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[Ulicus]

Thing is, Thedas is pretty dark. If we went by the codex alone, I'd have the impression of a rather gritty setting. It's just not borne out by the gameworld a lot of the time.

[TheMadCat]

But it was and is completely silly. BioWare should aspire to make/write
very high quality fantasy, and being dark has nothing to do with
reaching that goal.

Right, once has nothing to do with the other. Why couldn't they write a dark fantasy while also writing a high quality story and universe. Personally I feel Sapkowski's world is much, much better then the Dragon Age universe. A much higher quality and more detailed world while still able to portray a truly dark and gloomy atmosphere.

Ulicus wrote...

Thing is, Thedas is pretty dark. If we went by the codex alone, I'd have the impression of a rather gritty setting. It's just not borne out by the gameworld a lot of the time.

Ironically though we've been told what's in the codex isn't necessarily what's reflected in reality. Maybe the whole dark and grittiness that we were led to believe is true simply exaggerations in old tales.

[DragonRageGT]

Heh.. one very cool thing in the Witcher is the monster animation. The Vampires will stun you and bite your neck if they can! (And a Black Blood potion will kill them instantly then! =))

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Heh.. one very cool thing in the Witcher is the monster animation. The Vampires will stun you and bite your neck if they can! (And a Black Blood potion will kill them instantly then! =))

Black blood? Never heard of that one. Damn, even in the 3rd chapter of my second playthrough, I feel I'm missing a lot. Can you experiment with potion brewing?

Black Blood is 3 Vitriol, 1 Rebis, 1 Aether with good alchool base, of course.

You can experiment stuff without formulas but be careful because some end up powerful poisons and can kill Geralt real fast.. hehe (Not sure if it says Poison or just Unknown Potion and only after drinking you'll see the effect. But the Black Blood recipe should work fine and you might get it in the codex after brewing it, I think.

[Kalfear]

RageGT wrote...

Heh.. one very cool thing in the Witcher is the monster animation. The Vampires will stun you and bite your neck if they can! (And a Black Blood potion will kill them instantly then! =))

hehhe I do love the combo sigh attack with physical attack!

I LOVE ardd Stun + sword attack = grab opponent, spin around and give them a smiling neck tie that instantly kills opponent.

If this had been a DA franchise game you would have gallons of blood splashing all over the screen ruining the simply effect of the combo!

Witcher definately got the combo moves right!

[hangmans tree]

man...

I just listened to some redneck talking to a woman behind a house...he was trying to talk her into "debouchery" - she replied that her old man gonna be home tonight, drunk as always, he wont hear a thing - the man replied...she said "I dont know..." then he "fine, I may go to someone else then". In reply she said "asking and asking and he finally got it, fine, tonight then!" (something along the lines) made me laugh.



And its (TW) full of those little things

[Wyndham711]

TheMadCat wrote...

But it was and is completely silly. BioWare should aspire to make/write
very high quality fantasy, and being dark has nothing to do with
reaching that goal.

Right, once has nothing to do with the other. Why couldn't they write a dark fantasy while also writing a high quality story and universe. Personally I feel Sapkowski's world is much, much better then the Dragon Age universe. A much higher quality and more detailed world while still able to portray a truly dark and gloomy atmosphere.

Of course they could write dark fantasy, but that is no way a requirement for high quality. I'm not saying Thedas has already objectively surpassed the setting of a professional writer which he has been creating since at least the nineties. However, my personal enjoyement of Thedas and all the stories within is already much greater in comparison to the Witcher setting. Dark Fantasy isn't in any way intrinsically better than any other type of fantasy.

[Tirigon]

hangmans tree wrote...

man...
I just listened to some redneck talking to a woman behind a house...he was trying to talk her into "debouchery" - she replied that her old man gonna be home tonight, drunk as always, he wont hear a thing - the man replied...she said "I dont know..." then he "fine, I may go to someone else then". In reply she said "asking and asking and he finally got it, fine, tonight then!" (something along the lines) made me laugh.

