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[winter troll]

That you think Fable will be any kind of good game is just laughable. Now I can see why you think they way you do.

dunno i played fable after i played DA and loved it lot more then DA . Being old as it is , it still looked as good as DA and included same level brutality . So i suggest big cup of STFU noob.

[d3c0yBoY]

winter troll wrote...

That you think Fable will be any kind of good game is just laughable. Now I can see why you think they way you do.

dunno i played fable after i played DA and loved it lot more then DA . Being old as it is , it still looked as good as DA and included same level brutality . So i suggest big cup of STFU noob.

Oh, I get it now. You're trying to be cute. GG <_<

[KingRanger]

winter troll wrote...

That you think Fable will be any kind of good game is just laughable. Now I can see why you think they way you do.

dunno i played fable after i played DA and loved it lot more then DA . Being old as it is , it still looked as good as DA and included same level brutality . So i suggest big cup of STFU noob.

Oh I see. You are clueless when it comes to games. Sorry about that my mistake.

[DragonRageGT]

You guys bad mouthing Fable... have you ever played the game? It is an awesome game with many cool features that were "respectfully" copied by other games afterwards. I really don't know who is clueless when it comes to games.

Let's see, I'm 46 and have played most games that came out since Diablo 1 which was the milestone in cRPG. A good game is nothing other than a game which satisfies the customer. A bad game usually has lousy controls, cameras, gameplay, story, acting, graphics and stability. Tell me which of these applies to Fable.

Modifié par RageGT, 05 août 2010 - 03:06 .

[Morroian]

WilliamShatner wrote...

No evidence of this whatsoever.  DA:O hammered ME2 in sales despite "outdated presentation".

Isn't that just on the PC? And the feedback I saw from console users here and on other forums wasn't great because the PC based interface simply didn't transfer well therefore I would anticipate sales would fall without changes.

[AlanC9]

RageGT wrote...

You guys bad mouthing Fable... have you ever played the game? It is an awesome game with many cool features that were "respectfully" copied by other games afterwards. I really don't know who is clueless when it comes to games.

Let's see, I'm 46 and have played most games that came out since Diablo 1 which was the milestone in cRPG. A good game is nothing other than a game which satisfies the customer. A bad game usually has lousy controls, cameras, gameplay, story, acting, graphics and stability. Tell me which of these applies to Fable.

I found Diablo so boring I didn't get past the demo, actually. So I guess Fable was better than that.

[wyvernix]

Ah yes, The Witcher. Truly a great piece of dark fantasy. Although I have never read the books(I'll get around to it one of these days), the game itself encompassed not only dark, slummish, and downtrodden enviroments, but the quests were very dark as well. I scarcely remember one quest which involved a man claiming a witch killed his wife, but further investigation showed that the man was responsible for raping her then leaving her for dead. All these elements truly gave the feel of a hopeless world. Dragon Age: Origins was advertised as dark fantasy, but I didn't quite grasp the "darkness" part of the fantasy. There were a few dark encounters, such as the City elf origin, Broodmother, etc. But all in all? DA:O felt like a typical high fantasy with too many shades of gray. I did enjoy Origins alot, and I understand I'm comparing two different games here, but it's food for through, I guess. Here's hoping that DA2 brushes up on the more "darker" elements it's predecessor claimed to have.

[DragonRageGT]

AlanC9 wrote...

I found Diablo so boring I didn't get past the demo, actually. So I guess Fable was better than that.

Well, the really great thing of Diablo was that it gave us Battle.net and D1 mplayer was a hell of a fun. Specially within a Legit/Purists guild since out of it there were too much dupe, cheat, hack and disnohest PvP. Not duels, just hacked chars killing everybody else.. lol. I liked Legit duels better but the Co-op after legit items were awesome. Nothing will ever match what I felt when I found a legit Obsidian Ring of the Zodiac +18all +36% res ... not those +20/+40% dupped!

And battle.net gave us Starcraft, Diablo2, Warcraft 2 and 3 and.. argh... WoW... I don't play mmo's so...

And, IIRC, Baldur's Gate thanked Blizzard in the credits or somewhere because Diablo inspired BG and it's story. Baal spawn was directly related to Diablo and its brothers' story.

