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[Nerevar-as]

AlanC9 wrote...

You skipped dialogs on your first ME run? Or do you mean you finish it in 16 hours now.

Now. First run was 36 hours or so. I played so amny times that in the last ones I squip through many dialogues.

[Nerevar-as]

Kenrae wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

RageGT wrote...
But how could they both co-exist at the same space/time? (12 monkeys' army effect?)

This isn't a real issue. Even if someone hasn't been born yet, the atoms that will make him up in the future are still there in the past. So you're violating conservation of energy regardless, although I suppose you can get around that if whoever goes into the past disappears from the future for a duration equal to his time in the past.

I hate when people bring scientific explanations to a fantasy world:P.

BE AWARE THAT THIS IS A VERY BIG SPOILER!

They're the same person, or at least, that's my take on it. He travelled to the past when the elves and the order started fighting since he didn't have fully control of his powers, much of it is hinted before the event (for example, if you talk to the other kids in the village). And when you fight him at the end he says something like "you were the one to say that the powers we have should be used to protect people", or something like that, which is something you tell Alvin (if you choose to, there are different things you can say to him while being his "father").
Ultimately his powers drove him mad.

He throws back at you whenever you gave him advice. The extent of his powers is unclear, as he seems to be from a bloodline bred for it. Ciri from the books had prescience, magic, and some kind of dimension travel at least.

[Stalky24]

I dont think if its right to compare TW and DAO.



Storywise, TW was bound to existing character with rich background, story was more personal and smaller in scale, at the other hand DAO introduced our own hero in a great heroic and epic adventure to save Ferelden. Its same difference as is between Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.



About atmosphere, TW wins. Music, night/day, people are actually living in cities, during day they work, then go to bar then sleep etc. I loved how people were hiding before the rain. And when I was in swamps, I felt a little bit of fear and I was very very cautious in there. Thats something I love when happens. Dragon Age had its own story atmosphere, but locally, there was none.



And battle? Well, I loved TW battle system, as well as Batman Arkham Asylum battle system or Assasins Creed battle system. But its not for everyone, I admit, so its personal choice. DA:O system was different, deep tactical, and awesome in its own way.

[Kenrae]

FWIW, I love both games. Each one has its strong points.

[Pedrak]

Kenrae wrote...

FWIW, I love both games. Each one has its strong points.

So do I; I just don't think the DA franchise has anything to "learn" from the Witcher (which was a brilliant game in its own right), both in terms of maturity - true, TW had more explicit sexual content (although I don't recall any sex scene, just cards) and language, and was quite grim at times, but DAO had its fair share of darkness too - and especially of choice & consequence - I'll say again that the vast number of possible outcomes for the Warden and his companions in DAO overshadows anything TW does. IMHO of course.

Oh, and BTW am I the only one who found TW's combat easily broken and unbalanced? That pesky Igni sign was so ludicrously overpowered that I waltzed through the last chapters never dying and barely unsheathing my sword.

Modifié par Pedrak, 02 août 2010 - 04:39 .

[Yana Montana]

I'd say Witcher wins over DA2 for now. The only good thing I see in DA2 is that you can play as FemHawke.

[DragonRageGT]

Pedrak wrote...

So do I; I just don't think the DA franchise has anything to "learn" from the Witcher (which was a brilliant game in its own right), both in terms of maturity - true, TW had more explicit sexual content (although I don't recall any sex scene, just cards) and language, and was quite grim at times, but DAO had its fair share of darkness too - and especially of choice & consequence - I'll say again that the vast number of possible outcomes for the Warden and his companions in DAO overshadows anything TW does. IMHO of course.

Oh, and BTW am I the only one who found TW's combat easily broken and unbalanced? That pesky Igni sign was so ludicrously overpowered that I waltzed through the last chapters never dying and barely unsheating my sword.

