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[Bryy_Miller]

Kalfear wrote...

ahhh yes, the clever Bioware fanboi trolls that try to disect your post rather then read it as the body of work it was intended as!

You're right, quoting things that you actually wrote so you can address them all as different points is totally lame!

[Kalfear]

Grommash94 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

this brings us back to what I was saying about naming of DA2. You can have TW1,2,3 which is all Geralt and then the 4th game could be The Witcher: Afetrsdiijh story. Players instantly know you not playing Geralt so expectation for that is gone! Thats how they should have done Dragon Age 2. Should be Dragon Age : Hawkes Saga , or what ever. Clear indication in the title this not a sequal continuing the story!

That would be true; if DA2 was a series, like TW. It is a franchise, about the stories of Dragon Age, not of the Warden. If the game was called The Warden: Origins, then yes, you would be right, but as it wasn't, and as Dragon Age is a franchise, there was no reason to expect that the sequel would have anything to do with the Warden.

Sorry Grom but when they tacked that "2" onto the DA name, they COUNTED on some of their player base assuming it was a sequel and no amount of spin control can change that fact (and yes, its a fact).

Dragon Age : Origins set the storyline
Bioware understands this btw, why else you think they called it Leliannas Song in the DLC and not just DA #4 dlc (generic name but makes the point)
Most people (and most dont hit these boards btw) are going to see Dragon Age 2 and say to themselves "AWSOME, what trouble my Warden going to get into now?". I know this cause its exactly what Myself and I dare say the mass majority said here when they first heard DA2.
They didnt go "Awsome, I hope I get to play a different character then the one I care about with completely new art so I dont recognize anything and a new dialog system so I dont know what im saying and ...." Well you get the point!

No, they said "Whats MY CHARACTER (The Warden) going to do now?"

And thats what Bioware wants everyone outside this page to think, other wise you stop trying to deceive your customer base and just be straight up and honest!

Dragon age :Hawkes Saga makes all the problems go away! Course it also makes the 3.2 million Origin buyers go away till they hear more about game, at a minimum! Hense the real reason for the #2 in name!

[Grommash94]

Kalfear wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

this brings us back to what I was saying about naming of DA2. You can have TW1,2,3 which is all Geralt and then the 4th game could be The Witcher: Afetrsdiijh story. Players instantly know you not playing Geralt so expectation for that is gone! Thats how they should have done Dragon Age 2. Should be Dragon Age : Hawkes Saga , or what ever. Clear indication in the title this not a sequal continuing the story!

That would be true; if DA2 was a series, like TW. It is a franchise, about the stories of Dragon Age, not of the Warden. If the game was called The Warden: Origins, then yes, you would be right, but as it wasn't, and as Dragon Age is a franchise, there was no reason to expect that the sequel would have anything to do with the Warden.

Sorry Grom but when they tacked that "2" onto the DA name, they COUNTED on some of their player base assuming it was a sequel and no amount of spin control can change that fact (and yes, its a fact).

It can be a sequel and have nothing to do with the previous story (even though they have said that our actions will have an effect on DA2) The LOTR books are considered sequels of The Hobbit, for example. That is what a franchise essentially is.

They had always said that DA was a franchise. And to most people, the idea of playing another character other than Hawke is actually exciting; in fact, most complaints about DA2 have nothing to do with it being called DA2, or that the Warden isn't getting closure or whatever.

[AlanC9]

You just don't appreciate the artistic unity of his posts, Bryy.

Modifié par AlanC9, 31 juillet 2010 - 07:27 .

[captain.subtle]

Grommash94 wrote...

It can be a sequel and have nothing to do with the previous story (even though they have said that our actions will have an effect on DA2) The LOTR books are considered sequels of The Hobbit, for example. That is what a franchise essentially is.

A sequel is a work in literature, film, or other media that chronologically portrays events following those of a previous work. (wikipedia)

And hobbit fits this description. Silmarillion would be prequel. Unfinished tales would be in Franchise.

