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[PanosSmirnakos]

@ AmstradHero

I think that you should play at least half of the game to have a strong opinion about it. Prologue and act I are the introduction of the Witcher's story. If I have played Dragon Age from the Origins intro till Lothering, I simply can't have a strong and valid opinion about how good or not the game is. You haven't see the plot and the complete battle mechanics of the Witcher yet. It seems like you were in a hurry to criticize and form an opinion about Witcher, at least that is my impression from your blog. These RPGs are totally different from each other, so you can't find many Dragon Age elements in the Witcher and the opposite. I like these 2 games and I believe that they are the best next-gen RPGs for the PC but I can admit that TW as a product, although it's older from DA:O, technically it's superior from Dragon Age in terms of graphics, music / ambience / sound fxs, art direction / design, realism, atmosphere etc. DA:O has other advantages compared to Witcher, but never mind... If you love RPGs then give it some more time, it's worth it.

Modifié par PanosSmirnakos, 11 août 2010 - 11:30 .

[Kalfear]

Ams, only pointed out the very obvious flaws in your statement!

We both know you didnt play the game (even the tutorial) so spare the wounded child act.



I could tear every single statement apart that you made BECAUSE I HAVE PLAYED MOST OF THE GAME! You havent even downloaded it from all appearences.



Sorry but ill always stick up for both Witcher and DA:O from fake reveiwers like yourself looking for attention with made up nonsense you read elsewhere.

[hangmans tree]

Please stop arguing weather one's played the game or not. We can agree to disagree without personal attacks, stick to your arguments with the game not assumptions of player character/motives/actions or political taste...or some mod will eventually close the thread like many before that got out of hand because of participants derailed it by bikering and slanting around...

please have that in mind.

[hangmans tree]

Again, taking the example of the dwarf above, it's possible for me to ask him if he trades with these people he mentions. Suddenly he swears at me (there's that "maturity" again) and then refuses to talk to me at all.

I think you didnt get the picture...just because of the suspiction of helping terrorist you get hanged, and if you're a non human you are likely to be guilty from the get-go.

He thinks you are a provokateur, so he tells you to bugger off, but you can talk to him the next day (I think).

I say you didnt read closely and didnt pay attention to what's being said earlier in the game.



Beast fight: you complain ... using the knowledge, alchemy (potions, blade coatings), signs, dodging is too much and the game is demanding? Bad approach. You have to prepare for the fights and enemies first. You say you're using fast style for the doggies. When in a pack you must use group style.

A chance you can stun event the toughest enemy and finish him in one blow is a bad thing? Its not luck, these are your abilities as a witcher, a proffesional monster slayer.

Witchers are so fast that they rarely parry or exchange blows with swords - it dulls the adge. They jump in under your guard, cut your artery or (spinal) nerves in a short and swift strike with the tip of a razor sharp sword. Thats how its done.

[AmstradHero]

*sigh* Please keep the discussion on the content, not on the people.

As for the conversations, practically every single conversation thus far has started with an exchange that I don't control. I'm reserving judgment until I've played the rest of the game, but unless the dialogue style changes dramatically as I continue, I stand by my assessment that I'm presented with a cutscene exchange at the start of most conversations.

hangmans tree: The information provided about the Scoai'taei (sp?) at that point was insufficient to know that he would react so strongly. I didn't know he'd talk to me again after a day, so it's not as bad as I thought.

As for the beast fight, I said I was using strong style because that's what the description suggests; though I could use group style, I'm more skilled in strong style and took the approach that it was best to eliminate a single opponent and prevent them from doing me damage rather than spreading around my attacks meaning my enemies survive longer. The whole issue was that the fight (which I've been reassured is pretty much the worst in the entire game) can either be long and result in your death, or last for a few seconds and result in your victory.

To reiterate the closing of my last post, I will be going back and playing the game with the consideration that I'm not roleplaying my character, I'm roleplaying Geralt's pre-set character.  This is largely thanks to the arguments of the few people who made reasoned arguments as a result of my post rather than simply attacking me. To those people, I say that I appreciate you taking the effort to produce a coherent discussion on the game. To the others... I suggest you learn how to deal with reasoned criticism based on experience.

[danien.grey]

Kalfear wrote...

Ams, only pointed out the very obvious flaws in your statement!
We both know you didnt play the game (even the tutorial) so spare the wounded child act.

I could tear every single statement apart that you made BECAUSE I HAVE PLAYED MOST OF THE GAME! You havent even downloaded it from all appearences.