And its (TW) full of those little things

However, in terms of great random dalogues DAO wins.



Because there is a place where 2 guys talk about the world, and one of them says "Imagine if we are not real but like a dream of a Higher Being. Like, we only exist in someone´s fantasy for their amusement."
The other responds: "You´re crazy" and I just loved this dialogue because the first one is so damned right:devil:

[dragon_83]

Tirigon wrote...



However, in terms of great random dalogues DAO wins.



Because there is a place where 2 guys talk about the world, and one of them says "Imagine if we are not real but like a dream of a Higher Being. Like, we only exist in someone´s fantasy for their amusement."
The other responds: "You´re crazy" and I just loved this dialogue because the first one is so damned right:devil:

They have probably seen Inception.

[hangmans tree]

or reebot

[AmstradHero]

I've seen numerous threads discussing the virtues of The Witcher, but I'd not tried the game until recently. I bought it on special from Steam, and all I can say is that I'm glad that I paid less than $10 for it, because I'd be extremely unhappy otherwise.

I could elaborate on the (numerous) reasons why I'm not fond of the game here in a massive wall-of-text, or I could just direct you to posts with my initial impressions and then a lengthy discourse on some of the game's failings.

The Witcher is not even remotely in the same league as Dragon Age, and Dragon Age 2 would have to be quite hideous in order to descend to the low bar set by the game. Elements I'd like to see from the game are few and far between.

Perhaps the only thing I'd be interested in is delayed consequences, but only if you're not bludgeoned with them like in The Witcher.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 11 août 2010 - 02:28 .

[Senzen Sumnor]

AmstradHero wrote...

I've seen numerous threads discussing the virtues of The Witcher, but I'd not tried the game until recently. I bought it on special from Steam, and all I can say is that I'm glad that I paid less than $10 for it, because I'd be extremely unhappy otherwise.

I could elaborate on the (numerous) reasons why I'm not fond of the game here in a massive wall-of-text, or I could just direct you to posts with my initial impressions and then a lengthy discourse on some of the game's failings.

The Witcher is not even remotely in the same league as Dragon Age, and Dragon Age 2 would have to be quite hideous in order to descend to the low bar set by the game. Elements I'd like to see from the game are few and far between.

Perhaps the only thing I'd be interested in is delayed consequences, but only if you're not bludgeoned with them like in The Witcher.

Well based on those two links you're not even in Chapter 2 yet?  I would say give it time, it's a good idea to play an entire game before rendering judgement.

[In Exile]

AmstradHero wrote...
I could elaborate on the (numerous) reasons why I'm not fond of the game here in a massive wall-of-text, or I could just direct you to posts with my initial impressions and then a lengthy discourse on some of the game's failings.

The Witcher is not even remotely in the same league as Dragon Age, and Dragon Age 2 would have to be quite hideous in order to descend to the low bar set by the game. Elements I'd like to see from the game are few and far between.

The Witcher falls on the cynical side of the idealism vs. cynicism scale. There are actually some very heartwarming and potentially heroic moments in the game; you they are just few and far between. There is a choice regarding a woman and her curse that is particularly well done, especially given the nature of a lot of other individuals in the game.

As for the choices - you absolutely have to get to more into chapter 2 and chapter 3 before you start getting into weighty stuff. The major theme of the Witcher really departs from the chapter 1 worst of both worlds choice.

More often than not, it comes down to two people, neither particularly good nor particularly bad (with the ending choices being exceptions) where both sides just will not agree or compromise. It's well done, because you're not forced to choose to be in two places at once; there are just two sides that will not work toghether, and it is easy to see how both are right and wrong. Moreover, you do get a choice in the end where you can leave both sides.

As for the storage - you're just wrong. You'll get access to another innkeeper who will store your items in Chapter 2. Any innkeeper stores items, and they swap. It's meta-game information you have access to that is true.

