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[Faz432]

Faz432 wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Damariel wrote...

hmmm yes... new interview (29 min) ... so look if you are interested.



In English language

Wow they've taken constructive critism from the presentation on board and are going to change the game accordingly!!? (female tourture boobs), that's pretty impressive. Everything I've heard about TW2 has been awesome tbf and I think it's very impressive that they're having a non-transitional open world without having to compromise on great graphics or story as some people would have us believe is nessersary.

I've not played TW1 but soley based on what I'm seeing from TW2 I'm definitley getting it soon.

Right it's on it's way getting the enhanched edition - platinum for less than £10.

I'll let you all know my first impressions and my thoughts as I play it in comparison to DA:O if you like.

Right got it yesterday and here are my 1st impressions of the game -

Epic!, absolutely epic!

I didn't know that this was built with Bioware's engine either, so any comparisons between the games are completly fair.

You play a Warden Witcher called Garelt who is pretty much a badass, in the opening scene he battles some wierd were-monster type thing with hardly breaking a sweat.

You end up in a castle which is basically the tutorial level which is fun and sets the start of the story. I could see what eveyone was saying about the combat, I didn't know whether I was attacking or not at first but you do get to perform a death move if you stun the enemy which is great. Good graphics and dialogue, everyone is VA.

The castle seem large and quite realistic. You find out you've lost your memory, presumed dead and learn a bit about the Witchers. At this point a few things started to sound familiar.. The Wardens Witchers are an order that dedicates itself to fighting Darkspawn Monsters, you have to go through a special ritual to become one, in which there is a risk of death.

Next bit I arrive in a small village and meet a red headed Elf called Shani but my god it's awesome!! we have day/night cycles, we have weather and the people in the village respond to it!!!! For example, if it's raining, they will run for cover and huddle under shelters and even comment on it raining!! you have animals like birds, dogs and some wierd monkey type thing...no horses yet though . It just feels like a real village. Graphics again are great, being able to watch the sun go down over a river is pretty awesome. Oh and I can wade in the water!!

Have to do some quite in depth questing here, some quite polictical and
already decisions I made in the tutorial level have been mentioned,
quite a frustrating boss fight. I'm starting to get a grip of the combat system now.

Inventory is very good, you get a satchel for normal stuff and a satchel for alchemy which don't hold a unrealistic amount of items. Alchemy is done by collecting ingredients from directly for plants in the world, which again is pretty awesome.

All weapons have to be carried on your person, 2 on your back and 2 by your sides, 1 of which has to be small. So you can't just horde all the weapons bandits drop.

Overall I just think it's absolutely brilliant so far, it just feels right, everything I had in my head of what DA needs ( realistic semi open world, day/night cycles, weather, villagers who react to the world and you,) the list goes on really. If you haven't played it you're missing out. seriously!

Which makes me think, this was all done with Bioware's engine, so when people ask why DA can't be more open world with more enviromental features and people come back and argue that the game would suffer, well those excuses don't hold any weight with me anymore tbh cos it's been done and looks like it's going to be improved upon in TW2.

One thing in DA2's favor I've found since playing TW is that I really don't mind having a set, voiced PC as much as I thought I would.

Modifié par Faz432, 18 septembre 2010 - 12:22 .

[Inverness Moon]

TW2 wont be using BioWare's engine, they're building their own, and seem to be doing a damn good job of it.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Welp, I found myself in the employ of a little extra cash so I bit the bullet and bought the BG 4-in-1 pack and The Witcher off of Amazon, having never touched either set of games. Guess I'll see what all the hubbub is about. Also bought the Fallout 1+2+Tactics pack, along with 3. Have played 3, but lost my copy ages ago. Only 20 bucks now.

Probably should've grabbed Jade Empire (Only 5 bucks!), thought about KotOR and Planescape but I guess they're pretty rare because they're both going for 80 bucks a pop brand new.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 18 septembre 2010 - 01:38 .

[DPB]

The cheapest way of getting KOTOR is Steam, it's £6.99 there ($10 probably).

[DaringMoosejaw]

dbankier wrote...

The cheapest way of getting KOTOR is Steam, it's £6.99 there ($10 probably).

Really? Thanks for the tip. Planescape'd be the toughie, then.

[DaringMoosejaw]

slimgrin wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Welp, I found myself in the employ of a little extra cash so I bit the bullet and bought the BG 4-in-1 pack and The Witcher off of Amazon, having never touched either set of games. Guess I'll see what all the hubbub is about. Also bought the Fallout 1+2+Tactics pack, along with 3. Have played 3, but lost my copy ages ago. Only 20 bucks now.