Sorry but ill always stick up for both Witcher and DA:O from fake reveiwers like yourself looking for attention with made up nonsense you read elsewhere.

I think the Witcher is an awesome game. 

However, I'd like to point out that ad hominem is the quickest way to prove that you're a fanboy instead of a critic.  Attack and refute the arguments, not the person...unless you think his arguments are correct? They're not wholly correct btw, so perhaps a discussion about the actual topic at hand instead of mud slinging and flaming would be the more mature thing to do.

Ahem, getting back to the topic at hand.  AmstradHero, while I agree with your frustrations while playing the game, there are many parts of The Witcher I enjoyed.  I'll be taking the concerns up with you in PM instead of blasting vitriol and hate all over the forums.

[Kalfear]

danien.grey wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Ams, only pointed out the very obvious flaws in your statement!
We both know you didnt play the game (even the tutorial) so spare the wounded child act.

I could tear every single statement apart that you made BECAUSE I HAVE PLAYED MOST OF THE GAME! You havent even downloaded it from all appearences.

Sorry but ill always stick up for both Witcher and DA:O from fake reveiwers like yourself looking for attention with made up nonsense you read elsewhere.

I think the Witcher is an awesome game. 

However, I'd like to point out that ad hominem is the quickest way to prove that you're a fanboy instead of a critic.  Attack and refute the arguments, not the person...unless you think his arguments are correct? They're not wholly correct btw, so perhaps a discussion about the actual topic at hand instead of mud slinging and flaming would be the more mature thing to do.

Ahem, getting back to the topic at hand.  AmstradHero, while I agree with your frustrations while playing the game, there are many parts of The Witcher I enjoyed.  I'll be taking the concerns up with you in PM instead of blasting vitriol and hate all over the forums.

If you read back (oh lordy lordy god forbide I read before I speak), I originally did refute his statements (he even got a backer, for a short time, till I explained the time line and why he was obviously lieing) and he just dismissed it like the child he is.

So strike one, your out, now I attack the person for lieing cause if there is one thing I cant stand, its liars! 
Plain and simple!

Says he bought game at under 10 from this discussion, this discussion opened up 2 days after the $6.95 sale ended on steam. End effect, hes lieing!
Says vulgarity a issue, vulgarity isnt even common place till chapter 3 which hes states he didnt play! HES LIEING (well guess he could be the weakest thinnest skinned person to ever hit the internet but then if thats the case he shouldnt be judgeing anyone or anything else, fix his own issues)
Writes a reveiw after playing (AT MOST) the tutorial. HES LIEING (Hey I just bought the new Mass Effect book, I read the cover page, let me give you a reveiw on it. Same damn thing imo)

You seeing a patern here?

Not to mention I check Witcher.com dailey and I dont see a post there from him outlining the issues he has with game. Only here on a thread about the comparisson between game and DA2, yet he offers nothing in that discussion, just bashes a game he never played! and make no mistake, thats all hes doing is game bashing in my eyes. Go play the game and then pass judgement. Hell play half, quarter of the game even! You never see me talk about Oblivion even though Ive read a million bad reveiws, why you ask, BECAUSE I NEVER PLAYED THE GAME! Thats why

Need I go on?

As I said, I got no issue with people not likeing the Witcher, I have made numberous posts (at the web site mind you as thats the logical place you go to write a reveiw about a product) saying what I do and do not like, but at least I played the game. I hate ME2 but you know what, I FINISHED THE GAME before I bothered telling Bioware what I didnt like about it! Thats right, I didnt go to Blizzards WOW website to tell everyone how I hated Biowares ME2 (because that would be stupid).

This kids reveiw is nothing more then mindless trolling in my eyes. Once again some kid talking about what he has no clue about. Go finish the game and THEN write a reveiw and pass judgement or come here and say "I have no desire to play the game so have nothing more to offer the discussion". Either outlet would be acceptable!

dont like the vularity, tell us what vulgarity offended you and why? Did it not suit the situation? What did the character say (with in reason) and why? Dont just make banket statements like he did.

This present website is filled with people who dont like the direction DA2 is going but at least these people have multiple articles and interveiws to site as information they gained. No one is writing a reveiw about how much DA2 sucks right now cause no one has played DA2.

