-behaved when someone comes along with an albeit desperate plan to free them of your iron grip.  The Chantry fail basic people skills forever.

Exactly. Do you seriously think there would be so many maleficar and blood mages if mages were raised in a more friendly environment? Being nice to mages doesn't mean being unable to train them against demons, ya know.

Modifié par shepard_lives, 29 juillet 2010 - 10:36 .

[Kohaku]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

jjbens wrote...

since his sister is a mage maybe he fight the chantry because they have taken her or maybe he is sent by the chantry tofind his sister and bring her back to them

"Oh, hi, Imoen!  I mean--look, let's just call you Imoen."

Yeah...I hope it's not another rescue sis thing.  Especially since my Hawke erm...wouldn't do it.  And as for the Chantry, while I admit to harboring strong dislike bordering on homicidal stabbiness for the templars and the Chantry as a whole, I did quite like a lot of them in DA:O.  I think it's more that I dislike the organization than the people that make it up.

I would but would grumble the whole way. I’m always annoyed when I have to save women in games.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 29 juillet 2010 - 11:06 .

[andar91]

Bugzehat wrote...

LdyShayna wrote...

I would be very disappointed if it's the big bad evil church you must crush. I'm hoping, at the very least, you can side with certain elements within the Chantry and Templars. I don't have these homicidal tendencies towards the templars or sisters others seem to harbor.

Yeah, "the Chantry is evil, crush the Chantry" would be pretty hamfisted. Given Origins, though, I'm willing to bet it's more complicated, with different elements of the Chantry being pitted against each other.

Yeah, I don't think the writers would be that blunt.  If we do have to fight the Chantry, I have a feeling it will be an extreme radical branch or something.  Sort of like what KKK is to the Christian church (in America, anyway).

[fchopin]

Sounds interesting if true but he did say at the end that he is just speculating and has no facts on the plot.

[Sable Rhapsody]

shepard_lives wrote...

Exactly. Do you seriously think there would be so many maleficar and blood mages if mages were raised in a more friendly environment? Being nice to mages doesn't mean being unable to train them against demons, ya know.

I've always felt mages in Thedas should be trained the same way doctors and surgeons are trained in the real world.  The training is grueling, uncompromising, and rigorous to weed out unscrupulous or just downright lazy individuals.  The job of the training is to hone your skills to be used for good, and instill in you a sense of responsibility and compassion.  Those who don't want to be mages learn just enough about self-control and strength of will to make sure they don't slip into abomination (from someone LESS FAIL THAN JOWAN THANK YOU), and their fellow mages keep tabs on them just in case.

As for anti-magic tactics should something go wrong--and things will go wrong--a mage can learn the same tactics a templar can in Mana Clash and Mana Drain.  They're perfectly capable of policing their own, just not in the current structure of Chantry oversight.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kordaris wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

Exactly. Do you seriously think there would be so many maleficar and blood mages if mages were raised in a more friendly environment? Being nice to mages doesn't mean being unable to train them against demons, ya know.

There wouldn't be any if all would be killed though:wizard:

An unsurprising answer.  Since, ya know, video games have made us all horribly violent people who do smack and remove people's kneecaps.  KILLING IS THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING! 

[Grommash94]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

Exactly. Do you seriously think there would be so many maleficar and blood mages if mages were raised in a more friendly environment? Being nice to mages doesn't mean being unable to train them against demons, ya know.

As for anti-magic tactics should something go wrong--and things will go wrong--a mage can learn the same tactics a templar can in Mana Clash and Mana Drain.  They're perfectly capable of policing their own, just not in the current structure of Chantry oversight.

I don't know. There is nothing on Thedas that can compare to the power of the Circle. What if someone like Uldred came along to try and take control, and managed to convince other greedy mages to assist him/her in said power grab? A mage civil war like that would probably end with Thedas screwed over, as their mages are too busy bickering with themselves while the Qunari invade and take everything.

The mages need some freedom, sure. But there need to be non mages to police them, in order to keep balance imo.