As for the fundamental issue: you will just find that people have different tastes in roleplaying games. That's the heart of the matter. To you, having vague and empty dialogue where you generate motivations is important. The Witcher allows you to define your own motivation in a narrow way.

In fact, in Chapter 3 you get an identity quest, where the whole quest runs gamelong (almost) and is entirely about who Geralt now thinks he is as a person.

As for what you're doing wrong with the Beast: you're not using oils (they're spectres - you have to coat your steel sword with spectre oil and use the fast style versus the strong style) and you're not using the most effective potions. Blizzard, for example, would slow down time giving you able speed to kill the mooks and the Beast. In fact, you can whittle them away in seconds.

Tawny Owl + Swallow + Spectre oil + Bliizard + aird signs will quickly knockdown, 1-hit execute and mop up the beast. If you're harvesting right, I believe you can make 1/2 rubedo dominant potions, and if you pair that with the Tany Owl your regeneration rate will go up a lot. 

People use the vitality potions all wrong. It's not about making you a tank; it' just about giving you increased regeneration so that when you're not fighting you recover faster. But the alchemy system is complex, and if you're not playing on easy, you will need to use a very varied repetoire of potions to win.

At any rate - Chapter 1 is by far the worst part of the Witcher.

Perhaps the only thing I'd be interested in is delayed consequences, but only if you're not bludgeoned with them like in The Witcher.

I think you're selling the game short. I don't think you'd ever like it - you want something very different out of what a game lets you do with a character.

I also don't think you agree on the flavour of the world - swearing and sex are crude, yes, but this is exactly what the game wants to convey. That the world is crude and base. It isn't always this way, and you get some very poignant moments as the game goes on, but the difference between DA:O and the Witcher is your ratio of sunshine moments to everyone is base moments.

Modifié par In Exile, 11 août 2010 - 02:55 .

[Ulicus]

TheMadCat wrote...

Ironically though we've been told what's in the codex isn't necessarily what's reflected in reality. Maybe the whole dark and grittiness that we were led to believe is true simply exaggerations in old tales.

So the aspects of the setting that require the most suspension of disbelief -- insofar as versimilitude is concerned -- are, in fact, the reality? Ironic.

When I talk about "gritty", I don't mean "grimdark" or anything. I mean something like what's presented here: here (ignore the guy talking over it, it's in English). I much prefer that kind of presentation (I don't mean graphics) because it makes the world feel considerably more "lived in" and "real". You don't have to focus on the low and scummy parts of a world, of course... but, if you do, I prefer them to actually be scummy.

Not that it's fair to compare TW2 and DA:O, of course, but you know what I mean.

Modifié par Ulicus, 11 août 2010 - 02:58 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

AmstradHero wrote...

I've seen numerous threads discussing the virtues of The Witcher, but I'd not tried the game until recently. I bought it on special from Steam, and all I can say is that I'm glad that I paid less than $10 for it, because I'd be extremely unhappy otherwise.

I could elaborate on the (numerous) reasons why I'm not fond of the game here in a massive wall-of-text, or I could just direct you to posts with my initial impressions and then a lengthy discourse on some of the game's failings.

The Witcher is not even remotely in the same league as Dragon Age, and Dragon Age 2 would have to be quite hideous in order to descend to the low bar set by the game. Elements I'd like to see from the game are few and far between.

Perhaps the only thing I'd be interested in is delayed consequences, but only if you're not bludgeoned with them like in The Witcher.

Yeah, I would give it a shot to finish it first, too. You merely finished chapter 1 -and there are 5 full chapters and a lenghty Epilogue in the game- and youre ready to throw it into the fire.
And I wont go into opinions, cause everything in games is subjetive and  is determined by your tastes and personal gameplay experience, but your rationale strikes me as "I personally dont like how the devs did that, so its crap". Your "review" of the last scene in chapter 1 is rather ludicrous... ALL computer RPGs "force" the player to a choice. It may "feel" like a choice but its a gimmick. If you want "real" choices you should stick to pen and paper.
 