[Grommash94]

captain.subtle wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

It can be a sequel and have nothing to do with the previous story (even though they have said that our actions will have an effect on DA2) The LOTR books are considered sequels of The Hobbit, for example. That is what a franchise essentially is.

A sequel is a work in literature, film, or other media that chronologically portrays events following those of a previous work. (wikipedia)

Technically, DA2 fits that description, considering that most of Hawke's story takes place after the events in Ferelden.

And hobbit fits this description. Silmarillion would be prequel. Unfinished tales would be in Franchise.

But its all part of the LOTR franchise.

Modifié par Grommash94, 31 juillet 2010 - 07:34 .

[AlanC9]

Kalfear wrote...
Sorry Grom but when they tacked that "2" onto the DA name, they COUNTED on some of their player base assuming it was a sequel and no amount of spin control can change that fact (and yes, its a fact).

They counted on being able to disappoint people? I never know when you're kidding.

Most people (and most dont hit these boards btw) are going to see Dragon Age 2 and say to themselves "AWSOME, what trouble my Warden going to get into now?". I know this cause its exactly what Myself and I dare say the mass majority said here when they first heard DA2.

So most players of NWN2, KotOR2, Fallout 2 thought that their character was going to be used again? I'm sure there were a few who were too lazy or stupid to find out what was in those games. But most? And I thought I had a low opinion of the average gamer....

Modifié par AlanC9, 31 juillet 2010 - 07:33 .

[captain.subtle]

Grommash94 wrote... that description, considering that most of Hawke's story takes place after the events in Ferelden.

There I agree with you entirely. It IS a sequel. Hobbit and LOTR do indeed have varying characters..... e.g. Bilbo plays a minor role (explicitly) in the LOTR as comapred to frodo and Aragorn. Gandalf does return though. To be honest., Hobbit was never meant to be continued. It was a lucky chance that made Tolkien write on to LOTR, 20 freaking years later.

[DespiertaLosNinos]

Kalfear wrote...
"AWSOME, what trouble my Warden going to get into now?". I know this cause its exactly what Myself and I dare say the mass majority said here when they first heard DA2.

Opinions are great up until the point you start believeing them as fact.  Personally I was done with the wardens after DA:O, time for something new.

Modifié par DespiertaLosNinos, 31 juillet 2010 - 07:40 .

[Kalfear]

captain.subtle wrote...

Grommash94 wrote... that description, considering that most of Hawke's story takes place after the events in Ferelden.

There I agree with you entirely. It IS a sequel. Hobbit and LOTR do indeed have varying characters..... e.g. Bilbo plays a minor role (explicitly) in the LOTR as comapred to frodo and Aragorn. Gandalf does return though. To be honest., Hobbit was never meant to be continued. It was a lucky chance that made Tolkien write on to LOTR, 20 freaking years later.

LOTR perfect example of what im saying!

Hobbit was first
Then LotR which had a carry over character but was a brand new story really so it wasnt called
The Hobbit 2
was called The Lord of the Rings (which is what it was about)

Is this really DA2
or is it
DA:Hawkes Cronicles

One name ensures around 3 million sales, the other ensures people understand its a different ip set in same area/setting!

But I see the mindless lemmings are starting to come here with their attacks (not you and for a change not Grom) so ill bow out of this discussion (sad cant have a mature discussion on these boards anymore) as I dont do stupidity and welp, I see a couple posters trying to stir up their special own brand of stupidity, like only they and their other 13 pack members can do!

[Behindyounow]

DespiertaLosNinos wrote...

Kalfear wrote...
"AWSOME, what trouble my Warden going to get into now?". I know this cause its exactly what Myself and I dare say the mass majority said here when they first heard DA2.

Opinions are great up until the point you start believeing them as fact.  Personally I was done with the wardens after DA:O, time for something new.

Same. I was sick of playing as a Warden. And, seeing as DA2 won't involve a Blight, there is no need to carry on playing as the Warden anyway.

[Grommash94]

Kalfear wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Grommash94 wrote... that description, considering that most of Hawke's story takes place after the events in Ferelden.

