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[Abriael_CG]

slimgrin wrote...

Too much more Bioware bashing and this thread won't last another day. In the meantime, another idea for DA2: red headed Hookers. There were enough of them for 3 games in The Witcher.

If only the "bashing" would actually allow them to understand that lately they've been betraying a big part of their most loyal fanbase... Unfortunately all that I read and saw so far about Dragon Age 2 makes me think that they're completely deaf to criticism.
Dragon Age: Origins, with all it's flaws, has been the swan song of the classic, beloved Bioware rpg. Looks very likely for those needs we'll have to look elsewhere.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 04 août 2010 - 04:56 .

[Bryy_Miller]

winter troll wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's try and link this discussion back to DA2 somehow. Thank you.

i hear a pang of jellousy from bioware . 

No... really. This is the BioWare forum.

Abriael_CG wrote...

The witcher demonstrated that Bioware isn't the king of RPGs anymore. As much as I love DAO, it really can't compare on many levels.  

Subjective post is subjective.

[Stoomkal]

The Witcher?



Try "Demon's Souls" if you are looking for a gothic fantasy version of a twitch game.



They managed to do one of the best fantasy-scapes I have ever seen, without sounding like a bunch of fat isolated computer nerds who haven't interacted with women in years...



If I hate the politics of a game, then I cannot really enjoy it. I have to not be offended. The Witcher is not "irreverant" about sexuality. It is simply immature. It is kinda easy to see which is which...



But for anyone looking for a twitch action game that is full of gothic imagery, try "Demon's Souls"...



Also, there is a big difference between "Dark Fantasy" and "I dress like an Emo and get my interior decoration done by goths"... one is a genre, one is a cliche.

[Morroian]

Abriael_CG wrote...

If only the "bashing" would actually allow them to understand that lately they've been betraying a big part of their most loyal fanbase... Unfortunately all that I read and saw so far about Dragon Age 2 makes me think that they're completely deaf to criticism.

Maybe because a lot of the criticism amounts to nerd rage based on scant information, assumptions made on the basis of that scant information and subjective preferences not being met.

Abriael_CG wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins, with all it's flaws, has been the swan song of the classic, beloved Bioware rpg. Looks very likely for those needs we'll have to look elsewhere.

If your preference is for that type of rpg then yes its likely that you will have to. Bioware isn't a small indie developer, if they kept it with an outdated interface its likely that sales of the franchise would dwindle, especially taking into account console sales.

[Bryy_Miller]

Morroian wrote...

If your preference is for that type of rpg then yes its likely that you will have to. Bioware isn't a small indie developer, if they kept it with an outdated interface its likely that sales of the franchise would dwindle, especially taking into account console sales.

Yeah, seriously. My friends run (or ran) a film company out of their garage. Then they got big and started mking commercials, and then they rented an office. They made the mistake of hiring one of their fans, who then wrote and published a completely inane letter telling them that they should go back to being nobodies.

[Xette]

No. I would rather they avoided taking anything from the Witcher >:

Especially how everyone wants to sleep with you. AND YOU CAN'T SAY NO D:

[Mornmagor]

On a side note,am i the only one that noticed that at least FINALLY,the armors look detailed?Look at the plates even covering the shoe.On DA:O the equipment looked worse by far.



DA2 will most likely have a good enjoyable story,like Bioware has us used to.They usually fail visually,especially in armors,and i am quite glad to see that changing in DA2.

[DragonRageGT]

RageGT wrote...

jpdipity wrote...

It wasn't so much the acting involved for Geralt - it was the script that bothered me.  It just seemed so corny and "B" movie written.  Shepard didn't bother me much other than him/her being a bit too rigid, but that's what I'd expect from a soldier anyway.  I don't mind a voiced actor, but poorly written dialogue just really makes it hard for me to care about a character.

There are some philosophical discussion in The Witcher that are simply brilliant. Geralt with Yavinn, with Moreen (worthy a card too!) but specially with Zoltar and with Zoltar/Dandelion in a tavern getting drunk... And there are also some very well written lines, although I agree that some others  are corny and "B" movie.

And this is one good example of one deep conversation. Specially by the Dwarf. Funny how dwarves always get it right!

The Witcher - The Pig Herd

And can someone tell me if this is a bad voice acting? I mean, for a portuguese speaker, it sounds very good English acting and all. I've seen some poor stuff with wrong entonation in some other games but not really in The Witcher. EE of course.

Funny how good games always have good dwarves!

[Nerevar-as]

Stoomkal wrote...

