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[Nerevar-as]

Estel78 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

1) The Witcher 2
2) Deus Ex  3
3) The Old Republic

As it sounds, Dragon Age 2 will get picked up on Steam after the fact for $10.00 or so. However, if they keep pushing combat and action like they been doing, I might opt out completely and just not buy title! Course on flip side, if they finally start showing something about story and immersion (I got a good laugh at person saying DA2 about Story. What story? all they shown is copmbat combat combat and dumbed down dialog wheel), DA2 might move back up list. Based on ME2, its doubtful but it might happen.

*sighs* I cant wait for Q1 of 2011.

Yes because Witcher 2 has no action and a paraphrased answers dialog system...

But it is closer to what TW1 was than DA2 seems to be to Origins, so far is PC exclusive so no one can claim the console "dumbing down", and let´s face it, if BW did as TW devs, DA:O&A would be bug free by now.
Still don´t get the ME2 issue, didn´t find the changes so terrible nor significant as so many did.

[Mihura]

Estel78 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

1) The Witcher 2
2) Deus Ex  3
3) The Old Republic

As it sounds, Dragon Age 2 will get picked up on Steam after the fact for $10.00 or so. However, if they keep pushing combat and action like they been doing, I might opt out completely and just not buy title! Course on flip side, if they finally start showing something about story and immersion (I got a good laugh at person saying DA2 about Story. What story? all they shown is copmbat combat combat and dumbed down dialog wheel), DA2 might move back up list. Based on ME2, its doubtful but it might happen.

*sighs* I cant wait for Q1 of 2011.

Yes because Witcher 2 has no action and a paraphrased answers dialog system...

I guess people just like to be blind, The Witcher 2 changed has must has DA 2 even if people do not like to see that.

[Estel78]

Nerevar-as wrote...

But it is closer to what TW1 was than DA2 seems to be to Origins, so far is PC exclusive so no one can claim the console "dumbing down"

What weird logic is that? It has all the traits of a dumbed down action game (not my opinion but the definition of the haters) but we won't call it that because it's a PC exclusive (for the time being)?

And i disagree about it being closer to TW1. Direct control over your attacks is quite a change, plus added stealth and cover mechanics. 

[Nerevar-as]

No, it didn´t. We were always Geralt, always with VO. No racial choices removed. Even with the new engine you can recognize the characters and scenarios and combat was already oriented to action. Just realized I have not seen iso view in TW2, maybe cause I never used it. No AoE here.

And we still don´t know just how much DA2 gameplay has changed, all I´ve seen are contradictions. Graphics need a lot of work and DS to go back to the earlier design.

[Nerevar-as]

Estel78 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
 
But it is closer to what TW1 was than DA2 seems to be to Origins, so far is PC exclusive so no one can claim the console "dumbing down"

What weird logic is that? It has all the traits of a dumbed down action game (not my opinion but the definition of the haters) but we won't call it that because it's a PC exclusive (for the time being)?

And i disagree about it being closer to TW1. Direct control over your attacks is quite a change, plus added stealth and cover mechanics. 

To me it is easier to accept going from TW system which was already halfway to action than from DA, which was kind of real time turn. TW also needed improvement in that area. I am of the ones who liked combat, but at 3/4 of game it became too easy.
For DA2 I´m also more worried for what they are taking from from the game, rather than what they are adding. That maybe another reason, we usually expect sequels to add things, not take them away. See the reactions to ME2.

That doesn´t mean I´ll love W2 and hate DA2, but so far I have far better expectancies for the former than the latter. My only big concern for W2 is some characters from the books that should have been there already in W1.

[Kalfear]

Mihura wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

1) The Witcher 2
2) Deus Ex  3
3) The Old Republic

As it sounds, Dragon Age 2 will get picked up on Steam after the fact for $10.00 or so. However, if they keep pushing combat and action like they been doing, I might opt out completely and just not buy title! Course on flip side, if they finally start showing something about story and immersion (I got a good laugh at person saying DA2 about Story. What story? all they shown is copmbat combat combat and dumbed down dialog wheel), DA2 might move back up list. Based on ME2, its doubtful but it might happen.

*sighs* I cant wait for Q1 of 2011.

Yes because Witcher 2 has no action and a paraphrased answers dialog system...

I guess people just like to be blind, The Witcher 2 changed has must has DA 2 even if people do not like to see that.

ummm whats this person trying to say? has must has??????