SPOILERS AHEAD FOR BOTH GAMES
You complain that some characters that are in fact scum (those are the facts of the game) dont have better arguments to make you sway in their favor... Its like complaining in the Landsmeet how Loghain cant make a better argument for using torture... Trust me, if I weighed EVERY little thing I didnt like in DAO like you do with this game Id say its crap too, but I dont think that way. 

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Reading your page again it occurs to me that being yourself a modder, perhaps you dwell too much in trying to dissect the mechanics of the game, rather than letting yourself immerse in the story. Its impossible for me to think of a succesful roleplay experience in ANY game with that type of attitude.

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 12 août 2010 - 07:58 .

[TimelordDC]

AmstradHero wrote...

I've seen numerous threads discussing the virtues of The Witcher, but I'd not tried the game until recently. I bought it on special from Steam, and all I can say is that I'm glad that I paid less than $10 for it, because I'd be extremely unhappy otherwise.

I could elaborate on the (numerous) reasons why I'm not fond of the game here in a massive wall-of-text, or I could just direct you to posts with my initial impressions and then a lengthy discourse on some of the game's failings.

The Witcher is not even remotely in the same league as Dragon Age, and Dragon Age 2 would have to be quite hideous in order to descend to the low bar set by the game. Elements I'd like to see from the game are few and far between.

Perhaps the only thing I'd be interested in is delayed consequences, but only if you're not bludgeoned with them like in The Witcher.

I think that is a hasty decision you are making on the Witcher. I also think you will never get to enjoy the game because you've already convinced yourself that it is bad. The Beast fight is intended to be tough - so you can understand the way alchemy and magic can prove useful. There are hardly any occasions to use them before that.

If the nitpicks in your blog are to be applied to Dragon Age, it would fail miserably too. I am not comparing DA and the Witcher - both have many things they did right and some things that can be improved. If DA has to take something from the Witcher, it would be the realistic setting -> for example, there is practically no difference between alienage elves and other people, contrary to the lore. And if people have to swear, let them swear! This is supposed to be a mature game after all...I was sick of the Maker references.
It's been a while since I played the game but I can't recall anywhere where the dialogue writing tone was different. Everyone spoke the same way, in their college-educated accents. In Witcher, once you eventually move into the Noble district, you will notice the differences in dialogue too. In DA, be it within a noble castle or a forest camp or the alienage or the market district, everyone speaks the same -> that is jarring.

[Kalfear]

TimelordDC wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

I've seen numerous threads discussing the virtues of The Witcher, but I'd not tried the game until recently. I bought it on special from Steam, and all I can say is that I'm glad that I paid less than $10 for it, because I'd be extremely unhappy otherwise.

I could elaborate on the (numerous) reasons why I'm not fond of the game here in a massive wall-of-text, or I could just direct you to posts with my initial impressions and then a lengthy discourse on some of the game's failings.

The Witcher is not even remotely in the same league as Dragon Age, and Dragon Age 2 would have to be quite hideous in order to descend to the low bar set by the game. Elements I'd like to see from the game are few and far between.

Perhaps the only thing I'd be interested in is delayed consequences, but only if you're not bludgeoned with them like in The Witcher.

I think that is a hasty decision you are making on the Witcher. I also think you will never get to enjoy the game because you've already convinced yourself that it is bad.

The Beast fight is intended to be tough - so you can understand the way alchemy and magic can prove useful. There are hardly any occasions to use them before that.

If the nitpicks in your blog are to be applied to Dragon Age, it would fail miserably too. I am not comparing DA and the Witcher - both have many things they did right and some things that can be improved. If DA has to take something from the Witcher, it would be the realistic setting -> for example, there is practically no difference between alienage elves and other people, contrary to the lore. And if people have to swear, let them swear! This is supposed to be a mature game after all...I was sick of the Maker references.
It's been a while since I played the game but I can't recall anywhere where the dialogue writing tone was different. Everyone spoke the same way, in their college-educated accents. In Witcher, once you eventually move into the Noble district, you will notice the differences in dialogue too. In DA, be it within a noble castle or a forest camp or the alienage or the market district, everyone speaks the same -> that is jarring.

