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[Morroian]

Kalfear wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Now, put a fraking ME style dialogue wheel in The Witcher 2 to see what would happen within the fans community! And like Kalfear, I'm definitely not against improvements but when you change the core of a game style like DA2 seems that will do, you should also change its title. It will not be a real Dragon Age II. It might as well just be named "The Dragon Age Effect" and it would all be fine. I may even enjoy it. At least it would leave the hope for a true sequel alive.

So true, If they had just called it Dragon Age: The Hawke Saga, most of my complaints and worries would not exist!

Er which is why they're letting us know well ahead of time. If your complaint is simply with the name and not the gameplay then it isn't much of a complaint.

Kalfear wrote...
I still probably wouldnt buy the game as it seems to be more like ME2 where the story there to prop up the action rather then vise versa as you find in RPGs, but I wouldnt be ragging on it as much either.

But you know what else wouldnt be there, the 3.2 million fans of DA:O. Calling it DA2 gives the false impression this the CONTINUEING SAGA of the Warden and companions.

No it doesn't and like I said above they're releasing information well ahead of time so fans won't be disappointed in that way. Your complaint only has merit for you if you picked up the game expecting to be able to use your DAO character. A sequel is a story that follows on from a previous story and DA2 does, just not with the same characters.

Kalfear wrote...
And thats one of my major issues with Bioware since the buy out. The honesty is gone, replaced with spin and smoke and mirrors!

Yes they're letting us know about the game ahead of time with honesty, but to you its smoke and mirrors<_<

Kalfear wrote...
Fact is most people that loved DA:O will not read up on DA2, they will just assume (rightfully) that DA2 is the continuation of the series because THATS WHAT A SEQUEL IS! A continuation. And thats what Bioware/EA is counting on. Sure they might lose a few thousand (maybe even a few multiples of ten thousands) that know about the changes from the web site but most, the mass majority, will buy the game thinking its one thing and finding out its something else entirely.

Maybe, so what. Thats got nothing to do with the quality of the game. FWIW I never thought we were going to be able to use our Warden in future instalments especially after Awakening. Your complaint seems to surround the fact that you don't think it will sell well, not around the quality of the game yet you say you won't buy it. Your stance seems inconsistent.

Just by way of comparison I'm playing Dawn of war 2 at the moment. I loved DOW1 and it sold well but for DOW 2 they completely revised the game, taking away the cliched RTS elements around base building and making it just a tactical game with some rpg elements. Although DOW 1 was a great game the changes are an improvement and the game seems to have sold pretty well.

Modifié par Morroian, 31 juillet 2010 - 01:39 .

[snfonseka]

GodWood wrote...

I hope DA2 is as dark/darker then the Witcher.

I hope DA2 will be a REAL mature game.

[Cazlee]

DA:O's story and characters were far more interesting than The Witcher's, and for that reason DA:O was the better RPG.  I thought DA:O was a fairly mature game (with all the sex and innuendos) and it was a pretty dark setting (it included rape and killing of children which is generally unheard of in video games.) But I agree that when you made a decision in the Witcher, there were always real consequences. In DA:O, for almost every major crisis (except the end decision, and Orzammar) there was always the obvious "right" solution that had barely any or no consequences (ie black and white decisions). On the other hand, all of the decisions in the Witcher were truly gray. That being said I found the sex cards in the Witcher stupid and immature...

Modifié par Cazlee, 31 juillet 2010 - 02:04 .

[Games4ever]

snfonseka wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I hope DA2 is as dark/darker then the Witcher.

I hope DA2 will be a REAL mature game.

Don't get your hopes up on that,I think the opposite will happen

[elearon1]

>> it was pretty dark (there was rape and killing of children which is generally unheard of in video games.)<<



Aside from The Witcher, of course, which had the same sort of things. The difference here is a matter of atmosphere. In The Witcher the atmosphere was palpable and the decisions fealt like they were being made in a darker world where decisions like this had to be made ... in DA you never really shook the high fantasy feel and when these things came up they typically fealt off handed and lacking weight.