There I agree with you entirely. It IS a sequel. Hobbit and LOTR do indeed have varying characters..... e.g. Bilbo plays a minor role (explicitly) in the LOTR as comapred to frodo and Aragorn. Gandalf does return though. To be honest., Hobbit was never meant to be continued. It was a lucky chance that made Tolkien write on to LOTR, 20 freaking years later.

But I see the mindless lemmings are starting to come here with their attacks (not you and for a change not Grom) so ill bow out of this discussion (sad cant have a mature discussion on these boards anymore) as I dont do stupidity and welp, I see a couple posters trying to stir up their special own brand of stupidity, like only they and their other 13 pack members can do!

Some people have different opinions about the game, and disagree with you when you mix opinion and fact. I don't see how they are mindless lemmings. Heck, with you labeling most people who disagree with you as fanboys, are you really surprised that people wouldn't take your posts seriously? 

[Nerevar-as]

LOTR wasn´t planned at all when the Hobbit was written, while it´s clear DA"2" (thank you turian councilor) is. I just hope if they change main character in 2 they do it also in 3. Otherwise it just feels an excuse to avoid multiple voice overs (12 vs 2 - I don´t think we´ll see much of the Warden in the future).

My point is, in sequels the norm is closing story arcs with the characters involved in them. Unless they close the DR arc, Architect, remaining Old Gods,... with DLC (and solving important plots in DLC is getting annoying) there´s just not the same feelings if you come across them with other character. What the Ring was in LOTR was never a point in The Hobbit.

I still trust Gaider´s writing, so it wuld take a big Wallbanger to stop me from getting DA2, but the direction of this is just puzzling.

[DragonRageGT]

"A captivating story, dynamic combat system, beautiful graphics, and everything else that made the original Dragon Age such a great game are now executed in a much more advanced and sophisticated way."

While DA2 may be a great game and I'll definitely give it a chance before deciding whether or not to put my money on it, specially because of the "franchise" thing you guys mention, I really think its title should not induce thoughts of a Sequel. Thus its own name should me more appropriate and would do no harm to business, IMHO. The above quote is a fake, as you most certainly know.

So, we have "Dragon Age: Origins". Next big chapter might very well just have a title instead of a number. It would make much more sense. Dragon Age: Hawke Legend, Dragon Age: Spartans, what-the-frak-ever.

Unless the above quote was indeed true but then DA2 would need to be a sequel. And the original quote is:

"A captivating story, dynamic combat system, beautiful graphics, and everything else that made the original Witcher such a great game are now executed in a much more advanced and sophisticated way."

Modifié par RageGT, 31 juillet 2010 - 08:32 .

[AlanC9]

Grommash94 wrote...
Some people have different opinions about the game, and disagree with you when you mix opinion and fact. I don't see how they are mindless lemmings. Heck, with you labeling most people who disagree with you as fanboys, are you really surprised that people wouldn't take your posts seriously? 

I think Kalfear's specifically talking about me, and maybe Bryy too. Apparently I've been very mean to him, or something.

Modifié par AlanC9, 31 juillet 2010 - 08:45 .

[KingRanger]

And using profanity in a game is always a plus in my book.

Yeah. Using profanity sure does make a game better......Sad.

[KingRanger]

captain.subtle wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

It can be a sequel and have nothing to do with the previous story (even though they have said that our actions will have an effect on DA2) The LOTR books are considered sequels of The Hobbit, for example. That is what a franchise essentially is.

A sequel is a work in literature, film, or other media that chronologically portrays events following those of a previous work. (wikipedia)

And hobbit fits this description. Silmarillion would be prequel. Unfinished tales would be in Franchise.

And you just proved DA2 IS in FACT a sequel to DAO. I swear, some of the ****ing on these forums about bioware just cracks me up. People can't seem to just enjoy games anymore.

[captain.subtle]

KingRanger wrote...


