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[Gammalfarmor]

To be honest I really don't know why this thread exists. The Witcher and Dragon Age are two epic games but they are different. As games should be.

[Nerevar-as]

Stillwater wrote...

I wasn't a fan of the Witcher's choice and consequence, actually. Most of the time, you had to choose between one option that was horrible, one that was awful, and one that was terrible. In the end, it all amounted to pretty much the same story, just with different people on different sides. This isn't a 'grey moral dillema', it's just being forced to pick between 3 different shades of black. I found it boring, frustrating, and actually quite linear.

It is just the world Geralt lives in. It´s somethig quite faithful to the books, and it shows pretty well that both sides of the war are bad even if they have valid points. Only reason it is not more depressing is there is much humor (of the dark kind) around.

Reason both games get compared is probably because they are the more significant examples of games with dark fantasy setting and mature content, though there is definetely room for improvement in the latter department in both games.

[tez19]

never played played the witcher seen a trailer for witcher 2 and what i want from witcher 2 in DA2 are SWORD SHEATHS!!!!!!!

Modifié par tez19, 08 septembre 2010 - 10:05 .

[Stillwater]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Stillwater wrote...

I wasn't a fan of the Witcher's choice and consequence, actually. Most of the time, you had to choose between one option that was horrible, one that was awful, and one that was terrible. In the end, it all amounted to pretty much the same story, just with different people on different sides. This isn't a 'grey moral dillema', it's just being forced to pick between 3 different shades of black. I found it boring, frustrating, and actually quite linear.

It is just the world Geralt lives in. It´s somethig quite faithful to the books, and it shows pretty well that both sides of the war are bad even if they have valid points. Only reason it is not more depressing is there is much humor (of the dark kind) around.

True. But a book and a game are two very different things. A book is linear, and you take it in passively, for what it is. A game is interactive, and you are made to make choices. Especially in The Witcher, where a massive amount of fuss was made about the "multiple endings" and "living with the consequences of your choices" and so on. It's like the game went out of its way to boast about how non-linear it was, but in the end it was just a linear experience poorly disguised. I actually have no problem with linear games (Half Life 2 is completely linear and I wouldn't have it any other way), but The Witcher felt like it failed to deliver on its own promise.

[Stillwater]

Gammalfarmor wrote...

To be honest I really don't know why this thread exists. The Witcher and Dragon Age are two epic games but they are different. As games should be.

No game is an island. The reason we have such good games nowadays is because they stand on the shoulders of the games that came before them, borrowing, adapting and reinventing various bits and pieces from them.

Dragon Age 2 will inevitably borrow many things from many games, whether anyone likes it or not. This thread simply asks the question "Should it borrow some things from The Witcher, and if so, what?".

[AlanC9]

Stillwater wrote...
True. But a book and a game are two very different things. A book is linear, and you take it in passively, for what it is. A game is interactive, and you are made to make choices. Especially in The Witcher, where a massive amount of fuss was made about the "multiple endings" and "living with the consequences of your choices" and so on. It's like the game went out of its way to boast about how non-linear it was, but in the end it was just a linear experience poorly disguised. I actually have no problem with linear games (Half Life 2 is completely linear and I wouldn't have it any other way), but The Witcher felt like it failed to deliver on its own promise.

You seem to be talking about a conflict between linearity and consequences. I don't see how they have much to do with each other. What am I missing?

[Zan Mura]

Witcher was a good game, but in all honesty it doesn't compare with BW's games. Too much hassling with pointless issues what with the mediocre combat gameplay, constant running around to sell stuff for your inventory being WAY too small, and in general while the dialogue was good, they just weren't AS good, nor the characters even nearly AS interesting as BW's.

It's hard to point out really. The Witcher was the only RPG that's come close to the style I so love with BW games. And while its obvious maturity and lack of refinement had some advantages, it just didn't feel polished, complete and simply all in all enjoyable enough to quite compare. The fact that I typically prefer my protagonists to be female didn't help Witcher's case any.

[fantasypisces]

I couldn't get more than 2 hours into the Witcher because I just absolutely despised the combat. Jump Slash Slash Slash, Jump Slash Slash Slash. I figured that was just a result of being low level so I youtubed higher level fighting... it was the same thing just a different "stance".



So yeah, I could not get into the Witcher. I constantly hear it had a good story, good characters, good dialogue, etc... but the combat was just so freaking terrible.

[hangmans tree]

I just red about the skill trees in DA2, more and more they resemble TW system I think. Peter Thomas even speaks of talent points distribution...

[Damariel]

hmmm yes... new interview (29 min) ... so look if you are interested.