When the early rape and murder thing was brought up in the Witcher storyline my response was "Woh ...." in DA it was more like "huh, interesting" ... it just didn't carry the same intensity.

[nikki191]

nov_pl wrote...

RageGT wrote...


And hey, even Gothic 3 became the Epic it promised to be.. after patch 1.12 but specially after the 900MB community Patch, now in version 1.74. Talk about love for a game by a great community!

Oh yes, that I've got to admit, with community-created Enhanced Edition it's pretty differend game, and even with just few first patches (i guess with 1.5) i finished the game with nV6600 and 512 RAM, and G3 was still one of my favourites

say what? its actually playable now? i liked it but my copy is still sitting somewhere in the wardrobe due to all the crashes

[Nerevar-as]

In Thedas you can be optimistic, even the game is about the fastest defeat of a Blight ever with half of Ferelden against you, and solving most problems in a "good" way. Even if some choices end up having bad consequences, a lot of the impact will be lost (at least for me) if you come across them with a different character.

In the Witcher optimism is not usually an option, I can only think of the werewolf cure which was really happy (and it is treated as something strange in game). In fact, you end PREVENTING the bad guy saving the world (and AFAIK, Geralt did the same in the books, for the same reasons). Of course, the way the bad guy wanted to save the world says everything about the setting.

[Gloatie]

I wouldn't mix the two games, if given a choice. I like them both very much for what they bring to the genre.

That being said, choosing between playing TW2 or DA2 first, I will be choosing the former. I suppose I could try to play them concurrently; but my head would explode.

(Off-topic, sorta: I am one of those weirdos who like the Witcher combat as much as the rest of the game. I suspect a few things of peeps who don't. They don't like first person games AT ALL. or They never realized there are 3 camera setting in the game. or They never played the game on hardest setting. I don't think you are stupid or weird if you don't like the combat, btw. To each his own. But, if you find it odd, consider the things I listed and stick with it. A truly great RPG.)

Oh, had to add this too...If you find the voice acting even in the TWEE to be distracting, run the original Polish with subs. It is top-notch.

Modifié par Gloatie, 31 juillet 2010 - 03:12 .

[Cazlee]

In Thedas you can be optimistic, even the game is about the fastest
defeat of a Blight ever with half of Ferelden against you, and solving
most problems in a "good" way. Even if some choices end up having bad
consequences, a lot of the impact will be lost (at least for me) if you
come across them with a different character.

In the Witcher
optimism is not usually an option.

That's one reason I enjoyed DA:O more... Playing the Witcher would be similar to playing DA:O from Sten's point of view. Sten never smiles or is happy about anything just like Geralt. Too bad Dandillion and that dwarf werent permanent companions to lighten up mood.

Modifié par Cazlee, 31 juillet 2010 - 03:08 .

[marko2te]

TW MUST be played with polish audio, not only its excellent but it adds to medieval atmosphere further enriching gameplay. It was also one of few RPGs where I often just stood admiring the beautiful world design, something that DAO was missing. If I had to choose between DA2 i TW2 I will choose the second option.

[AlanC9]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

The choice/consquence in The Witcher is quite disapointing.
We don't get to affect the fate of the one person we should have most influence over.

I kind of liked that part, actually. You can change some things, but you can't make everything all right.

[DragonRageGT]

Cazlee wrote...
That's one reason I enjoyed DA:O more... Playing the Witcher would be similar to playing DA:O from Sten's point of view. Sten never smiles or is happy about anything just like Geralt. Too bad Dandillion and that dwarf werent permanent companions to lighten up mood.

Hey, that's not true! Give him enough dwarven mead and go visit Shani's Landlady. Geralt is definitely not a Qunari. He actually enjoy many aspects of his life. Granted, most of them make him sad but still, if Morrigan came with the same approach to Geralt as she did to Sten, The White Wolf would show her the moon and stars and even go along with her ritual before letting her know he is sterile!

nov_pl wrote...

RageGT wrote...