Yup, this guy went in wanting to not like the game, its pretty obvious! His mind was made up long before he paid under $10.00 (so he claims, I bought for $19.95 last month and went and checked just now and still $19.95 on Steam so something smells in his under $10.00 statement).

As for Beast being hard, imagine that, a chapter ending boss thats challenging. Who would have thunk?? LOL

With this guys logic I imagine he hated DA:O cause the final battle of mage tower was challenging, fighting the golems at end of deep Roads was challenging, the Dragons were terrible on the difficulty chart!

How dare game designers challenge their players! What were they thinking?

I got no issue with some people not likeing The Witcher, not every game is going to satisfy everyone.

suffice to say, I think the OP is just a blind Bioware fanboi looking to get some attention cause someone dared to challenge a Bioware product on quality! The FACT is, the Witcher is every bit as detailed as DA:O (and like 1000 times more then ME2), has a strong story and is well written. You dont need to be a fan to recognize that, you just need to be able to read over a grade 3 level.

Thats 2 people now that play the tutorial and try to reveiw game (shakes head). Got news for you, the tutorials in Bioware games not all that interesting or fun either but REAL PEOPLE with OPEN MINDS go past the tutorials if they plan to write reveiws. OP decided he was going to hate game, read a few walkthroughs/reveiws to sound like he played game, made up a fake amount spent on game to try and add that extra insult at game (for being really cheap), and came here looking for attention with his blog. Internet attracts all types. His reveiw of The Witcher is about as accurate as say my reveiw (if I wrote one) of oblivion would be (I didnt play that game either).

[Anarya]

Kalfear wrote...

[stuff]

Just popping in to say that The Witcher was on sale very briefly on Steam last month for 6.95 or thereabouts. I know this because I'm still crying on the inside for missing it.

[Dave of Canada]

Anarya wrote...
I know this because I'm still crying on the inside for missing it.

That cannot be too healthy.

Reminds me of this story.

Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world, where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says the treatment is simple: "The great clown Terrifini is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears: "But doctor . . . I am Terrifini."

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 août 2010 - 09:07 .

[Anarya]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...
I know this because I'm still crying on the inside for missing it.

That cannot be too healthy.

Reminds me of this story.

Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world, where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says the treatment is simple: "The great clown Terrifini is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears: "But doctor . . . I am Terrifini."

Well, you know, there's a reason crying clown pictures are a terrible cliche...

[Kalfear]

Anarya wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

[stuff]

Just popping in to say that The Witcher was on sale very briefly on Steam last month for 6.95 or thereabouts. I know this because I'm still crying on the inside for missing it.

hehe aye I know exactly when they had that sale, was before this thread started up

I missed it by 2 days as well (grrrrrrrrr) so time line of AmstradHero doesnt fit at all.

Plus (maybe its just me) I get something for $6.95, I say $6.95, not under $10.00. To me, under $10.00 sounds like he heard about sale but wasnt totally sure what the price was so rather then make a wrong price and get called on it, he said under $10.00 to be safe!

As I said, many of AmstradHero statements just dont add up!

Again, I have no problem beleiveing someone might not like The witcher, no game is perfect. But even swearing doesnt make sense. He played to the Beast, well there really wasnt much swearing at that point, swearing doesnt really enter game till you hit the slums of the city in Chapter 3. Again, sounds like he read a walkthrough picking out stuff to complain about but never played game.

Thats my take on it anyways! All I know for sure is anyone that likes Fantasy will like The Witcher story. They might not like the game mechanics but THEY WILL like the story. So OP claims fall short on that aspect as well! Same goes for DA:O, you might not like that game play but if you play through it, you will be impressed with the lore and story behind it all. REAL Fantasy fans predictable that way!