In English language

Modifié par Damariel, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:54 .

[Damariel]

yes... here is new combat ... for people who don't care about that Geralt will be just fight....for people who want something more there will be skils mentioned by Tom Gop... well time will tell what will come out.

I just want great story in TW2 ... nothing more....

Modifié par Damariel, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:18 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Zan Mura wrote...

Witcher was a good game, but in all honesty it doesn't compare with BW's games. Too much hassling with pointless issues what with the mediocre combat gameplay, constant running around to sell stuff for your inventory being WAY too small, and in general while the dialogue was good, they just weren't AS good, nor the characters even nearly AS interesting as BW's.

One mistake peopel have is rying to play game A the same way they play game B. It doesn't work that way. I loved the fact that the Witchers inventory was so small.
You have to abandon the pack rat mentality and think like a real adventurer...what you dont' need, you leave behind. not that there were amny usefull things to pick up in the first place - which was also good. Magic items were a rarity.

[DarthCaine]

The only BioWare games that are better than The Witcher are KOTOR and ME2. Though, The Witcher is only slightly better than DAO (check out my post on the first page)

So far, The Witcher 2 looks faaaar better than DA2 or DAO (check out the walkthrough on GameTrailers)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:38 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

HERESY!!!!!!



BG2 beats anything...ANYTHING. Even Chuck Norris!

[DarthCaine]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

HERESY!!!!!!

BG2 beats anything...ANYTHING. Even Chuck Norris!

Barely any voice acting kills the experince for me. I never finished BG, but I did finish PS: T and Fallout, and even though PS:T probably has the best RPG story ever (ok, maybe not as good as KOTOR's), it's still below my top 10 RPGs 'cos it wasn't in the least bit immersive due to the barely any voice acting part (I felt I've gone deaf while playing it). If it was ever remade it would definitely be in my top 5. The story and the characters were the only thing that kept me coming back, everything else sucked

IMO most of you love BG so much 'cos of nostalgia, and it was probably your first RPG. I really doubt anyone that played ME, KOTOR or DAO before BG would say it's better

Modifié par DarthCaine, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:43 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

It's not nostaliga. As I've said, I played it a few months ago. It's very fresh in my memory.



Hm..you said you never finished BG1..how about BG2? Ever tried that one? BG2 has a lot more voice-acting, but for the most part only the most important lines are voice-acted. And it works. You know how a character sounds and can fill in the blanks yourself.



I also never understood the need for a full VO for immersion. After all, books have no sound at all and I can get immersed easily.

[DarthCaine]

I do read books, but it's not the same when I'm staring at a monitor (even in PS:T I just scanned through the text and skipped some of it). I never play sequels if I haven't finished the first part, so I've only played like 10 min of BG2

Modifié par DarthCaine, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:29 .

[Faz432]

Damariel wrote...

hmmm yes... new interview (29 min) ... so look if you are interested.



In English language

Wow they've taken constructive critism from the presentation on board and are going to change the game accordingly!!? (female tourture boobs), that's pretty impressive. Everything I've heard about TW2 has been awesome tbf and I think it's very impressive that they're having a non-transitional open world without having to compromise on great graphics or story as some people would have us believe is nessersary.

I've not played TW1 but soley based on what I'm seeing from TW2 I'm definitley getting it soon.

Modifié par Faz432, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:39 .

[Dreadstruck]

Seems like you don't have much of an imagination Caine. And no, I discovered the BG series in 2006 and loved it. So there goes the nostalgia shtick, we are not some old coots playing HOM&M1 every day.

[DarthCaine]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Seems like you don't have much of an imagination Caine.

Like I said, I read books, but a game isn't supposed to be like a book.

Comparing BG to DAO is like comparing a text adventure to The Curse of Monkey Island. In other words the former is outdated and boring

Modifié par DarthCaine, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:15 .

[Dreadstruck]

It wasn't like a book. Or maybe the walls of text didn't bothered me since I read much faster.



Are you telling me you haven't noticed the other stuff in the game? I mean the relationship system was something entirely new and almost unheard of. It was incredible, from the simple companions to the so called 'love interest'. It was all incredibly interesting, and to think this was only one facet of the gameplay. There were still quests, an epic storyline and classes to level. And I've only ever seen Bioware achieve this mix. Bethesda and Blizzard coming close, but not quite there.

[DarthCaine]

A story means nothing if it isn't presented in a good way. Just look at Avatar, it isn't the best selling movie of all time 'cos of it's the story, it's the presentation that matters.



Like I said, the only good things in PS:T were the story and characters, everything else sucked