If its trying to say Witcher 2 has changed AS MUCH AS, then thats flat out false and typical spin found on this website.

Witcher 2 is the sequel to The Witcher.
It looks like the sequel, sounds like the sequel, has the same characters as you would expect in a sequel. Its systems are updated but still based in the original concept! ITS A SEQUEL!

DA2, well its just easier to say DA2 is not a sequel even though its named as such to mislead and misdirect those people that dont visit the websites and the paid off reveiw sites and dont know better. Same scam they pulled with ME2.

Seriously, is there a single DA2 fan that doesnt spin and lie on this site???

[Mihura]

Kalfear wrote...

ummm whats this person trying to say? has must has??????

If its trying to say Witcher 2 has changed AS MUCH AS, then thats flat out false and typical spin found on this website.

Witcher 2 is the sequel to The Witcher.
It looks like the sequel, sounds like the sequel, has the same characters as you would expect in a sequel. Its systems are updated but still based in the original concept! ITS A SEQUEL!

DA2, well its just easier to say DA2 is not a sequel even though its named as such to mislead and misdirect those people that dont visit the websites and the paid off reveiw sites and dont know better. Same scam they pulled with ME2.

Seriously, is there a single DA2 fan that doesnt spin and lie on this site???

You are being a little over dramatic, no? Did I offend you that must? My first language is not English so calm down.

How am I lying? the witcher change a lot too, there are fans that did not liked Geralt's face and are saying he looks like a cartoon, the rage is not exclusive to this forum.

Now you have a type of metal gear batman that I like but where did you had that in the first? and the dialogue is not the same is cut too, the combat, the characters and the overall style changed, it sounds like they change a lot to me maybe for the better but it is still a change.

By the way I never said that DA 2 was a sequel I just said that The Witcher 2 and DA 2 booth had dramatic turns in every aspect of the game if you do not see that then it is not my fault, sorry. I am dropping this discussion because it has noting to do with the topic.

Modifié par Mihura, 20 août 2010 - 03:17 .

[Dansayshi]

TW was genuinely a great game. If it had biowares touch of a paragon system which actually developed through the game instead of "I R KENZ EVAL TODAY! ME BE GUD TOMAROW" (that really annoys me how the chars can be good one minute then pretty much sacrifice a galaxy the next). If it had better combat mechanics and a chargen system, it'd be getting close to perfect imo.



Theirs always a charm about smaller unknown studios too, they usually add afew things to games which bigger studios now overlook, such as small minigames such as gambling in pubs / inns etc.

[Rubbish Hero]

Witcher 2 very super hot.

New screens wow.

[AlanC9]

Dansayshi wrote...
that really annoys me how the chars can be good one minute then pretty much sacrifice a galaxy the next

So you're annoyed when a game lets you make your character behave inconsistently? Why don't you just, you know, not do that? You really need the devs to protect you from yourself?

[Kalfear]

Dansayshi wrote...

TW was genuinely a great game. If it had biowares touch of a paragon system which actually developed through the game instead of "I R KENZ EVAL TODAY! ME BE GUD TOMAROW" (that really annoys me how the chars can be good one minute then pretty much sacrifice a galaxy the next). If it had better combat mechanics and a chargen system, it'd be getting close to perfect imo.

Theirs always a charm about smaller unknown studios too, they usually add afew things to games which bigger studios now overlook, such as small minigames such as gambling in pubs / inns etc.

Ok, granted ive only played through fully once and on my 2nd replay of the witcher and only read one of the books that inspired the game.

But I cant think of a single instance where your evil in the Witcher?
There are choices for you to make but those choices are not evil choices, they (for lack of better word) "preception" choices.

Example, I choose to give the scoitel food and weapons (as they were starving and defenceless) in act 1 of the game. At end of act one I learn they used the weapons to attack and kill a merchant caravan stealing all their oren and goods.

My choose however, was not evil in nature. In fact one could say I made the "GOOD CHOICE" rather then letting them starve and die defencelessly to the local soldiers.

As I said, I cant think of one evil option in game. The witcher is all about sideing with the non humans, the knights, or no one (staying neutral) and all options are presented in a way that you can openly justify your actions as being a good hearted person.

DA:O allowed you to be much much more evil one time and good the next then the Witcher did.

Sorry but I dont understand what your trying to say here?

