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[DarkSeraphym]

I figured I'd start a fun topic for some Mass Effect debate. Do you feel that Legion adequately gives Shepard enough reason to trust him in that there are two factions of Geth and he is a member of the faction that wants to build their own future?

I am on the fence. I play as a Renegade Shepard and I have to admit the only reason I even kept Legion at first is because I wondered why a Geth would be wearing Shepard's old N7 armor, yet the only option I had was to either opt to keep it or to give it to Cerberus, thus the Paragon option was the only way of being able to interrogate it to get such answers. If you continue to speak with him even after completing his loyalty mission, you will discover that the "true" geth are attempting to build a Dyson Sphere that will allow them all to unite and be able to share all of information and all perspectives between all of the Geth in the galaxy at one time. In defense of Legion, I can't help but wonder why Legion would opt to tell Shepard such information if he had been a member of the heretics given the fact that one of the options in response to Legion is for Shepard to point out that such a device sounds like a Reaper. In fact, all three of the options available seem as if Shepard is skeptical and force Legion to reply "We deemed that Shepard-Commander would understand."

Likewise if Legion were actually lying to Shepard, why would the Reapers not use Legion to stop the assault on the Collector Base? A ton of time and resources on the behalf of the Collectors are put in to create a Human-Reaper and judging from Harbingers response to the base either being destroyed or all life being wiped off of the thing, the Human-Reaper was instrumental in their master plan, which probably would have consisted of attacking the Citadel again and attempting to open it up as a Mass Relay all over again (basically picking up on where Sovereign failed).

On the other hand, certain advocates of Legion being untrustworthy such as Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams had made me wonder whether or not we can actually just trust that Legion is telling the truth about all of this. For one thing, why would the "true" Geth actively be able to make the free choice to not follow the Reapers? The Reapers are capable of indoctrinating organics, surely they'd be able to do some real damage on synthetics. I find it a little hard to believe that it took the Heretic Geth roughly 2 years after the incidents of the first game (I dont recall from the Codex ever seeing an exact date for when the Geth met Sovereign) to create a virus that would force the true Geth to believe in their line of thinking.

To further the theory that Legion may not actually be telling the truth, I find it a little interesting that the Geth are able to create a mobile platform capable of uniting over 1,000 Geth programs at one time at some point after meeting Sovereign. Assuming that Legion were telling the truth, not even the Heretic Geth were able to create a mobile platform on the same magnitude that Legion is of.

There are valid arguments for both sides of this particular debate from this particularly very complicated character. So, what do you believe and why?

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:00 .

[SpaceBuscuit]

Personally, I'm inclined to trust Legion, and to see the heretics as rogue Geth re-purposed by the reapers. Legion is an interesting character, and one who leads me to see a certain ambiguous aspect to the motives of the Quarians. Especially Daro'Xen, who wants to return all Geth to Quarian domination, and warns humans that the Quarian people will then possess the largest synthetic army in the galaxy. It will certainly make for a fascinating ME3, if BioWare live up to expectations, and factor in all these possibilities.

[DarkSeraphym]

mrsph wrote...

It's line about studying lying was a little troubling. But overall I think Legion is trustworthy, because it wouldn't go through the trouble of thwarting the Reapers in Mass Effect 2 if it was truly on their side.

Also Harbinger's taunt about Legion is basically "Geth are worthless and annoying"

Your second quote is true, however the Reapers seem to maintain a God complex and after Retribution, it is appearing more and more that the Reapers are guided by some ridiculous notion of ascension and that their purpose to "ascend" species into the ranks of Reapers so that they can do something with their existence instead of simply disappearing. The Reapers will see anything that can't be ascended as "worthless" and "annoying", more than likely the Reapers see the Keepers in the exact same light and it is generally believed that had Sovereign succeeded in bring about the destruction of all organic life, the Geth would have replaced the Keepers since the Geth were far easier to control.

Even if the Reapers see something as worthless, that doesn't mean that the Reapers wont attempt to make what kind of use they can out of something.

Then again in defense of Legion, why would it mention its study of deception to Shepard if it wanted to Shepard to actually believe him? If Legion is indeed lying, I'd have to say he did a pretty pathetic job in his studys. He actively gives Shepard a reason not to trust him twice.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:23 .

[Lotto]

if you can't trust your bro, who can you trust?

[Adokat]

Personally, I like Legion so much that even if he was dishonest, I'd still be amenable to hear him out, maybe give the whole Geth thing a shot.

[Thompson family]

Don't have enough information to know, but will play along until I find out. If he was playing me, though, Heretic station was the perfect spot for an ambush that would have killed Shepard and destroyed the Normandy 2.

[JaegerBane]

There isn't any realistic reason as to consider Legion untrustworthy. He doesn't really do anything that would be remotely beneficial to the aims of the Heretics (and by extension, the Reapers).

You could argue that it's all some ruse intended to lull Shepard into a false sense of security, but there isn't any evidence to support such a claim beyond the sheer fact that it's possible.

[skinned77]

I think he's pretty straight-up about everything. I trusted him. Until he gives me a reason not to, I'll continue to do so. I think this also will not be lost on the collective. I can see how he was treated being a big factor in the final showdown - much like a certain "lady" from the first game that sent you a greeting in the second.

[OniGanon]

I don't believe Legion and the Geth in general even know how to lie.

[JaegerBane]

OniGanon wrote...

I don't believe Legion and the Geth in general even know how to lie.

Judging from what we're told of the Geth 'culture', that's a fair point.

But then again... Legion could have been lying when he implied that the Geth don't know how to lie

[Kronner]

I trust Legion much more than Tali for example. The true geth are peaceful race, unlike quarians. Geth oppose the Reapers. Geth take care of quarians' homeworld, free of charge and want nothing but equal rights, quarians on the other hand seem like ridiculous suits arguing about everything. Geth communicate at the speed of light. Not to mention geth will most likely be very important ally against the Reapers and Legion provides the only way to contact the geth.

Modifié par Kronner, 31 juillet 2010 - 03:45 .

[tmk]

The thing about Legion is that he's trustworthy, but Shepard has to take serious risks to let him prove that. So RP-wise it's kinda hard to come up with reasons to let him show his trustworthiness in the first place. It's much like the rachni queen situation (except in her case we still don't know for certain whether she's actually trustworthy herself).

Modifié par tmk, 31 juillet 2010 - 04:13 .

[Ralnith]

Actually, everything we "know" about the "true" Geth comes from Legion. Technically, we don't even really know if the Geth on that station are really heretics (we only have Legions word for it) and we don't know if Legion is one of the "true" Geth (or if those "true" Geth exist at all).



In the end, Legion may or may not be a group of "true" geth, which is a faction that may or may not exist and the geth that were nuked/rewritten during Legions loyalty mission may or may not have been heretics (which may or may not have been a minority among the entire Geth population). There is also a possibility that Legion is a completely different and independant group of Geth with it's own views and goals. So I say the only thing we really know is that Legion is on Shepard's side... for now.

[amcnow]

A consensus has been reached... Do not trust the Legion.

[tmk]

If he's actually a "heretic", then him mentioning that virus to you at all is rather odd (as well as letting you make that choice). And no, I'm not really convinced they'd blow up their own station for a chance to get Shepard to trust them for some unknown purpose.

[Ralnith]

I doubt Legion are heretics: they would have used the virus immediately instead of asking Shepard. Higher risk, but significantly better outcome if successfull. That is why I think Legion is on Shepard's side, but that is the only thing that can be safely assumed based on their actions.

[adriano_c]

Untrustworthy.



Gladly accepted the Cerberus bounty!

[NICKjnp]

Bros before hoes.