And you just proved DA2 IS in FACT a sequel to DAO. I swear, some of the ****ing on these forums about bioware just cracks me up. People can't seem to just enjoy games anymore.

But I do agree that DA2 IS a sequel! Unless you are saying something I missed...

[winter troll]

witcher 2 versus dragon age 2 , my money in witcher 2 if i were forced to choose . i should say that physics , visuals and graphics were superior to dragon age even though game is older then dragon age by 2 years .

[Loc'n'lol]

winter troll wrote...

witcher 2 versus dragon age 2

is not what this thread is about.

[Morroian]

Kalfear wrote...

ahhh yes, the clever Bioware fanboi trolls that try to disect your post rather then read it as the body of work it was intended as!

Troll on Morroian troll on! You do the lemming squad proud!

Check some of my posts on the DLC and Awakenings. I almost gave up on the franchise over them. The fact is most of the complaints over DA2, yours especially and Kordaris's, have very little basis in fact and are just whinging over the fact that DA2 isn't the game you want it to be, not over its quality. And like I said your complaints don't even make sense.

[DragonRageGT]

Morroian wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

ahhh yes, the clever Bioware fanboi trolls that try to disect your post rather then read it as the body of work it was intended as!

Troll on Morroian troll on! You do the lemming squad proud!

Check some of my posts on the DLC and Awakenings. I almost gave up on the franchise over them. The fact is most of the complaints over DA2, yours especially and Kordaris's, have very little basis in fact and are just whinging over the fact that DA2 isn't the game you want it to be, not over its quality. And like I said your complaints don't even make sense.

Well, the one thing that bugs me the most is the fraking dialogue wheel! If fits well to ME I guess because it's sci-fi and all but for a fantasy/medieval/cape&sword style of game... thinking of such interface gives me the creeps.  Specially since I did played both ME and while it is a crappy system, it worked for that game I guess. Even so, it is the worst dialogue system I ever played in any game. The ME's system I mean. I would really hate to see that in Dragon Age!

(forgot to mention that since I had no keyboard control over the dialogue choices, my very expensive and sensitive cordless laser mouse would more oftenly than I'd like, be quite hard to control and let me choose the dialogue option I wanted. I had to reload many times because it simply would get me the line I wouldn't choose when I left clicked.)

Other than that, I really don't mind playing a fixed char, no races to choose, fully voiced, etc. It is like Bioware is trying to create a legendary character... pretty much like John/Jane Shepard, Geralt of Rivia, Lara Croft, Carl Johnson, Nico Belic and the best one of them all, imho, the Nameless Hero that doesn't need a name to be the best recognizable character in his world!

Of course, it works a lot better, for me, in a full 3D open world. Because honestly, while Dragon Age is one of the greatest games, it is only so because of the top quality writting, the cliché yet very appealing story and the deep involvement I could have with the NPCs. The game mechanics, gameplay and specially the 2D world is far from remarkable! (well, except for the Finishing Moves, I'd say. But those only happens when the stuff is already dead, xp is already granted and it is not controlled/triggered on purpose by the player and many times they simply don't happen at all)

Modifié par RageGT, 31 juillet 2010 - 11:52 .

[Nerevar-as]

So far DA2 is more spin-off than sequel.

Venetica also uses the wheel, each option describing what you are going to say/ask for and the tone, with up to 6 options. Works fine IMHO in a fantasy setting.

The Warden is already a legendary character. And they didn´t try to sell him so much as the ultimate badass as with Hawke so far, though it is part of the way the story is told. He also has the same problem as a possible succesor to Shepard in ME: it´s hard he comes across a greatest threat (with Flemeth there it is not impossible though).

If you didn´t like gameplay and mechanics stay away from Drakensang, it makes DA feel almost like a TPS. Also, open world has always so far been at the expense of story. After a time I just realize I haven´t moved at all in the main quest whether it was Morrowind, Fallout 3 or Gothic 3, it just isn´t as interesting as exploring around. The first 2 Gothics had a better balance by making later chapters plot driven rather than exploration based, but still were far from BW games in story and characters.