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[Brockololly]

Yeah, I'll be curious if this is indeed pre-possible Origins death Flemeth, whether she'll change shape again should she show up later on in DA2.

[GodWood]

Arttis wrote...
Only flemmeth.
Morrigan is still no where to be found but supposedly morrigans story will be in the 3rd DA.

Yeah no,
It has been said that Morrigans story is not finished nothing about it being in DA3.

[Dragonageloverrr]

If flemeth has a im badass outfit if morrigan is in this story i wander if she will have i am a Major badass that has a more revealing outfit

[Lucy Glitter]

How can you get more revealing without her being naked?!

[Artemis_Entrari]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Well, this Flemeth is at the start of the game. When Origins is still going, and I assume Flemmy hasn't been killed yet, either. It's just when Lothering has 'sploded. Says all the demo articles.

This is the part I'm a little worried about.

It's one thing if Hawke meets Flemeth after the events of Origins, and so she's potentially been killed and had to find a newer form to possess, thus explaining her differing appearance.  But it's a bit jarring if you meet Flemeth right around the time Lothering is being sacked, before the Warden has a chance to kill her.  She should look exactly the same as the Flemeth that the Warden meets, not different.

[Galian12]

I really hope that is a wearable mage costume...

[joriandrake]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

How can you get more revealing without her being naked?!

a proper bikini, or a string thang

[Fault Girl]

I didn't even realise it was confirmed it was Flemeth, when was this said?



(haven't been able to get on a computer)

[DarthCaine]

Her old body is dead, she CAN'T look the same, it's not the same body

[Solaris Paradox]

Rykn wrote...

If you killed her..... well... Her body's dead. Shouldn't she need to posses a new one? For instance if you killed her you get a newer, younger body and if you left her alive so she can surprise Morrigan she shows in an updated look of the old recognizable Flemeth or at least that would be a good way to show how our choices transfer into DA 2 right?

Oh? Did you? I thought this game was supposed to respond to the choices you made in Dragon Age: Origins, and it's very possible that the player either never undertook the Flemeth's Grimoire sidequest at all, or took Flemeth up on her offer to just take the grimoire and tell Morrigan that Flemeth was dead, allowing Flemeth to vanish and possibly spring a little surprise on Morrigan at a later date. Indeed, between the choices the player has in regards to Flemeth and the choices the player has in regards to Morrigan, it's hard to say *what* the state of those two could be in Dragon Age 2.

Personally, I preferred the look of the batty old swamp-hag, but at the same time, Flemeth's design was made of some really obvious stock-parts. Frankly I'd see no cause to dislike this redesign were I not already so familiar with her old look. But the design itself lacks context--I can't give an opinion on it until I know exactly why she looks the way she does.

[dewcrowe]

I posted this in the Qunari topic. I think she has taken the body of a Qunari woman since morrigan discovered her plan. The horns are similar to Qunari and her face does look younger.

[Brockololly]

I'm no fan of redesigns for the sake of just changing things up, but at least with Flemeth- she IS a powerful shapeshifter who can change her human form quite easily to appear as different things to different people.
Take this codex entry, which is official BioWare stuff: http://social.biowar...dex.php/Flemeth

Or what Mary Kirby said a while back on Flemeth:

Mary Kirby wrote...

She's a thousand-year-old abomination,a shapeshifter who, according to legend (and according to the grimoire  you give Morrigan) seduces mortal men in order to get herself more  daughters. Her daughters are reputed to be able to kill men with fear.  She's both a seductress and a hag. She played up the hag aspect for the Warden, "Oh, never mind me, I'm just a crazy old bat who saved your  life! Go on your quest and take my daughter with you! I'm sure nothing terrible could come from that..."  But just because the Warden only saw her as the hag, doesn't mean that's all she was...

Modifié par Brockololly, 30 juillet 2010 - 09:57 .

[Lucy Glitter]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

This is the part I'm a little worried about.

It's one thing if Hawke meets Flemeth after the events of Origins, and so she's potentially been killed and had to find a newer form to possess, thus explaining her differing appearance.  But it's a bit jarring if you meet Flemeth right around the time Lothering is being sacked, before the Warden has a chance to kill her.  She should look exactly the same as the Flemeth that the Warden meets, not different.