Now, even for Neverwinter Nights, the best side was the multiplayer capability and not the OC, IMHO. I played it online for some 5 years and I'd still be playing it if the server hadn't tried to go NWN2 which never happened because of the mplayer bugs and then they gave up.

The one thing that would make Dragon Age, DA2 and any other game really amazing would be some sort of co-op mplayer. There is nothing like rp'laying online with other people!

[Addai]

RageGT wrote...

Well, the first time I listened to Album IV of Led Zeppeling I rushed back to the store and exchanged it to something else. Later I gave it a chance and it became simply my favourite album of all. This was like 33 years ago and it is still my favourite album of all! I could number a list of things that do this. Don't give up without really giving it a chance.

A few hours is not a chance?  These are hours of my life here.

I have heard the novels are good?  Maybe that would make it more interesting.

[Addai]

slimgrin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Doesn't seem like an RPG to me.  Gameplay feels pretty much like Modern Warfare did, though not as fast paced.

....?

??  What?  Go there, kill those guys, pick up that weapon, go over there and kill those guys, cutscene... what is different about it?  The fact that he has sex in between?

Modifié par Addai67, 05 août 2010 - 04:36 .

[Querne]

joriandrake wrote...

Querne wrote...

FOOOOOOOOOOOOOR FEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So.

um, that has nothing to do with the USA, every decent man or woman feels supportive for either home or ruler, or both, as in "for king and country"

Haven´t played an European RPG yet, where anybody screamed "For King and Country."
And: No, not every man or woman, that´s the point.
There are people who see their house and their family as their home and not the country they live in as they hardly can choose where they are born. They would fight for aunt Hilda, Baby Oot and the next harvest and not for king and country as they don´t know the king personally so he can k... their a.....
The only one really caring about the welth of the king is usually the king.
If you take the witcher as example, he refuses to join the war almost til the end, until he see´s that people he loves start to die. And than he fights for that people and not for the construct called country.

Loghain, Duncan, the Legion in the deep roads, Alistair, the warden, everybody puts his own issues behind Fereldens. For most simple medieval people it  was absolutely indifferent for witch lord or country their fight, because lords and borders changed practically every 5 weeks.

Besides of this I told, that patriotism is often thematised in American RPGs and not, that patriotism is generally American exclusive only. 

I really don´t know how it´s possible, that someone asks after playing a game about saving a whole country where the patriotism was.

It´s seems as DA2 handels "smaller" issues and problems and I´m really glad about the absence of ultimate evil storming the lands.

Modifié par Querne, 05 août 2010 - 04:52 .

[Kalfear]

slimgrin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

You guys bad mouthing Fable... have you ever played the game? It is an awesome game with many cool features that were "respectfully" copied by other games afterwards. I really don't know who is clueless when it comes to games.

Let's see, I'm 46 and have played most games that came out since Diablo 1 which was the milestone in cRPG. A good game is nothing other than a game which satisfies the customer. A bad game usually has lousy controls, cameras, gameplay, story, acting, graphics and stability. Tell me which of these applies to Fable.

I found Diablo so boring I didn't get past the demo, actually. So I guess Fable was better than that.

I consider Diablo a milestone in gaming as well. It influenced a lot of developers. 8 hrs in, and I had enough, but Diablo is a game that was easy to pick up and really get into. If it had better story, more varied maps to explore, and less redundant click and attack combat...I can only hope Blizzard has improved Diablo 3 - making it more of an rpg than a click fest.

God I hat e to do this. I mean what im about to do causes me physical pain and mental duress!

Alanc9 is right about Diablo.

Futher more you cant really call Diablo a cRPG, it was a dungeon delve, nothing more. They added a minimal amount of story to give the "impression" the combat had a meaning, much the same mentality was used for Mass Effect 2 and Fall Out 3 (both of which were also not cRPGs). All 3 games were simply action games with a story. Diablo however never really claimed to be anymore then that. I dont know why people calling it a cRPG now but at the time it released, it didnt even call itself a cRPG.

Diablo was a milestone game though, Slim and Rage correct about that, just not in the cRPG genre. It did influence a boat load of developers and the Diablo knock offs were never ending for the longest time!