Well, there were a few cinematics of Geralt with some important females like Shani or the Princess and while nudity were restricted to the cards, those lingerie were a lot hotter than DA's underwear! hehe

Broken and Unbalanced? Not in Hard mode at the very least. I don't think you could go anywhere in the last chapters just trying to incinerate stuff, specially those fire genies that, well, are immune to fire! And you'd be stunned a lot and quickly dispatched when facing a group of enemies if trying to cast spells as your main attack. Well, unless you had spent most of your talents into the signs so you could have immunity do physical dmg for a while plus a range of powerful spells but not only with Igni.

[Pedrak]

RageGT wrote...

Broken and Unbalanced? Not in Hard mode at the very least. I don't think you could go anywhere in the last chapters just trying to incinerate stuff, specially those fire genies that, well, are immune to fire! And you'd be stunned a lot and quickly dispatched when facing a group of enemies if trying to cast spells as your main attack. Well, unless you had spent most of your talents into the signs so you could have immunity do physical dmg for a while plus a range of powerful spells but not only with Igni.

Well, Rage, I admit I didn't play it on hard, but trust me when I say that on normal boosting the signs as much as you can, especially Igni, make the last chapters a stroll in the park - like, Awakening easy.

Modifié par Pedrak, 02 août 2010 - 04:48 .

[Nerevar-as]

Played in Hard and Igni and Aard and Group style made things way too easy in chapter 5 and on. There´s a rebalance (difficulty and skills, it even changes fully what one of the Signs does) mod you can get in the official page that fixes it, but I´m still in chapter 1 with it, so don´t know how good it is. Fighting the dogs without the sword oil was already harder though.

[fchopin]

I am happy we had TW and DAO the last few years as both games are very good, lets hope TW2 and DA2 are just as good in 2011.

[KingRanger]

winter troll wrote...

although dragon age is a decent game , for people who been playing rpgs since they were ten DAO is just another over hyped/marketed standard rpg that looks like another lame hollywood action fantasy without soul or substance. It doesn't deserve even to be mentioned next to witcher's name .

Its like disgaea series if you havent played many j-rpgs you love it , but if you have played more then three its just same old nonsense .

Now this is just complete bull****. I mean I am all for having your own opinion, but wow.... If you think DAO doesn't have Soul or Substance, then you don't know the meanings of either word. I love how you think you can speak for all gamers. Disgaea is loved by a lot of JRPG players, I hate it myself, and most play it for the SRPG side of it. You talk as though you THINK you have a clue about gamers, rpgs, and such, but you don't.

[Bryy_Miller]

KingRanger wrote...

winter troll wrote...

although dragon age is a decent game , for people who been playing rpgs since they were ten DAO is just another over hyped/marketed standard rpg that looks like another lame hollywood action fantasy without soul or substance. It doesn't deserve even to be mentioned next to witcher's name .

Its like disgaea series if you havent played many j-rpgs you love it , but if you have played more then three its just same old nonsense .

Now this is just complete bull****. I mean I am all for having your own opinion, but wow.... If you think DAO doesn't have Soul or Substance, then you don't know the meanings of either word. I love how you think you can speak for all gamers. Disgaea is loved by a lot of JRPG players, I hate it myself, and most play it for the SRPG side of it. You talk as though you THINK you have a clue about gamers, rpgs, and such, but you don't.

Yeah, what does "playing RPGs since you were ten" mean?

[_- Songlian -]

Stalky24 wrote...

I dont think if its right to compare TW and DAO.

This, in a sense. TW and DA are two different games and I wouldn't want any of them to borrow elements from the other. For example, people asking TW's mature themes to be incorporated into DA. I don't think DA is made for them. Some stuff that works for Sapkowski's world would not fit into (...) Gaider's world. DA simply isn't that dark of a game. 

I'm looking forward to both games at this point and I would appreciate it much more if they developed in completely different directions rather then heading towards common ground. 

And PS: Sex cards suck. That's why we'll see none of them in TW2, either. (Or so it was announced, I believe.)

[TheMadCat]

- Songlian - wrote...

Stalky24 wrote...

I dont think if its right to compare TW and DAO.