Do you not get that Flemeth is one bad mofo? Do you think she actually spent her entire time of Origins just waiting around in a crappy old hut for the Warden to either kill her, deal with her or do nothing? Hello! 

It's Flemeth, she just represents her badassery aesthetically wise. She isn't different. She is the true Flemeth here.

[captain.subtle]

Brockololly wrote...

I'm no fan of redesigns for the sake of just changing things up, but at least with Flemeth- she IS a powerful shapeshifter who can change her human form quite easily to appear as different things to different people.
Take this codex entry, which is official BioWare stuff: http://social.biowar...dex.php/Flemeth

There is something in what you say indeed. If that story has any grain of truth, then Flemeth seems to be the ONLY shapeshifter capable of taking distinct human forms, which Morrigan said was not possible.....

I am only pissed because that means she can change her age at will also.... WHY the heck does then she need to possess daughters?????????

[captain.subtle]

dewcrowe wrote...

I posted this in the Qunari topic. I think she has taken the body of a Qunari woman since morrigan discovered her plan. The horns are similar to Qunari and her face does look younger.

The Horns and the Talons could be a result of an incomplete transition from Drag©onity to Humanity.....

[hexaligned]

She definitely got a make over at least. Also people keep calling those horns, it just look like she has her hair bound up to me.

[Arttis]

She comes to hawkes rescue at the destruction of lothering that takes place after you finish 1 main plot in DA:O.SO you would need to finish the mages tower as you can not leave untill you finish so you can get the book.THat leaves enough time for flemeth to go rescue hawke and be killed by the warden in DA:O.She can travel very fast as a dragon...

[Herr Uhl]

captain.subtle wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I'm no fan of redesigns for the sake of just changing things up, but at least with Flemeth- she IS a powerful shapeshifter who can change her human form quite easily to appear as different things to different people.
Take this codex entry, which is official BioWare stuff: http://social.biowar...dex.php/Flemeth

There is something in what you say indeed. If that story has any grain of truth, then Flemeth seems to be the ONLY shapeshifter capable of taking distinct human forms, which Morrigan said was not possible.....

I am only pissed because that means she can change her age at will also.... WHY the heck does then she need to possess daughters?????????

Changing age and appearance are two different things. If Morrigan turns into a dog or spider, that doesn't mean that she ages at a different rate, or at least that is what I assume.

A vessel can only take so much stress.

And she is the only *known* shapeshifter besides Morrigan, I'd assume that there are some more somewhere.

[captain.subtle]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Changing age and appearance are two different things. If Morrigan turns into a dog or spider, that doesn't mean that she ages at a different rate, or at least that is what I assume.

Agreed. But would be fallcious if Flemeth no true one form

And she is the only *known* shapeshifter besides Morrigan, I'd assume that there are some more somewhere.

Yes. If one plays dalish elf origin.

[Arttis]

Howe had a shapeshifting mage with him in the dungeons when you fight him.

MOrrigan confirms that you can change how you look as long as you study the person.If she did take the body of her daughter she should know everything about her from a babe to an adult.

[Brockololly]

captain.subtle wrote...

There is something in what you say indeed. If that story has any grain of truth, then Flemeth seems to be the ONLY shapeshifter capable of taking distinct human forms, which Morrigan said was not possible.....

Yeah, Flemeth is a unique brand of shapeshifter/demon/spirit/abomination thing. WIth her whole seeing into the future speak, I have a feeling she is pulling the strings  in this whole thing.

That said, Morrigan never said that she couldn't take on the form of a human however. simply that she wouldn't learn anything by studying a human. Maybe she learns more about that sort of thing from one of Flemeth's grimoires? So while MOrrigan may not have the desire to turn into other human shapes, nothing says Flemeth can't.  Looking in the toolset, the dialogue goes like this:

Warden: Can you change into other human forms, as well?
Morrigan: The form of an animal is different from my own. One may study the creature, learn to move as it does, think as it does.
I gain nothing by studying another human. I already am the same as they are, I learn nothing. So the answer is no, my human form is the only one I possess.