Also, there is a big difference between "Dark Fantasy" and "I dress like an Emo and get my interior decoration done by goths"... one is a genre, one is a cliche.

What do you mean by that? Neither DA nor Witcher fit the second definition.
The Witcher is actual Dark Fantasy, but DA is only in setting, though my choices gave a rather bittersweet ending. Visuals alone are nothing if the events are not.

[Tirigon]

slimgrin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

He doesn't have to be a womanizer in the game either. It's the player who does that.

Lol! Good point. The opportunities for casual sex are only presented for the player. I'm pretty sure Geralt can stay chaste as choir boy the whole game, if you wish.

Indeed. The only "mandatory" sex is with either Triss or Shani because the romance is part of the story (and even there you can refuse at least one of the sex scenes, maybe even all).

[Tirigon]

Stoomkal wrote...

The Witcher?

Try "Demon's Souls" if you are looking for a gothic fantasy version of a twitch game.

They managed to do one of the best fantasy-scapes I have ever seen, without sounding like a bunch of fat isolated computer nerds who haven't interacted with women in years...

If I hate the politics of a game, then I cannot really enjoy it. I have to not be offended. The Witcher is not "irreverant" about sexuality. It is simply immature. It is kinda easy to see which is which...

I smell a conservative christian here...
I don´t see anything "irrelevant" about sex in the Witcher.
In fact, many of my RL friends are a LOT more casual about sex than Geralt....

But for anyone looking for a twitch action game that is full of gothic imagery, try "Demon's Souls"...

I´d like to, but it´s unavailable in Germany. Well, critics say it sucks, so probably not THAT much of a loss.

Also, there is a big difference between "Dark Fantasy" and "I dress like an Emo and get my interior decoration done by goths"... one is a genre, one is a cliche.

True, but as neither DA not Witcher look like emo or goth, I don´t see the rlevance to the topic at hand.

[Suron]

SDNcN wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Heh... Does the U.S. got them uncensored? They might not know why you felt ashamed.

And Witchers are like that Michel archangel that Travolta played a while ago. Women can't resist them plus they are sterile, making the whole funk-for-fun a lot more appealing. Unlike with Dandelion whom they all expect to marry with!

I'm guessing I'm the only one who found it disturbing that women can't say no to sex with Geralt and are essentially reduced to trophies in a collectable card game. The Witcher is increadibly mature.

plenty of women DO say no to him though.  And as said, Witchers by default are the perfect choice for casual sex.  The mutagens they take make them immune to most if not all diseases...so no STD there...and they're steril (sp?)...so no babies either.

[jpdipity]

RageGT wrote...

RageGT wrote...

jpdipity wrote...

It wasn't so much the acting involved for Geralt - it was the script that bothered me.  It just seemed so corny and "B" movie written.  Shepard didn't bother me much other than him/her being a bit too rigid, but that's what I'd expect from a soldier anyway.  I don't mind a voiced actor, but poorly written dialogue just really makes it hard for me to care about a character.

There are some philosophical discussion in The Witcher that are simply brilliant. Geralt with Yavinn, with Moreen (worthy a card too!) but specially with Zoltar and with Zoltar/Dandelion in a tavern getting drunk... And there are also some very well written lines, although I agree that some others  are corny and "B" movie.

And this is one good example of one deep conversation. Specially by the Dwarf. Funny how dwarves always get it right!

The Witcher - The Pig Herd

And can someone tell me if this is a bad voice acting? I mean, for a portuguese speaker, it sounds very good English acting and all. I've seen some poor stuff with wrong entonation in some other games but not really in The Witcher. EE of course.

Funny how good games always have good dwarves!

There were some deep conversations, but the vast majority of the dialogue was so corny that I found myself laughing out loud about it.  After that, I couldn't take anything in the game seriously - deep conversations became out-of-character to me.  There were times where I had to stop playing and then return to the game a few days later because it was so laughable.  So, it did not seem like a "dark fantasy" at all to me - it was for a more mature audience, but "dark" it was not.  That being said, DAO wasn't dark either, but I was never pointing and laughing at the dialogue.

The VO didn't bother me much - it was less irritiating than Isolde that's for sure.

I'm all for DAO adopting more mature (or what some would consider immature) material from TW or the Fable series.  More casual sex, drunkeness, bar fighting, ability to attack innocents & time including day/night sequencing.  Pretty much everything else I'd prefer they leave in TW.

[Stoomkal]

Tirigon wrote...

Stoomkal wrote...

The Witcher?