I saw a game play video of Diablo 3, its still a click fest dungeon crawl at its heart, its not a cRPG in any real fashion. But thats ok cause Diablo is EXACTLY what Diablo claims to be. Nothing more. For folks that like that type of game play, they going to love Diablo3 just like the Starcraft fans will love Starcraft2. Starcraft2 has a amazing trailer that you think its a RPG (and a impressive one at that) but when you see the gameplay, you know its nots and never will be.

Having a story is not enough to clasify a game as a RPG. If that was the only standard, then most every game ever made is a cRPG in some fashion. The story has to be the driving point and the reason to play. THATS a RPG. In games like Diablo, Mass Effect 2, Fallout3. and from sounds of things, Dragon Age 2, it sounds like the story is only going to be there to give crediance to the combat. The combat (action) is what the developers focused on and the story was added after to give a reason for the different combat situations.

In a RPG, the combat props up the story, the story doesnt prop up the combat!

And thats what DA:O and the Witcher understood, story first, combat as filler to satidfy the story. In the Witcher 2, it sounds like they have a whole new combat system but the STORY is still the driveing point, the combat is still there, no matter how changed and inproved, to ADD TO (not take away from) the story.

With DA2 (from all I read) it sounds like they want the action to be the focuas point and they will add in story over ten years period to support the action. Just like Mass Effect 2. Thats not a real RPG.

Cant say it any more clear then what I did above and thats the core difference between The Witcher 2 and DA2 from the information we have thus far.

[elearon1]

You know, I never got the impression that ME2 was an action game with a story tacked on; to me it seemed like a story driven rpg with a more exciting combat system. You still develop relationships with varied peoples and groups, you still learn about the universe and contribute through decisions to an ever expanding story, and your decisions still promise to impact the ME universe through future products. The story was more focused around preparation for a specific goal and battle, so the "discovery/unraveling mysteries" part of the game was tuned down from the original, but I don't think that makes it less of an rpg. (well, maybe "less" of an rpg, but doesn't sacrifice its rpg status)



And if all the previous noter got out of The Witcher was "kill monster, pick up weapon, kill more monsters" she wasn't paying very good attention to the story or setting.

[elearon1]

Oh, and on the subject of Diablo - it is a point and click game, more akin to an arcade game than an rpg, but that doesn't mean it cannot be fun for what it is. It did have some good atmosphere, interesting back story, and at least one very memorable character, but it never claimed to be on the same level as Baldur's Gate. And some of those Diablo impersonators were actually very good - check out "Titan Quest" or "Hellgate: London" sometime.

[Pedrak]

elearon1 wrote...

You know, I never got the impression that ME2 was an action game with a story tacked on; to me it seemed like a story driven rpg with a more exciting combat system. You still develop relationships with varied peoples and groups, you still learn about the universe and contribute through decisions to an ever expanding story, and your decisions still promise to impact the ME universe through future products. The story was more focused around preparation for a specific goal and battle, so the "discovery/unraveling mysteries" part of the game was tuned down from the original, but I don't think that makes it less of an rpg. (well, maybe "less" of an rpg, but doesn't sacrifice its rpg status)

 

Agreed. It always surprises me how several gamers seem to deny ME2 its RPG status. It is an action RPG, but a RPG nonetheless. Show me a shooter with so much emphasis on dialogue, choices, non-linearity, characters and sidequests!
Does this mean I agree with all the choices made in ME2? No, and in fact I miss the management of the inventory that was in the first game.

As for the poster comparing the Witcher to Modern Warfare, if she plays some more I'm sure she will change her mind. One may like the game or not (I liked it a lot, although I found DAO definitely superior), but its RPG status is undeniable once one goes beyond the more mundane "bring me  twenty bear asses" tasks and starts finding some fairly complex sidequests.

Modifié par Pedrak, 05 août 2010 - 09:35 .

[DragonRageGT]

Addai67 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Well, the first time I listened to Album IV of Led Zeppeling I rushed back to the store and exchanged it to something else. Later I gave it a chance and it became simply my favourite album of all. This was like 33 years ago and it is still my favourite album of all! I could number a list of things that do this. Don't give up without really giving it a chance.

A few hours is not a chance?  These are hours of my life here.

I have heard the novels are good?  Maybe that would make it more interesting.