And then you've got one of Morrigan's banters with Shale :

• Shale: How many other forms can the swamp witch become?
• Morrigan: Several.
• Shale: Can it become a golem?
• Morrigan: Seeking companionship, are you?
• Shale: If it could become a golem, I simply wonder why it would not stay that way. It is a superior form.
• Morrigan: No, I cannot become a golem. I can learn to become animals, and each form must be learned anew.
• Shale: And how does it learn a form? Does it read about it somewhere?
• Morrigan: (Laughs) 'Tis not a talent one can read from books! You must copy a creature's soul!

captain.subtle wrote...
I am only pissed because  that means she can change her age at will also.... WHY the heck does then she need to possess daughters?????????

I don't think Flemeth is really changing her age permanently when she is shifting into other human forms. Thi is just my speculation, but I'm thinking that maybe each human form she shifts into is one of her prior daughters whose body she has snatched perhaps? Or maybe her human shifting ability is sort of like the witches in Neil Gaiman's Stardust- basically, the more she uses her magic and shapeshifting the weaker and older her "default" body gets? So, she may be shifting into all sorts of human forms but the more she does that the sooner she will need to find a new human body? Just an idea.

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 août 2010 - 01:41 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Are you sure those are real horns? In the art-work shot it seems to be her hair combed into curly cones, just to make it cool...

[captain.subtle]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, Flemeth is a unique brand of shapeshifter/demon/spirit/abomination thing. WIth her whole seeing into the future speak, I have a feeling she is pulling the strings  in this whole thing.

Darn. Flemeth. Darn her. I just hope that in DA2 you can kill any NPC you like, as in Elder Scrolls. I would kill her again as Hawke, even if it freaks the continuity inside out.

That said, Morrigan never said that she couldn't take on the form of a human however. simply that she wouldn't learn anything by studying a human. Maybe she learns more about that sort of thing from one of Flemeth's grimoires? So while MOrrigan may not have the desire to turn into other human shapes, nothing says Flemeth can't.  Looking in the toolset, the dialogue goes like this:

Warden: Can you change into other human forms, as well?
Morrigan: The form of an animal is different from my own. One may study the creature, learn to move as it does, think as it does.
I gain nothing by studying another human. I already am the same as they are, I learn nothing. So the answer is no, my human form is the only one I possess.

And then you've got one of Morrigan's banters with Shale :

• Shale: How many other forms can the swamp witch become?
• Morrigan: Several.
• Shale: Can it become a golem?
• Morrigan: Seeking companionship, are you?
• Shale: If it could become a golem, I simply wonder why it would not stay that way. It is a superior form.
• Morrigan: No, I cannot become a golem. I can learn to become animals, and each form must be learned anew.
• Shale: And how does it learn a form? Does it read about it somewhere?
• Morrigan: (Laughs) 'Tis not a talent one can read from books! You must copy a creature's soul!

I think the soul in question is species specific all-encompassing title. Otherwise she would always have to turn into Tweety or Tom.

captain.subtle wrote...
I am only pissed because  that means she can change her age at will also.... WHY the heck does then she need to possess daughters?????????

I don't think Flemeth is really changing her age permanently when she is shifting into other human forms. Thi is just my speculation, but I'm thinking that maybe each human form she shifts into is one of her prior daughters whose body she has snatched perhaps? Or maybe her human shifting ability is sort of like the witches in Neil Gaiman's Stardust- basically, the more she uses her magic and shapeshifting the weaker and older her "default" body gets? So, she may be shifting into all sorts of human forms but the more she does that the sooner she will need to find a new human body? Just an idea.

Quite possible. But then Morrigan would know as much not to shift into critters all her childhood.

Modifié par captain.subtle, 01 août 2010 - 01:50 .

[Lucy Glitter]

Thanks Brocko, this pretty much seconds my point, that,



1. She doesn't seem to have aged, she just took off the crappy makeup and did her hair

2. She is still at the beginning Origins, when LOTHERING WAS DESTROYED, meaning Warden has only just done one major questline, meaning there is a small chance you have done the quest or even had the ability to kill her without cheating.

[AlexXIV]

Nobody wondered about her changing into a dragon, but changing into a different looking woman seems to be ... unrealistic? lol