What the kid should write is:
"I have no interest in The Witcher, I have read others reveiws that complain about aspects that I beleive to be true and even though I have no first hand knowledge on the issue, I dont want to spend my money on the product. Some of the complaints I have heard are about vulgarity and sex cards and hard combat"

Thats all he had to write and I would have simply said "to each their own" but he made things up and when called on them, dismissed and ignored and continued on trying to pull the sham! 
Personally, I cant be bothered with fake kindness to posters like that! Simply cant be bothered! 

[danien.grey]

I fully admit to the fact that this thread has reached the point of TLDR, and I only skimmed over the countless pages.



Being that you already refuted and made your points, why is it that you feel the need to continue the argument and resort to ad hominem? While your zeal is commendable, attacking the man rather than the argument is not.



Even when responding to me, who happens to be a fellow fan of The Witcher, you came out swinging with ad hominem. I agreed with your earlier points, and only posted when it seems your entire argument had descend into pure ad hominem.



If you decide that you have successfully refuted all the arguments, and that the new arguments have no merit, why are you validating it by continuing to post your lengthy diatribes here? If his opinions hold no water, why are you still incensed and projecting the image of "foaming at the mouth" by posting a long rant full of animosity here?



I am disappointed that the thread has come to this, but instead of resorting to ad hominem to answer you, I'm just going to leave it be and say they're both interesting and great games that have their merits.

[Vizkos]

Rather than saying things from TW I want in the game, how about I say things I don't want:



Clunky combat system.

Constant crashes when saving games.

[danien.grey]

Prosthetics511 wrote...

Rather than saying things from TW I want in the game, how about I say things I don't want:

Clunky combat system.
Constant crashes when saving games.

The combat system takes some getting used to, but it's more interesting that right clicking and auto-attacking you find in a lot of RPGs nowadays.

I agree with crashes being an issue though.  I look forward to the sequel, I'm almost certain they will address many of the issues that the original had (which, btw, will make it an almost perfect game).

[farris]

I think it's fair to say that Witcher is an average game. But let's be honest, we can say the same about all RPGs in general.

[Wolverfrog]

I've never heard of this "Witcher" before coming to this forum, and a read of a few reviews makes it sound like a game that doesn't begin to compare to the brilliance of Bioware.

[Lord Gremlin]

Wolverfrog wrote...

I've never heard of this "Witcher" before coming to this forum, and a read of a few reviews makes it sound like a game that doesn't begin to compare to the brilliance of Bioware.

It's indeed ****. But the Witcher is broken, boring and popular among nerds. Let me enlighten you: at launch almost ALL quest NPCs shared 1 (one) model with different textures. Also, it has no combat system. Or the worst combat system you've ever seen.

[Kondorr]

Well I liked the Witcher a lot... espescially the enhanced version... the graphics are a lot more dense, richer and the whole game looks more realistic...
yes, the face animations were better on DA:O... the character model variety was bigger in DA:O...
but all in all... looking at witcher is definitely more pleasant... and it allows you to get sucked into the game quicker... were as DA:O looks like Lineage2... and from the games release dates point of view it IS a bad thing...

The sex and the profanity are great, but they are just mature-bonus... but the story itself was for me personally the most interesting thing... while DA:O was in my opinion simply boring...

The fights...
I prefer the Witcher combat... but that is just my opinion... it's more intense, you have to actually fight and try your best... DA:O was more strategic... nothing bad in it... just when I want strategic i play Command & Conquer

All in all have I finished Witcher 2 times... and DA:O... I just awoke the king and entered some dwarven dungeon...

I believe that there is a customer group for both games... and I will be getting The Witcher2... regardless of reviews... but DA2... now that one will get me solled only through very positive reviews...

Modifié par Kondorr, 12 août 2010 - 10:37 .

[hangmans tree]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

I've never heard of this "Witcher" before coming to this forum, and a read of a few reviews makes it sound like a game that doesn't begin to compare to the brilliance of Bioware.

It's indeed ****. But the Witcher is broken, boring and popular among nerds. Let me enlighten you: at launch almost ALL quest NPCs shared 1 (one) model with different textures. Also, it has no combat system. Or the worst combat system you've ever seen.

Well, your arguments and wording indeed show your enlightement.
Many members of this or TW community would dissagree with you. About quest NPCs: not true. It was a problem, the low diversity of models but far less than almost ALL! suggests.
Brilliance of Bioware? Are we dealing with absolutes now? heh, funny.
But most of all read of a few reviews discredits you as an equivalent participant in this disscussion.

[markoes23]

Modifié par markoes23, 12 août 2010 - 11:47 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Well, the Witcher is not for everybody, thats for sure, and thats not a crime. Im a firm believer that gamers should stick to what they like. Were not in the Chantry here, seeking to convert the heathen...

