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[Daur]

slimgrin wrote...

Daur wrote...

SC2 sucks balls

TW2 might be good, too early to call

DA2 might be good, too early to call

SC2 is a blatant ripoff of warhammer because blizz originally approached Games Workshop to get the right to make a warhammer 40k rts and they were turned down, so they blatantly made a ripoff

BG = D&D

DA is similar to D&D but not a ripoff


There, I just answered all the arguements on here, now let this thread die

My, how decisive of you.

Im sorry Im just pissed off after reading the SC2 praise and the odd arguement that TW2 > DA2 as both games are still in development......just tired of baseless arguements

[addiction21]

slimgrin wrote...


Here's a link to some game play illustrating combat. Skip to 4:20.



 

Looks like a great improvment over the original.  I like the idea of being able to mix the fighting styles.

Daur wrote...

just tired of baseless arguements

Odd because your making one with that StarCraft rip off crap. First know what the common baseless argument is. It is that Warcraft (the one that came first) was a Warhammer game and Games workshop pulled the plug. Second Starcraft has far more in common with StarShip troopers (books not movies) that predate WH40k by a long time. So if anything they are all ripping off of them.
Last if Dao is not a ripoff of D&D then StarCraft is most definatly not a ripoff of Warhammer 40k since those things have about as much in common.
Maybe the word people need to learn to use is inspired. Like Tolkein has been a inspiration for a lot of fantasy settings that came after his stories.

I am not going further with it. PM or start a thread in the off topic section if you want to discuss it further.

[hangmans tree]

Do not forget this thread was to compare features of of both games and answer which traits you would like to see in DA2. Stop trolling on trolling, stop insulting others, it only shows the level of your manners. That goes for both parties.



What I find tiresome is the endless discussion what is and what isnt a true rpg. Action rpg, tactical rpg, gay rpg, black and white rpg, sims or whatever. Some label games other-than-true-rpg as if it was something derogatory. Its the same as arguing the superiority of storyteling and drama in Vampire (whatever ed.) over D&D...what a nonsense. Story and immersion comes first and foremost - story/plot/fable, mechanics, rules, and other aspects go hand in hand as support for this feature. And the point is to have fun while experiencing this particular detachment called escapism. And that can be found in either/both/all.



DA2 - I'm happy there will be a VO. It adds to immersion (for me). I dont care there are no origins, I can live with that - as long as I can customize my char its ok, his rise to power will be my origin. What I want DA2 to be is a better tale than DAO storywise.



Another thing that was done better in the witcher is loot and weapons. All that crap I was dragging in my inventory to earn some...ridiculous! 90% of the combat equipement was useless junk for me. I prefer fewer items but of significance. Other (than hamstering) income would be welcomed.

[DragonRageGT]

What are you saying H.T.! There is only one true RPG and it is GOTHIC! =)))



Just kidding!! But can we imagine what kind of game would we have if we could mix the best of all those games? It's like the "perfect" lap in a F1 qualifying or race. Not one driver can get all sectors perfect. The perfect lap is what a lap would be if the best sectors mark belonged to just one driver. Gladly, they do not.



It might become a jolly boring sport. Well, more than it already is with team orders and stuff. But what I meant to say is. Diversity is great. Diversity is fun. Diversity is what makes me keep playing different games and enjoying most of them.



If they were all the same... what's the point?

[hangmans tree]

Well, I'm not voting for unification of all titles into one hybrid formula. I like diversity too you know



But most of all i like to make the effort in comlpeting the game. Its satisfaying. I do not like to be led by hand with automap and giant markers seen from miles away. Which is unfortunelly more and more common...

[hangmans tree]

Ok, sorry for what I'm about to post but its too cool not too
Press kit notes from TW2 gamescom 2010:











And latest info: after first few SPEEDRUNS TW2 is compared in lenght to TW1 - devs were surprised themselves, as they thought they made a shorter game ;D
after TW2 forums:

Brand new info here!
Blooddragon said, that first The Witcher 2 speedruns showed, that gameplay will be longer than then expect.
Nice to hear that news

[Jotun35]

Uh ! Shiny ! *o*
I was pretty eager to play TW2 but now... You've raised my expectations to a higher level hangman. I will hang you high if this game disappoint me. 

Modifié par Jotun35, 26 août 2010 - 09:45 .

[gotthammer]

 lol, nice.yeah. that gamescom video giving info about TW2's features, esp. non-linearity, was great. I loved TW1, and am excited for TW2.

there's only one clear thing, IMHO, that the DA series has over TW series:

Morrigan 
(if CD Projekt Red were to get Claudia Black as a voice actress...for, say, Yennefer...then...umm...yeah  )

Speaking of which: will Yennefer be in TW2? If so, will there be an 'epic catfight'? 

Modifié par gotthammer, 26 août 2010 - 09:49 .

[hangmans tree]

Last sentence from the press kin reads:

PS Geralt dies in TW4

loled my ass off...