This, in a sense. TW and DA are two different games and I wouldn't want any of them to borrow elements from the other. For example, people asking TW's mature themes to be incorporated into DA. I don't think DA is made for them. Some stuff that works for Sapkowski's world would not fit into (...) Gaider's world. DA simply isn't that dark of a game. 

I'm looking forward to both games at this point and I would appreciate it much more if they developed in completely different directions rather then heading towards common ground.

Well obviously they're two different games, but style wise they both attempted to achieve the almost exactly the same thing so I don't see anything wrong with comparing the two. Let's not forget BioWare was the one hammering the notion that this was a "dark and mature" game, no reason we can't stack it up with another game that advertises the same label.

[Pedrak]

- Songlian - wrote...

And PS: Sex cards suck. That's why we'll see none of them in TW2, either. (Or so it was announced, I believe.)

Yeah, no sex cards in TW2. Apparently they'll focus on deeper romances and on some "cinematic scenes"...

[AlanC9]

Kenrae wrote...

I hate when people bring scientific explanations to a fantasy world:P.

Hey, if you know the rules of magic that apply I'll use them instead of science.

I concur that they're the same person. But so what if they are? Having the same person in two different places at the same time is no more impossible than time travel itself.

[DragonRageGT]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

KingRanger wrote...

winter troll wrote...

although dragon age is a decent game , for people who been playing rpgs since they were ten DAO is just another over hyped/marketed standard rpg that looks like another lame hollywood action fantasy without soul or substance. It doesn't deserve even to be mentioned next to witcher's name .

Its like disgaea series if you havent played many j-rpgs you love it , but if you have played more then three its just same old nonsense .

Now this is just complete bull****. I mean I am all for having your own opinion, but wow.... If you think DAO doesn't have Soul or Substance, then you don't know the meanings of either word. I love how you think you can speak for all gamers. Disgaea is loved by a lot of JRPG players, I hate it myself, and most play it for the SRPG side of it. You talk as though you THINK you have a clue about gamers, rpgs, and such, but you don't.

Yeah, what does "playing RPGs since you were ten" mean?

That he's started playing last year?
It has never been this cold in any Brazilian winter...brrrrr
And a winter Troll is still a... Troll...

AlanC9 wrote...
Hey, if you know the rules of magic that apply I'll use them instead of science.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

I concur that they're the same person. But so what if they are? Having the same person in two different places at the same time is no more impossible than time travel itself.

Nothing. It's just that while I did suspected it I also questioned myself if I wasn't being tricked by some of the story misleading traps, like that autopsy, or by some intricacies of a foreign language like English is to me. =)

Modifié par RageGT, 02 août 2010 - 07:55 .

[jpdipity]

I'd like to see DAO incorporate more grey choices where there is no explicitly right choice to be made.

I'd love to see busier, more active citizens as well, but would hate for DAO to adopt the same model as TW with clones running about everywhere. The clones are so bad that it really breaks the scenes for me.

I actually liked the cards, but hated that the scenes were blurred out. Why have all the nookie if you're not going to show it? Even Fable's fade-to-black with moaning worked better for me than the blurry mess behind the card. I wish that DAO would incoporate more one night stands. I love having the romances, but not all of my characters are looking to find a soulmate - some would like to just romp around with someone other than a hooker.

I liked TW, but thought the dialogue was just plain awful. I never felt a connection to TW, his/her cause, friends and/or choices. I love that there were real consequences in theory, but ultimately it didn't matter because I felt no connection to the character. My GW and his/her choices would have me nearly in tears at times. It mattered to me what happened to my GW and therefore every decision meant so much more.

Modifié par jpdipity, 02 août 2010 - 07:50 .

[Ulicus]

TheMadCat wrote...

Let's not forget BioWare was the one hammering the notion that this was a "dark and mature" game, no reason we can't stack it up with another game that advertises the same label.

Point. And, in that regard, I think The Witcher is by and far the more successful.

"Warden's Fall" did a brilliant job of making Thedas seem "grittier", though, even if it wasn't official.

[DragonRageGT]

jpdipity wrote...

I'd like to see DAO incorporate more grey choices where there is no explicitly right choice to be made.