Try "Demon's Souls" if you are looking for a gothic fantasy version of a twitch game.

They managed to do one of the best fantasy-scapes I have ever seen, without sounding like a bunch of fat isolated computer nerds who haven't interacted with women in years...

If I hate the politics of a game, then I cannot really enjoy it. I have to not be offended. The Witcher is not "irreverant" about sexuality. It is simply immature. It is kinda easy to see which is which...

I smell a conservative christian here...
I don´t see anything "irrelevant" about sex in the Witcher.
In fact, many of my RL friends are a LOT more casual about sex than Geralt....

But for anyone looking for a twitch action game that is full of gothic imagery, try "Demon's Souls"...

I´d like to, but it´s unavailable in Germany. Well, critics say it sucks, so probably not THAT much of a loss.

Also, there is a big difference between "Dark Fantasy" and "I dress like an Emo and get my interior decoration done by goths"... one is a genre, one is a cliche.

True, but as neither DA not Witcher look like emo or goth, I don´t see the rlevance to the topic at hand.

...

Okay... I have no idea why you would attack me, but I will try to respond with grace.

Firstly, I have no religion, and it is offensive to label me as a "conservative christian".

Also, the word I used was "Irreverent" and not "Irrelevant". If you want to try and sound clever, perhaps learn to read first.

The game I suggested, Demon's Souls, is quite highly rated, across the board, so I am not sure what you are talking about.

Lastly, I made a point about gothic styling. This is an *actual* style of art and architecture. Simply saying "dark fantasy" means nothing, and misusing terms like "dark fantasy" and "gothic" does not really make a game such... you need more than haircuts and shadows in order to employ that term.

So, in summary, I would prefer it if you did not randomly accuse me of things.

If you do, though... try not to sound stupid, and read carefully.

[Anarya]

RageGT wrote...

RageGT wrote...

jpdipity wrote...

It wasn't so much the acting involved for Geralt - it was the script that bothered me.  It just seemed so corny and "B" movie written.  Shepard didn't bother me much other than him/her being a bit too rigid, but that's what I'd expect from a soldier anyway.  I don't mind a voiced actor, but poorly written dialogue just really makes it hard for me to care about a character.

There are some philosophical discussion in The Witcher that are simply brilliant. Geralt with Yavinn, with Moreen (worthy a card too!) but specially with Zoltar and with Zoltar/Dandelion in a tavern getting drunk... And there are also some very well written lines, although I agree that some others  are corny and "B" movie.

And this is one good example of one deep conversation. Specially by the Dwarf. Funny how dwarves always get it right!

The Witcher - The Pig Herd

And can someone tell me if this is a bad voice acting? I mean, for a portuguese speaker, it sounds very good English acting and all. I've seen some poor stuff with wrong entonation in some other games but not really in The Witcher. EE of course.

Funny how good games always have good dwarves!

I never played the Witcher but the acting here seems fine. It's the clunky writing that's the problem. Seriously that's some unnatural-sounding dialog right there. The dwarf's isn't as bad.

[DragonRageGT]

Anarya wrote...

I never played the Witcher but the acting here seems fine. It's the clunky writing that's the problem. Seriously that's some unnatural-sounding dialog right there. The dwarf's isn't as bad.

Hey, the guy is a freaking mutant. I'd say that a very natural-sounding dialog for someone high on mutagens! heh

[DragonRageGT]

Stoomkal wrote...

Okay... I have no idea why you would attack me, but I will try to respond with grace.

Firstly, I have no religion, and it is offensive to label me as a "conservative christian".

Also, the word I used was "Irreverent" and not "Irrelevant". If you want to try and sound clever, perhaps learn to read first.

The game I suggested, Demon's Souls, is quite highly rated, across the board, so I am not sure what you are talking about.

Lastly, I made a point about gothic styling. This is an *actual* style of art and architecture. Simply saying "dark fantasy" means nothing, and misusing terms like "dark fantasy" and "gothic" does not really make a game such... you need more than haircuts and shadows in order to employ that term.

So, in summary, I would prefer it if you did not randomly accuse me of things.

If you do, though... try not to sound stupid, and read carefully.

Huh... why is it offensive to be called a "conservative Christian"? That's not the same as a religious fanatic, I guess. Even if I'm not one myself, I fail to see it as an offense.

And you used IrreverAnt, Mix of Irreverent with Irrelevant? lol But yes, Geralt is pretty irreverent when it comes to seducing some of the townsfolk. Like when he reply to the "special touch" one of them mention. "It tingles... want to see for yourself?".. heh I'd say it's pretty much par with the "What about your fruit? Is it forbiden too?" which a insinuative dwarf launched over Leliana!

