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#26
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Spear-Thrower wrote...

The sex cards are harmless. If they ever do a female witcher, male 'trophies' would even out the perceived sexism. Make it a witcher thing - they're horny as hell.

I was more surprised with the Princess saying the dreaded 'C word'. She sounded good, btw.


Haha, I was quite surprised with some of the lines as well.
I actually had to laugh and gave CDPROJEKT a big thumb at the point with the dungeon guard in chapter 2.

Modifié par Shiroukai, 30 juillet 2010 - 05:31 .


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After the first Assassins creed, I didn't need Assassins creed 2

one hour was enough for me,complete waste of money

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Am I the only one who enjoyed a lot the combat system in The Witcher?



Specially in hard difficulty where alchemy is a must, enhancing weapons too, according to the enemy type (which only them made me really get into reading the Bestiary with a lot more attention to learn enemies weaknesses) and there is no cursor tip to advise the right timing.



It's all about the feeling of the timing with a small tip from the weapon trail that is hardly noticed once you get pretty good at it, has trained decently and have amazing combo control. Or you can train in magic mostly but since I never play mages, I can't say if they're as powerful as in most other games.

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RageGT wrote...
Am I the only one who enjoyed a lot the combat system in The Witcher?

Probably. The Witcher was a poor cross between Action combat and RPG combat. All that crossing resulted in was frustration. I was able to get the hang of it, but I never really enjoyed it.

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Why not just make a wish list thread? These games feed off each other.



BUT...



The greater promiscuity in the Witcher did create a more err... interesting environment. DAO is a liberal boyscout game in comparison. :P



Day and night cycles with creatures more or less powerful accordingly would be nice. Though that would only be effective with more open-ended areas. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a graphic-draining implementation.

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I did not see the great moral choices that others talk because most seemed straight forward good or bad and the templers were basically **** warriors as the end game showed.I see no shades of grey in the Witcher when I played it.

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mopotter wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I wish I could have given the Witcher the chance that it deserves but the combat mechanics were so totally horrendous for me I just have never gotten far after about 3 do over attempts.


I had this problem in assassins creed 2.  Couldn't get past the timed running after the brother.  A guy my husband works with had the same problem.  Sounds like I won't bother with the witcher.  I'll stick with games I don't want to throw across the room.


I'm not good at combat, found the easy setting on The Witcher to be very simple - it's not hard, but it is the only boring part of an otherwise interesting game. That is, if you can get over what some perceive as the crassness of a collectible sex card game (largely optional). Worth a play. :)

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the_one_54321 wrote...

RageGT wrote...
Am I the only one who enjoyed a lot the combat system in The Witcher?

Probably. The Witcher was a poor cross between Action combat and RPG combat. All that crossing resulted in was frustration. I was able to get the hang of it, but I never really enjoyed it.


I liked it fine, but then again I play action games from time to time too. It'd be interesting to see if people's attitudes towards TW combat and ME2 combat match.

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Lets start with the atmosphere which was superb in TW1, if bioware can come create something similar it would be great. Just walking in the marshes in TW was an experience by itself. Day, night, what a difference.

Gelalt is probably one of the best characters ever created in a game for me so if Hawke can be as charismatic in DA2 the game will sell like a hot potato.



Some of the side missions in TW were very good so i hope DA2 has similar side missions and even better. They have to be better than DAO for a start as some of them were very bad.



More important decisions like burn the witch or save the witch, no more irrelevant decisions like saving Connors, which ever decision you pick makes no difference.

Decisions have to have a different outcome or they are a waist of time.



Lots more but maybe for another time.

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AlanC9 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

RageGT wrote...
Am I the only one who enjoyed a lot the combat system in The Witcher?

Probably. The Witcher was a poor cross between Action combat and RPG combat. All that crossing resulted in was frustration. I was able to get the hang of it, but I never really enjoyed it.


I liked it fine, but then again I play action games from time to time too. It'd be interesting to see if people's attitudes towards TW combat and ME2 combat match.


The combat system was refreshing. A bit boring after a while, being nothing more than syncronized clicking with the mouse (instead of syncronized clicking from a combo skill set), but it still broke the mold a little.

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Beerfish wrote...

I wish I could have given the Witcher the chance that it deserves but the combat mechanics were so totally horrendous for me I just have never gotten far after about 3 do over attempts.


I have to agree with you. I'm still trying to force myself to play it, but that timed mechanic and the camera control is awful. However, I read that Witcher 2 fixes all that.

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I finally finished The Witcher yesterday. A truly unique game. I like it better than DA:O, but this is mainly due to my personal preference. I think both are quality RPG's.

I like that TW was a hybrid of open-world and story-driven gameplay. I preferred the combat, but mainly because it was twitch-based. I can understand RPG purists preferring DA's combat which is highly tactical.

I absolutely love how TW does alchemy, there is a coherence to everything. I also preferred the dialog in TW, perhaps more than any other game I have played. Thats saying a lot considering that before I played TW, I thought Bioware games had the best writing hands down.

The journal in TW has relevance, too. Its not just extra-curricular reading. I found this out the hard way.

There are a number of complaints, however: downright crappy camera control, poor character design, some technical issues, and the ending...I'm still not sure that I like the ending.

If there is anything from TW I'd like to see in DA it would be: a day night cycle, choice and consequence (which I thought TW did better) and expanded level design.

Modifié par slimgrin, 30 juillet 2010 - 06:04 .


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I just can't pick up the Witcher. The pre set character just really annoys me.



It's not the fact that he's pre set. It's just the fact that he's pre set in a way I dislike. The douchebaggy, Sephiroth-esque silver hair really annoyed me.

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AlanC9 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

RageGT wrote...
Am I the only one who enjoyed a lot the combat system in The Witcher?

Probably. The Witcher was a poor cross between Action combat and RPG combat. All that crossing resulted in was frustration. I was able to get the hang of it, but I never really enjoyed it.

I liked it fine, but then again I play action games from time to time too. It'd be interesting to see if people's attitudes towards TW combat and ME2 combat match.

I love action games too. The Lengend of Zelda is on of my most favorite series for instance. But I like for the different games to keep their different mechanics. Mixing them does not work.

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Feck this Witcher never came out on PS3, hate to play games on my laptop

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Shiroukai wrote...
Night/Day rotation, with their added effects.


Yes, those effects and the overall atmosphere of the game, the people actually walking around places, the music that isn't boring and overly "heroic", realistic armor and weapons, that's all I would want them to take from TW that I felt was sorely lacking in DA:O.

Also I would like them to just accept the fact that TW is what a "dark fantasy" RPG should be, admit that DA is just plain old fantasy and run with it for DA2 instead of trying to compete with that.

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Witcher is truly a dark fantasy RPG.

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Merkar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

RageGT wrote...
Am I the only one who enjoyed a lot the combat system in The Witcher?

Probably. The Witcher was a poor cross between Action combat and RPG combat. All that crossing resulted in was frustration. I was able to get the hang of it, but I never really enjoyed it.


I liked it fine, but then again I play action games from time to time too. It'd be interesting to see if people's attitudes towards TW combat and ME2 combat match.


The combat system was refreshing. A bit boring after a while, being nothing more than syncronized clicking with the mouse (instead of syncronized clicking from a combo skill set), but it still broke the mold a little.


Combat wasn't the best in TW, I'll admit. It get's repetitive. This looks to be vastly improved in TW2, thankfully.

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Im loving The Witcher because its a true Action RPG, ublike ME2.
Combat builds up the STORY in the Witcher.
Styory builds up the Combat in ME2.

Thats the huge difference between the two.
At the end of the day, after playing tha Witcher, you know that story comes first and formost. At end of day with ME2, you know the story only there to give combat some meaning.
VASTLY different approachs to gameing.

As I said, im playing The Witcher for the first time and its already tied with DA:O for 2nd best game Ive ever played.
But one of my major complaints with the Witcher is the voice preset on Geralt. In chapters 1 and 2 it was totally immersion breaking for me. In chapter 3 ive grown to accept it, not like it, but accept it!

You cant really compare DA:O and TW combat as one is squad based and other is single player based. Developers have to approach combat in vastly different mindsets for these types of combat! I think both games did exceptionally well in this regard.

As for TW2, my spring of 2011 games buy stands as:
Deus Ex3
The Witcher 2
The Old Republic

Dragon Age 2 (whats been reported) doesnt hold a candle to what beed reported for Deus Ex3 or The witcher 2. Its not even close at this point in time!

But mostly (for me) it comes down to who I beleive now. I just have no faith in this new Bioware. I dont trust them, I dont like how they acting on boards and in interveiws, I (like many many others)dont like direction of DA2, and After ME2, there simply is no good will left over for them to play on.

Some folks might buy anything that has Biowares name with out question or thought, im far more thinking and picky then that! Game companies EARN (and lose) my respect by their actions and how good to their words they are. Right now, Bioware is as close to rock bottom as you can get for me (game wise).

Ill still check in, in hopes Bioware putting out a real RPG product but so far DA2 sounds like the Mass Effect approach where the stories only there to prop up the action.

For me, STORY, IMMERSION, INTERACTION of characters, and CHARACTER DETAIL, these things all come BEFORE combat in level of importance for real RPGs and CD Projekt seems to understand that in their designing of ROLE PLAYING GAMES ( RPGs)!! Doesnt mean you have to have bad combat, Mass Effect 2 could of had same combat system and still been a RPG if they only cared half as much about story and immersion and character detail as they did about combat in the game. But they didnt.

PS: I strongly suggest anyone that hasnt played The Witcher to try it! I got it for $20.00 off Steam and I would have gladly payed full price for this game, even now. Well worth the money.

CD Projekt being a independant developer doesnt get the attention it should (like Bioware and Blizzard gets) but their first game is as good as anything Bioware put out and better then anything Blizzard put out IMO.

Modifié par Kalfear, 30 juillet 2010 - 06:15 .


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I've tried to play TW, twice, but stopped both times after a few hours. It's not only that I didn't like Geralt and his looks (and I'm stuck playing this abomination...) - and a fine example how a pre set and predefined character can ruin a whole game for one, the whole combat system was annoying. As strange as it sounds, I wanted to like The Witcher, but it's not my game, not my hero, not my setting.

If anything, I appreciate it for it's unique and mature take at a fantasy RPG, but I'd rather wish DA2 will stay clear of most TW influences.

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The hopeless, gloomy atmosphere.

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that's why I don't buy bioware excuses for lack of classes, armors, weapons and overall visual quality. The witcher is made by less experienced people, smaller team and less money yet they kick DAO & DA2' butts regarding visual candy

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RageGT wrote...

Heh... Does the U.S. got them uncensored? They might not know why you felt ashamed.:P

And Witchers are like that Michel archangel that Travolta played a while ago. Women can't resist them plus they are sterile, making the whole funk-for-fun a lot more appealing. Unlike with Dandelion whom they all expect to marry with!



I'm guessing I'm the only one who found it disturbing that women can't say no to sex with Geralt and are essentially reduced to trophies in a collectable card game. The Witcher is increadibly mature.

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Kalfear wrote...

As for TW2, my spring of 2011 games buy stands as:
Deus Ex3
The Witcher 2
The Old Republic




My list of games are similar.
 
Deus Ex3
The Witcher 2
Fallout, Vegas
Maybe, The Old Republic
Maybe, DA2
Maybe, Fable III
 
The maybe's will depend on info that develops for the games.

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SDNcN wrote...
I'm guessing I'm the only one who found it disturbing that women can't say no to sex with Geralt and are essentially reduced to trophies in a collectable card game. The Witcher is increadibly mature.


Hey, if you're looking for casual sex. Geralt's the man for it. He's not going to stick around, he's infertile, and he's essentially immune to disease.