[Jotun35]

gotthammer wrote...
there's only one clear thing, IMHO, that the DA series has over TW series:

Morrigan 
(if CD Projekt Red were to get Claudia Black as a voice actress...for, say, Yennefer...then...umm...yeah  )

But The Witcher has Triss... ha ! Ok it's not exactly the same kind of girl... But aren't they both manipulator ?

[DragonRageGT]

hangmans tree wrote...

Ok, sorry for what I'm about to post but its too cool not too
Press kit notes from TW2 gamescom 2010:

Thank you so much for this, H.T.!

Yeah, Dragon Age has Morrigan... and Leliana too. But The Witcher has Triss Boobs FTW!

Oh, and that "TW2 (gfx) > F:NV > DA2" - Does it mean what I think it means? Are they really mocking Bethesda and Bioware? It's about the graphics only right?

Modifié par RageGT, 26 août 2010 - 10:27 .

[hangmans tree]

BTW did you see that presentation with beer (what an unproffesional behaviour from the dev part, to treat guests with polish beer! Unthinkable!) and CTD occuring in the middle of the walkthrough? That was funny as hell, especialy when the dev equipped Geralt with dev sign or sword and guards were dying on the spot when Geralt got close to them - kind of Death God Mode.

[Cyberfrog81]

Yeah, compare it with the EA stage show with people pretending to play the games (or maybe not, but something seemed "off" about it at least), all the presenters very slick, very calculated. It is quite the contrast.


It seems that to some, direct player control over combat (as opposed to less than subtle queued dice rolls)  => action game. Thus an RPG with such control becomes an "action-RPG". If so TW2 will indeed be an action-RPG, and I for one don't have a problem with that; assuming the story is solid, the world, the choices and consequences are interesting and so on. TW2 enemies apparently don't level scale, however, which seems to imply that you can't simply go anywhere you want and expect your twitch skills to win every battle.

TW1 Geralt is premade, but the player can change who he is. Beginning of the game he has a convenient memory loss. Then, the people he meets, how he talks to them, the minor and major choices he makes etc., it can change him (and it can actually change how the player feels about things). You really need multiple playthroughs (making different choices, maybe doing some things in a different order) to fully appreciate it. 

So I don't have a problem with "Hawke" either. Hawke can be male or female, one of 3 different classes...  but where DA2 can really kick the original TW's ass is just in this area, the effects of your (including your Warden's) choices on the game world. I just hope they have enough time and resources available to make it truly fantastic.

Modifié par Cyberfrog81, 26 août 2010 - 09:46 .

[Tirigon]

Brucil wrote...


PS: Starcraft is a complete and utter ripoff of Warhammer 40k.

But StarCraft owns. Warhammer 40K is such a ridiculous sh!t I´d rather play WoW or CoD than THAT. Which is about the greatest insult I can say about a videogame.

[Tirigon]

Daur wrote...

SC2 sucks balls

Then you either have weird tastes or suck at playing. Probably both.

[Daur]

Tirigon wrote...

Daur wrote...

SC2 sucks balls

Then you either have weird tastes or suck at playing. Probably both.

Im not fond of rts games, with the exception of the total war series.

I tried playing SC2 but just did not find it interesting at all because it is such a blatant rip off of warhammer 40k (Terrans = Space Marines, Zerg hive swarm = Tyranid hive swarm, Protoss ancient elder race = Eldar ancient elder race, etc.)

Someone made a good point saying everything futureish could be said to be ripping off starship troopers BUUUT when a comany asks for rights to one of your franchises to make a game and you tell them no and THEN they go and create a game that pretty much has everything your franchise has but with a different name slapped onto it THEY RIPPED IT OFF

Plus warhammer 40k table top gaming requires MUCH more skill and planning than crappy SC2, at least I'm out playing my opponents face to face in real life instead of hiding behind a keyboard

[Drizzt ORierdan]

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Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 26 août 2010 - 10:06 .

[Wishpig]

The Witcher 2's recent gameplay videos are stellar. Buggy and incomplete, but a sign that the ultimate product will be amazing.

As for what DA could take from Witcher well... I think both games have very strong points and very noticible weak points. Both could learn from the other quite well.

The Witcher's visuals are hardly stylized, actually being very realistic. Yet the game still has a very unique look and feel about it. Dragon Age has niether... it both visually looks fairly cliche' but also just has a very been done feeling about it all. Something that is very difficult for fantasy franchises to overcome, but as the Witcher shows us, not impossible.

Thankfully DA2 will adress this.

Storywise the Witcher was good, but not nearly as great as DA's. You knew when a decision would have huge consequnces and you felt as though those few moments were the only real control you had over the story. Whether true or not, DA gave me the constant feeling I'm really effecting the world. Plus DA's story was just, well, better... deeper... and less conjointed.

Thankfully the Witcher 2 will adress this.

Long story short, both games seem to be adressing the problems of the first head on.