Also AmstradHero comes across as very young so he totally isnt the target audience for The Witcher. The Witcher is definately written for a older more mature crowd. Its not Twilight fan stuff. 

Modifié par Kalfear, 11 août 2010 - 09:23 .

[Anarya]

Kalfear wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

[stuff]

Just popping in to say that The Witcher was on sale very briefly on Steam last month for 6.95 or thereabouts. I know this because I'm still crying on the inside for missing it.

hehe aye I know exactly when they had that sale, was before this thread started up

I missed it by 2 days as well (grrrrrrrrr) so time line of AmstradHero doesnt fit at all.

Plus (maybe its just me) I get something for $6.95, I say $6.95, not under $10.00. To me, under $10.00 sounds like he heard about sale but wasnt totally sure what the price was so rather then make a wrong price and get called on it, he said under $10.00 to be safe!

As I said, many of AmstradHero statements just dont add up!

Again, I have no problem beleiveing someone might not like The witcher, no game is perfect. But even swearing doesnt make sense. He played to the Beast, well there really wasnt much swearing at that point, swearing doesnt really enter game till you hit the slums of the city in Chapter 3. Again, sounds like he read a walkthrough picking out stuff to complain about but never played game.

Thats my take on it anyways! All I know for sure is anyone that likes Fantasy will like The Witcher story. They might not like the game mechanics but THEY WILL like the story. So OP claims fall short on that aspect as well! Same goes for DA:O, you might not like that game play but if you play through it, you will be impressed with the lore and story behind it all. REAL Fantasy fans predictable that way!

Also AmstradHero comes across as very young so he totally isnt the target audience for The Witcher. The Witcher is definately written for a older more mature crowd. Its not Twilight fan stuff. 

Oh I wasn't really defending him, per se. Just saying it was possible. I'm still debating whether to pick that game up or not. Argh if only I hadn't missed that sale. Plus side: I did get ME1&2 and DA on sale. yay.

[AmstradHero]

I didn't go into the game hating it. I went into the game expecting something excellent because of the strong recommendations I'd had for it. If anything, my expectations were too high, and the game has fallen short of what I was told it would be. I wasn't attempting to aggravate anyone with my post, but it seems I hit a nerve. My apologies.

As for the boss fight being challenging - I have zero issues with that. My issue was that I tried a whole variety of tactics, and even when I was using every tool at my disposal (I didn't have any of that spectral oil, and I was using the strong style during the fight, I just went back into the game to take that screenshot), it came down to sheer luck for me to win.

Regarding not liking the choices - as I stated, it wasn't the decision itself that I had an issue with. It was the way in which I was being forced to make that decision laden with Geralt's reasons rather than my own.

@Kalfear: You, sir, obviously don't know me. To suggest I haven't played the game at all and am basing my posts on other people's reviews is fairly slanderous. You've spent your entire post attacking me rather than even attempting to try and allay the fears or address the issues that I've raised. You've accused me of lying about buying the game, lying about playing it, and making up a review to attack it. I would ask for an apology because I couldn't make the posts I have without having played the game, and I would not, because I don't believe in discussing/criticising something that I have no knowledge of. I would hope you would be polite enough to issue one.

I've stated quite clearly that I've not played the full game, and I make no apologies for that. I'm basing my decision the portion of the game I have played. Also I've quite happily pointed out flaws in BioWare's games too, and on a fairly regular basis, I might add. The only reason I linked to my blog is because without the images to
break it up, it would have been one hell of a wall of text that I doubt anyone would have read. I've given a lengthy description of things I don't like in the game and given reasons why. I've posted massive walls of text before and gotten TLDR responses, hence the short post with the link.


To those that made intelligent comments and discussion regarding the actual game, you have my thanks. I'll go back to the it and give it another shot. The fact that I haven't lost all those items I stored in the inn has encouraged me, as has the promise that I'll actually get some good grey choices.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 11 août 2010 - 10:17 .