You have just described Gothic II... beautifuly too! (not to mention it is a fully 3D world where one can, among other things, climb, jump, dive, swim, cook, skin a wide range of animal trophies - pelt, teeth, horn, claws, wings, stingers, heart, mandibules, etc, forge your own weapons and there is nothing like a self forged big two handed sword. woot!)

Sir, I think our cRPG taste is very similar.
I'd have to think about it for a while but I think the Gothic 2 was my favourite cRPG. With all that you've just said there was good soundtrack and unforgetable mood of this game. I always like to get back to it!

If the PL in your name means Poland, I understand very well why you like it. Most Europeans do. And Australians or Brazilians like me. What I don't understand is why most Americans don't. - Prolly something like soccer/american football thing...

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

marko2te wrote...

TW MUST be played with polish audio, not only its excellent but it adds to medieval atmosphere further enriching gameplay. It was also one of few RPGs where I often just stood admiring the beautiful world design, something that DAO was missing. If I had to choose between DA2 i TW2 I will choose the second option.

Couldn't agree more about the Polish vo's. They are way better, especially Geralt's voice.

And lets face it, most of us who liked TW1 and DA:O will be getting both sequels. My wallet is wincing already. 

Yep, Already saving for both of them plus Arcania-Gothic 4 and whatever new stuff the Piranhas give us after Risen, another awesome game. I'll try to reinstall TW1 with Polish language. After I finish my current Gothics run!

[marko2te]

Lets not forget Guild Wars 2 that should also be released in early 2011.

[HoonDing]

Cazlee wrote...

That's one reason I enjoyed DA:O more... Playing the Witcher would be similar to playing DA:O from Sten's point of view. Sten never smiles or is happy about anything just like Geralt. Too bad Dandillion and that dwarf werent permanent companions to lighten up mood.

Considering he's amnesiac and came back from the dead, it seems kinda logical that he feels a little glum. 

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Great thread...
They are two very different kinds of games in their own right... And two different companies: Bioware is struggling to catch all kinds of casual gamers without losing the hardcore RPG crowd, in order to maximaze profits.  CDP being a smaller, independent company can make it all right by trying to appeal to a very specific niche of hardcore RPG gamers, and in doing so take more risks with the story and themes. I kind of have the impression that the devs in CDP have more control over the game also.


Personal preferences tell nothing but what kind of story you would like more.
I d like Bioware to give more depth to the plot of the next Dragon Age game, and add more mature themes , with real in-game consequences, like many said already. And if they are going to include sex, please, do it in a mature way (having people "doing it" with 1950s underwear is just silly). It really strikes me that its perfectly all right to show how to disembody thousends of monsters in thousends of nasty and gruesome ways, but they cant show even a glimpse of a naked body because the earth will collapse... Apart from the stupid sex postcards, and the over the top fact that you could almost bang everydody in the game, the witcher had some three or four interesting and disctintive cinematics regarding sexual situations, instead of THE SAME cinematic with the same " porno-soft" music in Dragon Age.

I'm personally more interested in The Witcher. I tend to read the novels some time in the future. The themes and conflicts of that world are much more appealing to me than killing some "dark" menace that comes from somewhere and save the world. Take for example the Elves. For me its not so interesting knowing about their lore and culture but dealing with their conflicts: Are thehy freedom-fighters, fighting against human imperialism or are they just terrorists who take advantage of caos? The most appealing thing about it is that if you side with them, facts dont change, they dont behave with less cruelty, the only thing that changes is YOUR PERSPECTIVE of the conflict.
Other thing I liked is the anti-hero qualities of Geralt. Hes not going to save the world, hes just a character moving in the " backgrounds", having very cool adventures.
Another cool stuff is the witchers philosophy or "world view". Theyre struggling to find a balance, which is a theme of oriental philosophy (while western philosophy sees things in terms of opposites that try to overcome one another). I dream of the time some conpany takes the story of "Earthsea" (also very much into those themes)and creates a cool game.
And another thing is that there is a kind of "progression" of the character, clearly shown in the games chapters recaps, as he deals with some  of the conflicts. That a reputedly monster-slayer finds that humans are sometimes more monster-like than the creatures he slays is a very cool theme.