[gotthammer]

As much as I find the SC vs WH40k arguments amusing, y'all might like to steer it back toward the topic at hand (TW2 and DA2), lest this thread be locked by them mods.

@Wishpig:
Yup. If anything I hope DA2 has better 'atmosphere' (and that, eventually, they 'fix' that 'problem' in DA:O).
As it is, DA:O's a solid game that just needs more polish (esp. in terms of 'atmosphere'/lighting/environment)...if DA2 is a more 'polished' version of DA:O, then it should be great. 

as for TW2, I don't think I have any doubts that it, too, should be a great game. 

Modifié par gotthammer, 26 août 2010 - 10:19 .

[Daur]

gotthammer wrote...

As much as I find the SC vs WH40k arguments amusing, y'all might like to steer it back toward the topic at hand (TW2 and DA2), lest this thread be locked by them mods.

Im sorry, I just cant stand it when the brain dead starcraft fans don't accept that their game is a blatant rip off.

More on topic, to be honest TW and TW2 are of a genre Im less inclined to play than DA2 is

the gameplay of DA2 appeals to me more than TW2's does

that being said they both look good in their own ways and Im sure we will see a repeat of DA:O and TW in sales (NA will have higher DA2 sales while europe will have higher TW2 sales)

[Braag]

Daur wrote...

Plus warhammer 40k table top gaming requires MUCH more skill and planning than crappy SC2, at least I'm out playing my opponents face to face in real life instead of hiding behind a keyboard

Really? That's the best you could come up with? Just reading that gave me this awkward feeling as if you're actually being serious or not.
Ok so you have a grudge against StarCraft 2 because the races in it are similar to WH40K. But do understand that it is a RTS game so if you want to compare it to something you should be comparing it to the WH40K Dawn of War 1/2 RTS games which are not nearly as popular and well received as SC games. Also I find it curious that you say you don't like RTS and so you bash them.... are you really this ignorant? So since I don't like sports games should I start blindly bashing them?
Seriously man, you might wanna think over your motives and what you say since they don't do whole lot of sense and it makes you sound really fanboyish.

Modifié par Braag, 26 août 2010 - 11:00 .

[Daur]

Braag wrote...

Daur wrote...

Plus warhammer 40k table top gaming requires MUCH more skill and planning than crappy SC2, at least I'm out playing my opponents face to face in real life instead of hiding behind a keyboard

Really? That's the best you could come up with? Just reading that gave me this awkward feeling as if you're actually being serious or not.
Ok so you have a grudge against StarCraft 2 because the races in it are similar to WH40K. But do understand that it is a RTS game so if you want to compare it to something you should be comparing it to the WH40K Dawn of War 1/2 RTS games which are not nearly as popular and well received as SC games. Also I find it curious that you say you don't like RTS and so you bash them.... are you really this ignorant? So since I don't like sports games should I start blindly bashing them?
Seriously man, you might wanna think over your motives and what you say since they don't do whole lot of sense and it makes you sound really fanboyish.

I hate SC because everyone seems to praise it as this awesome messiah of games when it is a blatant rip off, i mean the fact blizz request warhammer 40k rights, got denied, then made a copy pasted version just pisses me off because they had the nerve to do such a thing.

I only hate SC, other rts games Im fine with so I dont see where you got that whole "I HATE TEH RTS RAWR" from.

[Tirigon]

Daur wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Daur wrote...

SC2 sucks balls

Then you either have weird tastes or suck at playing. Probably both.

Im not fond of rts games, with the exception of the total war series.

I tried playing SC2 but just did not find it interesting at all because it is such a blatant rip off of warhammer 40k (Terrans = Space Marines, Zerg hive swarm = Tyranid hive swarm, Protoss ancient elder race = Eldar ancient elder race, etc.)

Someone made a good point saying everything futureish could be said to be ripping off starship troopers BUUUT when a comany asks for rights to one of your franchises to make a game and you tell them no and THEN they go and create a game that pretty much has everything your franchise has but with a different name slapped onto it THEY RIPPED IT OFF

Plus warhammer 40k table top gaming requires MUCH more skill and planning than crappy SC2, at least I'm out playing my opponents face to face in real life instead of hiding behind a keyboard

Ok you DO have weird tasteB)

I can´t get what´s fun about tabletops. No offense.

[In Exile]

hangmans tree wrote...

Another thing that was done better in the witcher is loot and weapons. All that crap I was dragging in my inventory to earn some...ridiculous! 90% of the combat equipement was useless junk for me. I prefer fewer items but of significance. Other (than hamstering) income would be welcomed.

It had a lot of sense to it. You had one pouch for your alchemical components which could stack to 50 (a very nice touch) and your potion stacks that could stack to ten. It was actually a hybrid of the DA:O list and inventory tetris, because it did use the stack, but also gave you a graphical interface.

If you count the number of slots you have, there is still a decent 40+ for items and 40+ for alchemical components.