PS: The Witcher didnt need Biowares paragon system and it would have been out of place if it had it! What CDProjekt needs is Biowares media attention to spread the word about their games. If The Witcher had the press coverage of ME2 or even DA2 (so far), I have no doubt in my mind the 1.5-1.7 million units they have sold so far would be around the 3 million mark.

Ill be interested to see what the Witcher 2 does as its PC first and then coming out on 360 and PS3 after the fact. Ill be really surprised if the Witcher 2 doesnt do DA:O numbers or better based on first games sales figures and the excellent word of mouth the game gets from those that played it.

Modifié par Kalfear, 20 août 2010 - 05:56 .

[HoonDing]

Replaying TW isn't as bad as I thought. The final decision regarding the faction you end up with comes at the end of Chapter 4 regardless what Geralt did before that. So it's just a question of reloading a save and grind through the two last chapters.

Though I wonder if picking Shani instead of Triss will have any effect on TW2. 

Modifié par virumor, 20 août 2010 - 07:56 .

[Gena Mafer]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Witcher: crap magic system, repetitive combat, no character classes, tedious alchemy system, few cool skills, bland talent trees, story that tries too hard to be dark. It's an awful game.

Ray Myzuka is that you?

Witcher is arguably better than anything BW has made since BGII, and therefore a better RPG than BW will ever make again, since BW is only interested from here on out in ME clones and DLC sales-- 10 Million Units Ahoy!  BW used to just make the same game over and over by using the same 4-plot-hub structure.  Now apparently they will make the same game over and over by cloning ME and putting different clothes on it, and turning up their awful misinfo/disinfo + c&*@tease hype machine to 11.

Hey BW:  Take a look at those W2 screens if you need to learn what a sword & sorcery fantasy aesthetic is supposed to look like.  Nobody will ever call that 'generic', even though it is textbook fantasy-- hell, because it is textbook fantasy.

It's just done well, by people who know what they are doing, and who have the skill to implement properly.

[DarthCaine]

erm... I not really sure how much you people are informed but The Witcher 2 has a hack n slash gameplay now along with quick time events (no I'm not joking). I won't mind, but just thought I'd inform you RPG elitists. Personaly, I think Witcher 2 is much less of an RPG than DA2

Modifié par DarthCaine, 20 août 2010 - 09:24 .

[DarthCaine]

Kalfear wrote...

Witcher 2 is the sequel to The Witcher.
It looks like the sequel, sounds like the sequel, has the same characters as you would expect in a sequel. Its systems are updated but still based in the original concept! ITS A SEQUEL!

You don't seem to realize that 80% of sequels have a different protagonist and different characters:
SW: KOTOR2, NwN2, The Elder Scroll series, Fable series, Vampire: The Masquerade series, Final Fantasy series, Fallout series, Metal Gear Solid series, Devil May Cry 4, Manhunt 2, GTA series, Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy,  True Crime series, Call of Duty series, Resident Evil series, Mafia 2, Godfather 2, BioShock 2, Medal of Honor series, Brothers in Arms series, Soul Reaver, Deus Ex series etc etc...

Modifié par DarthCaine, 20 août 2010 - 09:39 .

[Kalfear]

last time I looked we talking RPGs and DA2 and Witcher 2 so nice spin but how about you bring it back to topic!



And the QTE in TW2 is just a update on its original system from all appearences. Jury out on how the QTE will work but least the focus of game remains on RPG elements. So far all we hear about with DA2 is combat combat combat! How about they show some non combat game play (is there any??? or is it all cutscreens between fights??? Talk about character advancement and interaction when not fighting. Are the granny panties out? Anything that doesnt have to do with combat already.



People expect updates in sequel, but there a difference between updating and implimenting everything new so its a totally different game!



But your the last person I would expect a balanced discussion from regarding a BW product so spin away Kid, spin away

[TM13h]

One of the best things about The Witcher 2 is that it is developed on and for the PC, with console versions possible. The PC version of DAO, as well as ME2, looks really dated with low-res textures and so on. This is due to BioWare developing the game with the lacking capabilities of consoles in mind. They are too lazy and gave PC gamers a version that did not make use of the technical superiority of the PC, and with DA2 it will be the same as can be seen at the gamescom. I guess this comes from figures like 10M copies sold and wanting to make the most profit with a minimal amount of work.

[Stompi]

I certaintly won't choose between the two games. It's not like they are releasing a new quality RPG every two weeks. 2010 really wasn't the best year in gaming history. I can't wait for 2011.