I'd love to see busier, more active citizens as well, but would hate for DAO to adopt the same model as TW with clones running about everywhere. The clones are so bad that it really breaks the scenes for me.

I actually liked the cards, but hated that the scenes were blurred out. Why have all the nookie if you're not going to show it? Even Fable's fade-to-black with moaning worked better for me than the blurry mess behind the card. I wish that DAO would incoporate more one night stands. I love having the romances, but not all of my characters are looking to find a soulmate - some would like to just romp around with someone other than a hooker.

I liked TW, but thought the dialogue was just plain awful. I never felt a connection to TW, his/her cause, friends and/or choices. I love that there were real consequences in theory, but ultimately it didn't matter because I felt no connection to the character. My GW and his/her choices would have me nearly in tears at times. It mattered to me what happened to my GW and therefore every decision meant so much more.

Dragon Age has enough clone models all over Ferelden to bother anyone then. I could swear that Lloyd was everywhere across the land!

The cards are fun if you're over 40 and have your wife sneak peek'ing OTS! =)

And if you're an actor and is giving the role of Geralt to play, you might end up having lots of fun with it. I felt a stronger connection with him than with Shepard, perhaps because Geralt's lines are exactly what I chose them to be. Unlike Shepard's... unlike Hawke too maybe? And there is no fraking wheel in The Witcher!!!

[TMZuk]

Shiroukai wrote...

I'm pretty sure a lot of you RPG lovers have played The Witcher as well, and found its likes and dislikes about it.
What I would like to know of you guys though, is which elements of The Witcher you would like to see in Dragon Age 2.

As for me, I really liked the realistic mature aspect of the game. When people badmouthed someone, it was really badmouthing and not just some child friendly calling someone a cheese head. Dirty allys had not only thugs, but prostitutes as well. And some people didn't mind showing some skin here and there.

Other then that I really liked the choice and consequence that happened between chapters (heard it will be implemented in DA II as well, but I would still like to point that one out).

Sometimes choosing lesser evil because there were no good.

Night/Day rotation, with their added effects.

Likes:

All the above.

Realistic looking weapons.

Drugs and drug-effects.

The dark gloomy atmosphere.

More roleplay, and less combat than in DA:O and especially DA:A.

These things I'd like to see in DA2

Dislikes:

The silly "tradecards"

Fixed protagonist.

The overly casual approach to sex. I don't mind mature stuff, but in the Witcher it was overdone to a degree where it became childish rather than mature.

This is stuff I'd really dislike in DA2. The fixed protagonist is already a serious pointer downwards in my book.

Modifié par TMZuk, 02 août 2010 - 08:30 .

[Nerevar-as]

It really doesn´t make much sense without Geralt. It is a sequel to the bokks after all.

Why do so many people have trouble with fixed main characters?

[Pedrak]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Why do so many people have trouble with fixed main characters?

It limits the roleplay - or, better, it forces me to roleplay someone I might not find interesting/likeable/compatible with my personality, or with the personality I want to express in a certain playthrough.

There are great RPGs with a fixed main character. However, creating my own character allows a deeper, more personal experience.

[Tirigon]

RageGT wrote...

Now, can someone clarify one thing that I was never really sure about TW? Is the kid Alvin the Grand Master of the Order? How come the GM has the same amulet Triss gave the kid, at the end? But how could they both co-exist at the same space/time? (12 monkeys' army effect?)

I think everything points towards the GM being Alvin, but I really have no idea how. I suspecrt, though, we might get an answer in TW2. This time-travel thing practically cries for a sequel.

[Tirigon]

Pedrak wrote...

- Songlian - wrote...

And PS: Sex cards suck. That's why we'll see none of them in TW2, either. (Or so it was announced, I believe.)

Yeah, no sex cards in TW2. Apparently they'll focus on deeper romances and on some "cinematic scenes"...

Really? OMG NOES! Is there no way we can still change their minds? I want my Geralt to relax from monster-slaying by f*cking everything with breasts, and I want to get a nice card for it, ffs....:crying: