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[Relshar]

I loved the Witcher, I also like DA:O. But for story and game play for me both were excellent hard to separate them both.

But the Witcher was more mature in regards to content and language. Also you saw the consequences happening in game after each chapter. Or even during major events.



Combat was pretty easy in the Witcher you just had to know when to swing the sword.

[DragonRageGT]

Relshar wrote...

Combat was pretty easy in the Witcher you just had to know when to swing the sword.

Not that easy in Hard mode if you didn't use alchemy to enhance your weapons according to the enemy and well, if you try that approach versus those exploding slugs in the swamp... that a certain death.

Combat is good in TW because dodging is always fun and a double pirouette followed by a triple attack is deadly! :happy:

[Tirigon]

Weldridge wrote...

Your comparison of The Witcher to the likes of Baldur's Gate...and Neverwinter Knights....and KoTOR is just mind boggling. The Witcher was based off of a BOOK......there isn't a single original thought in the game. Where as, although the setting was semi-determined by the different universes, the stories for BG, NWN, and KoTOR were completely original stories!

And I can't believe I'm even hearing you compare The Witcher to games such as Starcraft and Warcraft II, or perhaps even Diablo I/II. The Witcher is a farce when compared to these games of complete and utter originality. There are reasons these companies have risen to the top, and it's got everything to do with money. Why? Because they have it. Because they produce top quality games, period. If you do not produce good games....your company will fail.

Mass Effect 2 had amazing character immersion if you took the time to attempt it, as a matter of fact I felt like there was better character immersion than in ME1. I felt like the combat system took a dive in favor of better story.

This is not a matter of opinion....or rather it is....and your opinion is so skewed because the companies don't stick to what your used to so you say that the game is bad.

Wake up.

I can not take people talking about Baldur´s Gate seriously anymore.


Anyways, what´s wrong with "The Witcher" being based on a book? The story is still great (way better than DAO´s or ME´s, that´s for sure...)

And about Warcraft II, well, I never played it, and I won´t. It´s simply too old. Witcher isn´t.

[Relshar]

RageGT wrote...

Relshar wrote...

Combat was pretty easy in the Witcher you just had to know when to swing the sword.

Not that easy in Hard mode if you didn't use alchemy to enhance your weapons according to the enemy and well, if you try that approach versus those exploding slugs in the swamp... that a certain death.

Combat is good in TW because dodging is always fun and a double pirouette followed by a triple attack is deadly! :happy:

I got a good grip on the Alchemy so combat was easy. It was a matter of balancing the potions before they poison you.

[marko2te]

RageGT wrote...

I've played most of them.

Morrowind is a very good game and Oblivion gave me over 1,000 hours of great fun.(at least that's what my 2 main chars show with over 500 hours each in their record) If it were a bad game, it would never have had a large fan base and it has. (9.5 users' score with 36k votes at GameSpot/ 9.4 critics' score) Oblivion is a lot better with Mods, of course.

A bad game is Dungeon Lords. (6.3 score from 1,300 users .. eh.. for that one I'd follow the critics' score of 4.8 or even less)

The fact that you in particular may have not liked it does not make it true. And actually, I don't understand why some people acts as though loyalty to a game or gaming house is equal to trashing everything else.

Lots of people can enjoy a whole range of different games, just like they can enjoy a wide range of musical styles. The fact that I love classics doesn't mean I can't love Heavy Metal and Pop, Blues and Jazz, Rock and Dance. There are great pieces and bad ones too in any of them

Gothic, Risen, Morrowind, Oblivion, BG, NWN, TW and prolly many more that I don't know or don't remember right now, are great games. Fortunate are those who can enjoy any or all and do not necessarily need to trash the others to show one's love for a game.

(how can someone like FO3 w/out liking Oblivion? they're the same game w/ different graphics! which is why I could not play FO3 - I cannot touch Oblivion again... od'ed on it and of course, the queue advances and new and more enjoyable stuff appeared)

Popularity is not a measure of game quality, Oblivion is still popular because of the great modding tools and active modding community, without those things the game would lose 80% of todays fan base.
And critics score especially from large gaming sites like Gamespot is all but trustworthy. Have you forgotten how Kane & Lynch, big AAA game, got a bad score and the reviewer immediately got sacked. Its already common knowledge that AAA games are only scored on 7-10 scale. Also by that score Oblivion is a better game that classics like Planescape Torment, Baldurs Gate or Fallout which is ridiculous.


Oblivion has a bad story, aweful dialogs and voice acting, dumb down character creation, broken level and loot scalling, uninspired world and dungeon design. I enjoy RPGs and have played pretty much every one that was released in the last ten years and among those I find dissapointing is Oblivion.  It is my opinion and as someone can say that they think Oblivion is a wonderful game so do I can say its a crappy game. 

Also I hated Fallout 3 but did think it did a few things better then Oblivion so in my opinion it is a step forward in right direction.

Modifié par marko2te, 01 août 2010 - 08:41 .

[Tirigon]

Oblivion was great when I played it through the first time (took me about 100 hours), then it was great for another 100 hours with some mods and finally I had some fun when I had more modded stuff than Vanilla game and cheated my char to 100 on all skills.... After that, it became boring because I had done it all.



On the other hand, that´s more playing time I enjoyed than every other game except for DotA.

However, you can not compare games to DotA because even the best ones will seem like utter sh!t in comparison.



DotA is simply what a game would be if God had created the very best game.

[winter troll]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Oblivion is teribad ... please dont bring this trash here ...

WHHHHHHHATTT HOW DARE YOU OBLVION WAS GREAT GAME !!!!! i love when game makers think out of the box . Like hey what would happen if you allow players to get infected with diseases that would turn them into monsters .

[Pedrak]

AlanC9 wrote...

Exactly so. The things Oblivion does well -- and there are a few -- happen to be the things I don't care about. Plus it completely fails at -- or doesn't attempt --  some of the things I do care about.

TW and DA, meanwhile, do well at the things I want an RPG to do.

Same here. Bethesda is great at "run around a huge open world and spend 500 hours doing whatever comes to your mind" sandbox freedom, which I don't value particularly, while I really don't care for their characters, stories and choice&consequence, which are a must for me.

This isn't to say they make "bad" games - just games I'm not very interested in.

Modifié par Pedrak, 01 août 2010 - 09:10 .

[winter troll]

Tirigon wrote...

Oblivion was great when I played it through the first time (took me about 100 hours), then it was great for another 100 hours with some mods and finally I had some fun when I had more modded stuff than Vanilla game and cheated my char to 100 on all skills.... After that, it became boring because I had done it all.

On the other hand, that´s more playing time I enjoyed than every other game except for DotA.
However, you can not compare games to DotA because even the best ones will seem like utter sh!t in comparison.

DotA is simply what a game would be if God had created the very best game.

really ?. And if you going to compare games  to its likes NWN 2 was better in terms of plot , companions and varriety . Only thing it didnt have  were spraypaint blood and finishing movies , and aura engine wasnt well optimized and looked dated . Only thing that was bad were dated visuals and warlock class was poorly made .

Modifié par winter troll, 01 août 2010 - 09:08 .

[adamm24680]

Tirigon wrote...

Weldridge wrote...

Your comparison of The Witcher to the likes of Baldur's Gate...and Neverwinter Knights....and KoTOR is just mind boggling. The Witcher was based off of a BOOK......there isn't a single original thought in the game. Where as, although the setting was semi-determined by the different universes, the stories for BG, NWN, and KoTOR were completely original stories!

And I can't believe I'm even hearing you compare The Witcher to games such as Starcraft and Warcraft II, or perhaps even Diablo I/II. The Witcher is a farce when compared to these games of complete and utter originality. There are reasons these companies have risen to the top, and it's got everything to do with money. Why? Because they have it. Because they produce top quality games, period. If you do not produce good games....your company will fail.

Mass Effect 2 had amazing character immersion if you took the time to attempt it, as a matter of fact I felt like there was better character immersion than in ME1. I felt like the combat system took a dive in favor of better story.

This is not a matter of opinion....or rather it is....and your opinion is so skewed because the companies don't stick to what your used to so you say that the game is bad.

Wake up.

I can not take people talking about Baldur´s Gate seriously anymore.


Anyways, what´s wrong with "The Witcher" being based on a book? The story is still great (way better than DAO´s or ME´s, that´s for sure...)

And about Warcraft II, well, I never played it, and I won´t. It´s simply too old. Witcher isn´t.

Actually, the story in "The Witcher" begins five years after the last book, so it's completely original.

[KingRanger]

Oblivion has a bad story, aweful dialogs and voice acting, dumb down character creation, broken level and loot scalling, uninspired world and dungeon design. I enjoy RPGs and have played pretty much every one that was released in the last ten years and among those I find dissapointing is Oblivion.  It is my opinion and as someone can say that they think Oblivion is a wonderful game so do I can say its a crappy game.

The story is amazing. The dialogs, as you refer to them, some are good and some are bad but then others are amazing. Dumbed down character creation? You know most of what you said is opinion, and that is one thing, but to say it has dumbed down character creation makes me just pretty much know... That you are a liar and have ever even played Oblivion.

Uninspired world? Are you out of your damn mind? The world is huge, has a lot in it, a lot to interact with.. .I swear you must be one of those people that doesn't like anything. I very much doubt you have played every rpg released in the last 10 years. That is like those people that say "I PLAYED all of so and so genre so listen to me I know", when you don't know really much of anything. You're right it is your opinion to say it's a crappy game. I just don't think you've even played it, or if you have it was only for like 4 minutes.

The ONLY problem with oblivion is the voice acting. WHo they have did a good job, but they need MORE voice actors.

[KingRanger]

marko2te wrote...

matt1284 wrote...

I hate to bring it up again, but Oblivion is still an excellent choice of a fantasy rpg.

Oblivion is one of the worst games I ever played and I started my gaming with Atari in late 80s.

So you started gaming with a system that was dead by the time you started playing it?

[winter troll]

although dragon age is a decent game , for people who been playing rpgs since they were ten DAO is just another over hyped/marketed standard rpg that looks like another lame hollywood action fantasy without soul or substance. It doesn't deserve even to be mentioned next to witcher's name .



Its like disgaea series if you havent played many j-rpgs you love it , but if you have played more then three its just same old nonsense .

[DragonRageGT]

Relshar wrote...

I got a good grip on the Alchemy so combat was easy. It was a matter of balancing the potions before they poison you.

And also mastering the dominance of secondary properties like Rubedo, Albedo and Nigredo. Some of them drasticaly reduces the toxicity of the potions.  =)

marko2te wrote...

Oblivion has a bad story, aweful dialogs and voice acting, dumb down character creation, ...

Say that to this Vampire chick! =)

marko2te wrote...

...broken level and loot scalling, uninspired world and dungeon design. I enjoy RPGs and have played pretty much every one that was released in the last ten years and among those I find dissapointing is Oblivion. It is my opinion and as someone can say that they think Oblivion is a wonderful game so do I can say its a crappy game.

Well, while Oblivion is on the bottom part of that list I mentioned, it was still fun for a couple of runs, specially if you consider that each "run" through Oblivion took me some 500 hours each. And the level scaling can be seen in DA:O too. While some people complain about it even for DA:O, it didn't really bothered me. Both my chars reached level 54 and after 30+, both loot and enemies stop scaling. Actually, loot becomes pretty mundane items again.

And Sean Bean was cool! I don't think the world was that uninspired. It was really fun to explore it all. The highest peak of the highest mountain is always fun tto reach in many games. (G3 in particular!) but I fully agree with you about Dungeons and Caves.

marko2te wrote...

Popularity is not a measure of game quality, Oblivion is still popular because of the great modding tools and active modding community, without those things the game would lose 80% of todays fan base.
And critics score especially from large gaming sites like Gamespot is all but trustworthy.

I left this to the end because this is where things get my serious thoughts. While I fully agree with you about large gaming sites, specially GameSpot, there is a difference between what I pointed out and what you did.

I could care less about what score GameSpot gives to a game. But the Users' score are usually pretty meaningful. And more often than not, they show a quite different oppinion from the Site's oppinion. Also, critics' score is not the gaming site Score, but a whole bunch of gaming sites own score used in the calculation. Some of them are pretty independent from this mainstream "bribe-me-for-a-good-review" policy.

Check what GameSpot did to Risen. I'd say that the reviewer just sucked at the game because he kept dying to a Wild Boar at his amazing level 2 in Easy Difficulty. While they're not supposed to be fought at level 2, since there's no level scaling in Risen, a skilled player can still kill a Boar at level 2 in Hard Difficulty as long as he manages to avoid being hit at all. It is a one hit kill until a few higher levels and even then it's a stun lock attack if you get hit. I bet that if the guy had an easy time with the game AND The Piranhas had an EA behind them, his score would be a lot higher.

But what I wanted to say is a quote from Isabel Allende, who is in Brazil this week for a Literary Fest and has sold over 56 million units of her books. "I've won prizes in many countries, not because my book sold well but because of their quality. But to judge a successful best seller as a bad quality product is really to underestimate the readers' judgment."

Don't underestimate the gamers' judgment either.

[DragonRageGT]

Tirigon wrote...

DotA is simply what a game would be if God had created the very best game.

Do you mean Warcraft III's DotA??? I hope so! =)))

[marko2te]

KingRanger wrote...

Oblivion has a bad story, aweful dialogs and voice acting, dumb down character creation, broken level and loot scalling, uninspired world and dungeon design. I enjoy RPGs and have played pretty much every one that was released in the last ten years and among those I find dissapointing is Oblivion.  It is my opinion and as someone can say that they think Oblivion is a wonderful game so do I can say its a crappy game.

The story is amazing. The dialogs, as you refer to them, some are good and some are bad but then others are amazing. Dumbed down character creation? You know most of what you said is opinion, and that is one thing, but to say it has dumbed down character creation makes me just pretty much know... That you are a liar and have ever even played Oblivion.

Uninspired world? Are you out of your damn mind? The world is huge, has a lot in it, a lot to interact with.. .I swear you must be one of those people that doesn't like anything. I very much doubt you have played every rpg released in the last 10 years. That is like those people that say "I PLAYED all of so and so genre so listen to me I know", when you don't know really much of anything. You're right it is your opinion to say it's a crappy game. I just don't think you've even played it, or if you have it was only for like 4 minutes.

The ONLY problem with oblivion is the voice acting. WHo they have did a good job, but they need MORE voice actors.

Story is not amazing, its your standard plot of saving the world from ancient evil, which is pretty much 9/10 RPGs out there, but in Oblivion its presented trough badly written characters and dialogs. If you want to see good dialogs and story play Planescape Torment, Bloodlines or Mask of the Betrayer.

Have you ever played Daggerfall an old Bethesda game? There you could modify your stats, choose from twice as much skills, give yourself advantages and disadvantages and even modify your reputation toward game factions. Oblivion has smaller number of skill from any TES game, only upside is that you can modify you apperance, to me personally is still dumbing down.

Oblivions world was empty, there is very few things you could do outside dungeons and towns. Compare this to world of Gothic where every corner of the world holds secrets and awards your exploration, and Gothic 3 was even bigger game then Oblivion.

As for Atari, my dad got me one pretty late, in the early 90s I switched to C64 and only in 97. did I get my first PC, here in Balkans we get our tech a bit late.

[Nerevar-as]

adamm24680 wrote...


Actually, the story in "The Witcher" begins five years after the last book, so it's completely original.

Actually it follows the reason behind many of the events from the book which has a rather ...atypical for lack of a better word resolution in the books. It seems the Witcher world is so dark fantasy that plans to get ready for the profecy (an normal ice age in the long future) are even worse. I hope they keep adressing it in the game.

[Malanek]

What I liked about the witcher was that often there was no right choice. I liked trying to play the morally good character in that game. In DA:O that was a lot easier to the point I think the only tough calls in the entire game was whether to let Morrigan have her way and which Dwarf king to put on the throne. On the other hand the witcher had translation problems (yes even in the enhanced edition) that sometimes made the plot hard to follow.

The combat was OK for a little bit but got very repetitive. The sex cards were not an issue to me, though I can see some people could be offended. You weren't forced into it at any point in the game though. The tempo fell apart and the game dragged after you got out of the city. I think overall it was slightly too long. A great effort from a small development company though.

[Onyx Jaguar]

<ninja combat comment strikes down my post as ineffective>

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 01 août 2010 - 09:54 .

[marko2te]

RageGT wrote...
I left this to the end because this is where things get my serious thoughts. While I fully agree with you about large gaming sites, specially GameSpot, there is a difference between what I pointed out and what you did.

I could care less about what score GameSpot gives to a game. But the Users' score are usually pretty meaningful. And more often than not, they show a quite different oppinion from the Site's oppinion. Also, critics' score is not the gaming site Score, but a whole bunch of gaming sites own score used in the calculation. Some of them are pretty independent from this mainstream "bribe-me-for-a-good-review" policy.

Check what GameSpot did to Risen. I'd say that the reviewer just sucked at the game because he kept dying to a Wild Boar at his amazing level 2 in Easy Difficulty. While they're not supposed to be fought at level 2, since there's no level scaling in Risen, a skilled player can still kill a Boar at level 2 in Hard Difficulty as long as he manages to avoid being hit at all. It is a one hit kill until a few higher levels and even then it's a stun lock attack if you get hit. I bet that if the guy had an easy time with the game AND The Piranhas had an EA behind them, his score would be a lot higher.

But what I wanted to say is a quote from Isabel Allende, who is in Brazil this week for a Literary Fest and has sold over 56 million units of her books. "I've won prizes in many countries, not because my book sold well but because of their quality. But to judge a successful best seller as a bad quality product is really to underestimate the readers' judgment."

Don't underestimate the gamers' judgment either.

I agree that rating any media is a matter of personal preference, to me personally the most important part of RPGs are things in which Oblivion fall flat, yet other find gameplay element that makes them spend 100+ hours in that game and I respect that. The things is, and I might be wrong, that there is a matter inexperince when we come to reviewing something. To some people Oblivion is a best game ever from simple reason because they havent played may other RPGs. Would they feel the same if they tried Gothic, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Arcanum, Fallout or Baldurs Gate before, maybe and maybe not.

[Nerevar-as]

slimgrin wrote...

This thread is not about Oblivion.

It often is a comparative of the different approaches to RPGs, more than TW & DA alone.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I agree that rating any media is a matter of personal preference, to me personally the most important part of RPGs are things in which Oblivion fall flat, yet other find gameplay element that makes them spend 100+ hours in that game and I respect that. The things is, and I might be wrong, that there is a matter inexperince when we come to reviewing something. To some people Oblivion is a best game ever from simple reason because they havent played may other RPGs. Would they feel the same if they tried Gothic, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Arcanum, Fallout or Baldurs Gate before, maybe and maybe not.

Reviewers at Gamespot/IGN/1UP who review games of this calibur are not noobs. And I for one have played both Fallouts before and Baldur's Gate before I ever played Morrowind and think it much better. Oblivion had what Morrowind got right, just in a crappy setting that was quite dull.

[AlanC9]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
And I for one have played both Fallouts before and Baldur's Gate before I ever played Morrowind and think it much better.

And I did the same and found MW worse than either. Though I'm not much of a Fallout fan either -- it's a game I admire but don't really like.

But how come we keep talking about Oblivion? Like it or hate it, its relevance to anything Bio does is pretty minimal. TW is different because it's trying to be the same kind of RPG that DA is.

[Tirigon]

RageGT wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

DotA is simply what a game would be if God had created the very best game.

Do you mean Warcraft III's DotA??? I hope so! =)))

Of course! If you play in Northrend, add me as friend, I´m Tirigon. (Same name as here^^)