I will also be getting both games in the future, though I see Dragon Age with a much longer life-span, if they dont screw up the story. After TW3 (if theres one at all)  there wont be  much more to do with Geralt if CDP dont want to start stealing stuff from the seven or eight novels... :-)

[elearon1]

>>After TW3 (if theres one at all) there wont be much more to do with Geralt if CDP dont want to start stealing stuff from the seven or eight novels... :-)<<



I should point out that they do use material from the novels on more than one occasion. The opening cinematic about Geralt curing the princess is almost a blow for blow account of one of those tales. (though you learn some stuff in the story that isn't really made clear by the opening cinematic - so a very enlightening read) Not to mention "The Price of Neutrality" added content mission is a combination of two Witcher tales.



Not to say that is a bad thing - so long as they do the stories credit I would be fine with them completely reusing the source material.

[Nerevar-as]

Morrigan is nothing compared to Geralt´s girlfriend in the books (and this is not an attackt against Morrigan, she is probably my favorite female character in videogames). And while I think he would warn Morrigan about beign sterile, but would likely keep her tent warm. In the books he is not so much a "everywoman that moves" (Dandelion/Jaskier however...) as taking a chance when he sees he has it (which is a lot of times - Shani was one of those).



About more sequels to the Witcher, if TW2 and possibly 3 are successful, they probably could risk changing main character.

[elearon1]

I agree that 3 really probably is all you'll need out of the franchise - though assuming they continue to do a good job we'll all be thinking, "just one more?" Yet I wouldn't mind seeing what else they can put together.



As for risking a different main character - I doubt it. The setting really is defined in many ways by Geralt and it would not be the same without him. It would be like trying to tell a Hyborian Age story without Conan. (yes I know they've tried to do it, and the results have been terrible - case in point)

[Nerevar-as]

Only reason I can see for QTE is to break combat pattern, so you don´t get the tactic and repeat again and again, but just guessing.

DA2 for certain doesn´t need that, at least with the Origins tactical system.

[Kalfear]

ahhh yes, the clever Bioware fanboi trolls that try to disect your post rather then read it as the body of work it was intended as!



Troll on Morroian troll on! You do the lemming squad proud!



For the rest



Yeah 3 games makes a franchise normally! I cant see Geralts story going more then 3 games but I could see a Witchers franchise going many games.



this brings us back to what I was saying about naming of DA2. You can have TW1,2,3 which is all Geralt and then the 4th game could be The Witcher: Afetrsdiijh story. Players instantly know you not playing Geralt so expectation for that is gone! Thats how they should have done Dragon Age 2. Should be Dragon Age : Hawkes Saga , or what ever. Clear indication in the title this not a sequal continuing the story!



As for QTE, Im actually willing to wait and see on that in TW2. Because it still LOOKS like the Witcher style combat! CD Projekt is trying something new but at the same time staying true to its previous standards. Change doesnt scare me so im willing to give the QTE a chance and see what its about!



Now if I play The Witcher 2 and find a dumbed down story thats only there to prop up combat sequences, im going to be pissed, like I was for ME2. TW2 is a RPG and that means STORY comes before combat ALWAYS! And no amount of spin will change that fact.

[Grommash94]

Kalfear wrote...

this brings us back to what I was saying about naming of DA2. You can have TW1,2,3 which is all Geralt and then the 4th game could be The Witcher: Afetrsdiijh story. Players instantly know you not playing Geralt so expectation for that is gone! Thats how they should have done Dragon Age 2. Should be Dragon Age : Hawkes Saga , or what ever. Clear indication in the title this not a sequal continuing the story!

That would be true; if DA2 was a series, like TW. It is a franchise, about the stories of Dragon Age, not of the Warden. If the game was called The Warden: Origins, then yes, you would be right, but as it wasn't, and as Dragon Age is a franchise, there was no reason to expect that the sequel would have anything to do with the Warden.