Dragon Age - Leliana's Forbidden Fruit!

Demon's Soul is indeed high rated but since it's not available for the PC, it sucks real bad! =P

And there is nothing "gothic" about The Witcher or Dragon Age. Neither the buildings nor the clothing, hair, nothing. (although I love how hairs in The Witcher have movement and how Geralt reminds me of Prince Arthas of War3!) - If you want to see some "gothic" - which is actually another dark and gritty game, try the Gothic series, particularly Gothic 2. Awesome game too!

[DragonRageGT]

Stupid lagged site! Double post! heh

Modifié par RageGT, 04 août 2010 - 04:01 .

[AlanC9]

RageGT wrote...

Huh... why is it offensive to be called a "conservative Christian"? That's not the same as a religious fanatic, I guess. Even if I'm not one myself, I fail to see it as an offense.

Well, the way Tirigon said CC did make it sound like an insult.

[WilliamShatner]

Morroian wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

If only the "bashing" would actually allow them to understand that lately they've been betraying a big part of their most loyal fanbase... Unfortunately all that I read and saw so far about Dragon Age 2 makes me think that they're completely deaf to criticism.

Maybe because a lot of the criticism amounts to nerd rage based on scant information, assumptions made on the basis of that scant information and subjective preferences not being met.

Abriael_CG wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins, with all it's flaws, has been the swan song of the classic, beloved Bioware rpg. Looks very likely for those needs we'll have to look elsewhere.

If your preference is for that type of rpg then yes its likely that you will have to. Bioware isn't a small indie developer, if they kept it with an outdated interface its likely that sales of the franchise would dwindle, especially taking into account console sales.

No evidence of this whatsoever.  DA:O hammered ME2 in sales despite "outdated presentation".

Modifié par WilliamShatner, 04 août 2010 - 04:58 .

[In Exile]

WilliamShatner wrote...

No evidence of this whatsoever.  DA:O hammered ME2 in sales despite "outdated presentation".

People keep saying this, but I can't find any evidence of this. vgchartz has ME2 outselling DA by 200,000 units over the first 20 weeks of release on the 360, there are no PC figures for either, and PS3 sales aren't relevant to the comparison.

[Tirigon]

Stoomkal wrote...


Lastly, I made a point about gothic styling. This is an *actual* style of art and architecture. Simply saying "dark fantasy" means nothing, and misusing terms like "dark fantasy" and "gothic" does not really make a game such... you need more than haircuts and shadows in order to employ that term.

I know about gothic and the style. I should, considering that Gothic is one of my favourite music styles and I love Gothic Novels....

However, it is not required for something to be dark fantasy.


I agree, however, that a little Gothic would improve a game.

[Tirigon]

RageGT wrote...

And you used IrreverAnt, Mix of Irreverent with Irrelevant? lol But yes, Geralt is pretty irreverent when it comes to seducing some of the townsfolk. Like when he reply to the "special touch" one of them mention. "It tingles... want to see for yourself?".. heh I'd say it's pretty much par with the "What about your fruit? Is it forbiden too?" which a insinuative dwarf launched over Leliana!

What is so bad about that? It´s actually quite what I would say in such a situation in Real Life. And sometimes DID:devil:

Geralt reminds me of Prince Arthas of War3!

Well, I don´t see the similarity.  After all, Geralt doesn´t turn into a Death Knight and conquer the land (sadly....).

[DragonRageGT]

Tirigon wrote...

RageGT wrote...

And you used IrreverAnt, Mix of Irreverent with Irrelevant? lol But yes, Geralt is pretty irreverent when it comes to seducing some of the townsfolk. Like when he reply to the "special touch" one of them mention. "It tingles... want to see for yourself?".. heh I'd say it's pretty much par with the "What about your fruit? Is it forbiden too?" which a insinuative dwarf launched over Leliana!

What is so bad about that? It´s actually quite what I would say in such a situation in Real Life. And sometimes DID:devil:

Geralt reminds me of Prince Arthas of War3!

Well, I don´t see the similarity.  After all, Geralt doesn´t turn into a Death Knight and conquer the land (sadly....).

I didn't say it was bad at all. On the contraire!

And Geralt reminds me of the cinematics of the human campaing... "What are you doing, my son?" ... "Succeeding you, father!" ... The hair, the sword... whenever I play Undead in WC3 or Geralt in TW.. they remind me of each other and I tthink that's cool!