This:

elearon1 wrote...

And if all the previous noter got out of The Witcher was "kill monster, pick up weapon, kill more monsters" she wasn't paying very good attention to the story or setting.

And this: (a comment from YouTube)

LatinoHeatChamp: Oh Yeah! The Witcher OWNS Everything, seriously the Books are Awesome and the Enhanced Edition PWNS ^^

Just make sure you have the EE.

elearon1 wrote...

Oh, and on the subject of Diablo - it is a point and click game, more akin to an arcade game than an rpg, but that doesn't mean it cannot be fun for what it is. It did have some good atmosphere, interesting back story, and at least one very memorable character, but it never claimed to be on the same level as Baldur's Gate. And some of those Diablo impersonators were actually very good - check out "Titan Quest" or "Hellgate: London" sometime.

Agreed. But since Diablo does have char development, level ups, Unique items and bosses, quest items, and I assume you referred to Deckard Cain as the memorable character, (Sean Connery! lol) it might be classified as an action-rpg. And the story was kinda cool too. Kind Leoric and Lazarus the Butcher and Wirt! And of course, the multiplayer Iron Man Contest runs (never going back to town! using only what you find and excellent team play required) made it a very challenging game!

[Nerevar-as]

Addai67 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Doesn't seem like an RPG to me.  Gameplay feels pretty much like Modern Warfare did, though not as fast paced.

....?

??  What?  Go there, kill those guys, pick up that weapon, go over there and kill those guys, cutscene... what is different about it?  The fact that he has sex in between?

Did you play past the Prologue? Because that´s all you seem to have done. Unless MW is about doing RPG like quests I don´t see how that comparison holds. Play on hard, and combat doesn´t become routine until chapter 4-5. Besides, the prologue is a demi-god mode, you can die but only if you are really careless. After that enemies hurt.

[DragonRageGT]

And further to what Nerevar said, you might try playing it with Isometric camera. (F1, F2). The OTS camera was a pain in the neck when I first played and only after a couple of full runs it became actually natural and enjoyable.



Another thing that The Witcher has and would suit any game, DA2 included, is the water. It is the best water in games I can remember. Be it at a lake or a river, whether we can't pass the shore or walk a bit further into it, the feeling is so real.



Plus the small animals and birds. They're awesome. The flying ones feel really alive and real too. The geese seems that they might even attack you, like a real one might. And the Griggs! Lol... Awesome Griggs in the darkness. Hope you have a Cat potion to enjoy it!

[elearon1]

Just noticed the Griggs this last time I played through - though that might well be because I upgraded my video card since the previous game. Even so, I loved seeing them run about.



Something else I liked about the decisions you were asked to make - they weren't just decisions any person would have trouble with, but decisions that pitted the duty of the Witcher against the morality of the situation. Not all monsters are evil, especially compared to men. I would like to see decisions which gave some nod to your class or group affiliations - generally a Mage is going to look at things differently than a Rogue, and that should impact some of your decisions.

[fchopin]

Solid N7 wrote...

well to the bioware haters kalfear and chopin that don´t like bioware and etc I hope the next year I don´t see you around in this forum people like you don´t deserve to be bioware fans.

And how did i earn the bioware hater title? Or is your chopin reference for someone else?

[joriandrake]

fchopin wrote...

Solid N7 wrote...

well to the bioware haters kalfear and chopin that don´t like bioware and etc I hope the next year I don´t see you around in this forum people like you don´t deserve to be bioware fans.

And how did i earn the bioware hater title? Or is your chopin reference for someone else?

ignore SN7, he cheers for every change in DA2 that makes the game more like ME2 and boos at everyone who dislike these

[iTomes]

Addai67 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Doesn't seem like an RPG to me.  Gameplay feels pretty much like Modern Warfare did, though not as fast paced.

....?

??  What?  Go there, kill those guys, pick up that weapon, go over there and kill those guys, cutscene... what is different about it?  The fact that he has sex in between?

Addai67, whatever the creepy voice inside of you tells you: talking about a game you obviously didn't play doesnt make you smart. unless, of course, trolls are smart. but thats something i hardly doubt because otherwise they already would've built theyre own homes and could finally quit living under bridges.