But there are really big gameplay differences between both series. The only part that is really similiar is the decision-based story. But I have to admit that I'm more impressed by The Witcher 2 so far. But in the end, graphics will never be a real factor for me.

Modifié par Stompi, 20 août 2010 - 11:11 .

[Nerevar-as]

virumor wrote...

Replaying TW isn't as bad as I thought. The final decision regarding the faction you end up with comes at the end of Chapter 4 regardless what Geralt did before that. So it's just a question of reloading a save and grind through the two last chapters.

Though I wonder if picking Shani instead of Triss will have any effect on TW2. 

The decision you take in the bank in chapter 3 prevents an alliance with the side you didn´t choose, so one of the endings is blocked since around 1/2 of the game.

I guess Triss/Shani might have an effect, especially if they bring back Geralt´s girlfriend, who was Triss´s best friend.

[Dreadstruck]

Nerevar-as wrote...
.I guess Triss/Shani might have an effect, especially if they bring back Geralt´s girlfriend, who was Triss´s best friend.

Girlfriend? Those two were actually married together as I remember.

[Braag]

Kalfear wrote...

Dansayshi wrote...

TW was genuinely a great game. If it had biowares touch of a paragon system which actually developed through the game instead of "I R KENZ EVAL TODAY! ME BE GUD TOMAROW" (that really annoys me how the chars can be good one minute then pretty much sacrifice a galaxy the next). If it had better combat mechanics and a chargen system, it'd be getting close to perfect imo.

Theirs always a charm about smaller unknown studios too, they usually add afew things to games which bigger studios now overlook, such as small minigames such as gambling in pubs / inns etc.

Ok, granted ive only played through fully once and on my 2nd replay of the witcher and only read one of the books that inspired the game.

But I cant think of a single instance where your evil in the Witcher?
There are choices for you to make but those choices are not evil choices, they (for lack of better word) "preception" choices.

Example, I choose to give the scoitel food and weapons (as they were starving and defenceless) in act 1 of the game. At end of act one I learn they used the weapons to attack and kill a merchant caravan stealing all their oren and goods.

My choose however, was not evil in nature. In fact one could say I made the "GOOD CHOICE" rather then letting them starve and die defencelessly to the local soldiers.

As I said, I cant think of one evil option in game. The witcher is all about sideing with the non humans, the knights, or no one (staying neutral) and all options are presented in a way that you can openly justify your actions as being a good hearted person.

DA:O allowed you to be much much more evil one time and good the next then the Witcher did.

Sorry but I dont understand what your trying to say here?

PS: The Witcher didnt need Biowares paragon system and it would have been out of place if it had it! What CDProjekt needs is Biowares media attention to spread the word about their games. If The Witcher had the press coverage of ME2 or even DA2 (so far), I have no doubt in my mind the 1.5-1.7 million units they have sold so far would be around the 3 million mark.

Ill be interested to see what the Witcher 2 does as its PC first and then coming out on 360 and PS3 after the fact. Ill be really surprised if the Witcher 2 doesnt do DA:O numbers or better based on first games sales figures and the excellent word of mouth the game gets from those that played it.

Well that's not what The Witcher is about. It's not about good and evil because Witchers are neutral. They kill monsters and stay out of other people's business. However Geralt always somehow keeps getting stuck between other people's problems and at times is forced to make decisions he shouldn't. The flashback scenes in The Witcher were there because of that as you never knew what would happen because of Geralt's actions. Think about the Bank Robbery mission, Geralt was in a situation where he simply could not use his Witcher neutrality. Or at the end of Chapter 4 where he either had to side with one of the allies or simply stay neutral as Witchers should.
It's a whole different style than ME or DAO  which are about either beign evil or a saint. Which is why The Witcher has no paragon/renegade system like ME as there really is no evil/good choices.

[Nerevar-as]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
.I guess Triss/Shani might have an effect, especially if they bring back Geralt´s girlfriend, who was Triss´s best friend.

Girlfriend? Those two were actually married together as I remember.

In a non canon tale the author made for two friends´ wedding. It was written before the main saga, and spoils some parts if you read it before the books. I think some parts almost made it into the game. From the devs talks, it seemed only the witcher who appeared in the tale was going to survived the game, but were replaced by Leo and Berengar. Would be a good possible ending for the game saga, IMHO.