But going back to Amstrad's posts, it never ceases to amaze me the fact of how different people are affected so differently by the same work of art, movie, book or in this case, "artsy" videogame. The same scene that Amstrad describes as something that put him off so much, was the scene that won me over and made me fell in love with the character.

SPOILERS AHEAD
Geralt is facing a hostile crowd, and he gives a speech about the human condition (the most emotive speech I heard in an RPG) and the girl hes defending just looks at him all thankful and gleamy eyes... I remember I had teary eyes myself at that point... Then he dismisses the crowd WITHOUT resorting to use his sword. The scene is so powerful that Im sure many gamers should've felt smthg similar, as this video of the "legendary Toegoff" proves

http://www.youtube.c.../33/eS22Md49fNI
DONT CLICK UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET REALLY SPOILED

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 12 août 2010 - 05:33 .

[Kondorr]

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

SPOILERS AHEAD
Geralt is facing an hostile crowd, and he gives a speech about the human condition (the most emotive speech I heard in an RPG) and the girl hes defending just looks at him all thankful and gleamy eyes... I remember I had teary eyes myself at that point... Then he dismisses the crowd WITHOUT resorting to use his sword. The scene is so powerful that Im sure many gamers should've felt smthg similar...

Could not agree more! One of the best cut scenes in an RPG... this really felt more intense than most games ending scenes... [SPOILER] especially because you CAN side with the mob and imply get her killed... [SPOILER END]

[Nerevar-as]

Kondorr wrote...

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

SPOILERS AHEAD
Geralt is facing an hostile crowd, and he gives a speech about the human condition (the most emotive speech I heard in an RPG) and the girl hes defending just looks at him all thankful and gleamy eyes... I remember I had teary eyes myself at that point... Then he dismisses the crowd WITHOUT resorting to use his sword. The scene is so powerful that Im sure many gamers should've felt smthg similar...

Could not agree more! One of the best cut scenes in an RPG... this really felt more intense than most games ending scenes... [SPOILER] especially because you CAN side with the mob and imply get her killed... [SPOILER END]

Yes. And then I picked the lesser evil phrase. Which she was. Felt like playing the book.

[hangmans tree]

I enjoyed the mob-dialogue too, especially when Geralt threatens townsfolk to come back and murder every last one of them made my skin grow goose bumps from excitement...yep, one of the best cutscense in the game...not overrated, neither shallow nor flat...

[AmstradHero]

And the above posts are what I'm interested in seeing. I'm interested to know how people react to the game and various scenes. As I said, for me, that scene didn't work because I was annoyed at having a character act in a way that I didn't want them to act for reasons I didn't agree with. However, after hearing people's descriptions of their reactions and why they liked the scene, I can understand and appreciate what they enjoyed about it. No, it hasn't particularly changed my mind about the scene, but I can understand and accept that other people have a different point of view about the game.

I'm currently exploring Vizima and hunting for the person who sent the assassins after me after killing a Greater cockatrice with Siegfried.  Like some other parts of the game, I've found it reasonably enjoyable... yes, that's right, I can have fun playing The Witcher! (There's no need for its proponents to try and burn me like Abigail)

I'm not angling to be a professional game critic - I have no interest in writing reviews that people will disagree with by delivering personal attacks because they are unable to divest themselves of the belief that their opinion is right and everyone who disagrees is wrong. I do look at aspects of game design because I find them interesting and I believe it helps to make better game mods (or games if I'm ever lucky enough to be employed in that capacity). Sometimes I have to address what I believe to be poor design decisions or things that annoy me as gamer, which is typically done by providing examples. The Witcher happened to be a game that I found some things that I thought were weaknesses. If people disagree, that's fine, I'd just like them to detail the reasons why they disagree.

BTW... if anyone still doesn't think I've played the game... you think I scoured the Internet looking for those pictures I posted? Or perhaps you could check Steam (gee, I wonder what my Steam ID is?) and confirm that I own and play the game. Come on people, try using some logic before throwing around baseless accusations.

[danien.grey]

AmstradHero wrote...
... if anyone still doesn't think I've played the game...

Lol, just let it go AmstradHero.  That guy devolved into a flaming troll.  Let him wallow in his hate and fire.

Back to what we were discussing, the mob scene has a positive or negative impact depending on your emotional attachment to what Geralt is saying.  If you fundamentally disagree with what he's doing you will obviously find the scene annoying.