Probably should've grabbed Jade Empire (Only 5 bucks!), thought about KotOR and Planescape but I guess they're pretty rare because they're both going for 80 bucks a pop brand new.

I might get Fallout 2 from Gog.com one of these days. I'm too busy with Divine Divinity right now, and I just bought Free Space 2 which looks really cool.

Damn, I'm addicted. These older pc games are just too cheap to pass up.  

The BG pack was 15 bucks on Amazon, brand new. Fallout pack had 1+2+Tactics, little over 13 bucks, new. Downside is I have to wait, but this is quality for the money to be certain. I missed a lot of good games while I was screwing around with MUDs and RTS's at the turn of the century.

[Ariella]

Shiroukai wrote...

I'm pretty sure a lot of you RPG lovers have played The Witcher as well, and found its likes and dislikes about it.
What I would like to know of you guys though, is which elements of The Witcher you would like to see in Dragon Age 2.

As for me, I really liked the realistic mature aspect of the game. When people badmouthed someone, it was really badmouthing and not just some child friendly calling someone a cheese head. Dirty allys had not only thugs, but prostitutes as well. And some people didn't mind showing some skin here and there.

Other then that I really liked the choice and consequence that happened between chapters (heard it will be implemented in DA II as well, but I would still like to point that one out).

Sometimes choosing lesser evil because there were no good.

Night/Day rotation, with their added effects.

The language I could do without. Maturity doesn't require the f bomb every 5 minutes. Day/Night rotation is a pain in the butt. I enjoyed the Witcher and everal other games that have it but honestly, it's boring to have to sleep a certain amount of time to get to what happens next.

Honestly, I'd much rather see Dragon Age continue to develope its own idenity rather than borrow from other games.

[Bryy_Miller]

Faz432 wrote...
Which makes me think, this was all done with Bioware's engine, so when people ask why DA can't be more open world with more enviromental features and people come back and argue that the game would suffer, well those excuses don't hold any weight with me anymore tbh cos it's been done and looks like it's going to be improved upon in TW2.

Just because they share the same engine does not mean that a feature in one game would work at all in another game. There's no "Open World" feature within the engine that the devs can click and it automatically fits into the game design.

DA would suffer with an open world because it is not a sandbox game. It's story-centric. As well, the leveling system is basically 1-2 levels per quest, with a hard cap of Level 25. So having an open world would completely unblance that. When you look a Bethesda game, yeah, it's open world, but it gets incredibly boring after you've maxed everything out.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 18 septembre 2010 - 02:39 .

[shootist70]

Wyndham711 wrote...

I agree about what slimgrin said earlier in that Witcher 2 is bordering on unbelievable in its ambition. I have bad experience of unreigned ambition, it doesn't tend to bring in good results. In comparison BioWare seems to have an extremely tangible, believable, effective set of added goals for DA2. 1.) Try new things with the framed narrative and the personality system 2.) Create a more distinct graphical style 3.) Make the combat more responsive.

You're looking at different approaches here. Bioware aren't being 'realistic'. Much as i like them, they're doing what large, corporate, non-independant devs do - they play it safe. They don't go out on a limb or get experimental, their publishers would throw fits if their puppet devs even thought of such a thing.

It's left to the indy devs to get experimental and to see if they can make it work commercially. If they can make it happen, and find a viable market,  you'll then see the corporate devs and their big publishers cash in and do it bigger and better some time later...usually by replicating most of what the indy devs did in the first place, but with much more publicity.

Doesn't always work that way, but it often does.

Modifié par shootist70, 18 septembre 2010 - 02:52 .

[Wyndham711]

shootist70 wrote...

You're looking at different approaches here. Bioware aren't being 'realistic'. Much as i like them, they're doing what large, corporate, non-independant devs do - they play it safe. They don't go out on a limb or get experimental, their publishers would throw fits if their puppet devs even thought of such a thing.

I feel any developer who makes an epic, story driven RPG can't be blamed about lack of ambition or playing it safe. No one makes RPGs if they want to play safe, it's such a demanding genre where you really can mess things up by letting your ambition run rampant. The point is, I think BioWare has set much more realistic goals for their sequel than CD-Project has. That isn't to say BioWare isn't trying to cover new ground - I have never seen anyone tackle PC personality in the way they are attempting to, for instance. Now I guess CD-Project succeeding in their goals isn't impossible, it's just very hard to believe they will.

[Damariel]

Wyndham711 wrote...

shootist70 wrote...

You're looking at different approaches here. Bioware aren't being 'realistic'. Much as i like them, they're doing what large, corporate, non-independant devs do - they play it safe. They don't go out on a limb or get experimental, their publishers would throw fits if their puppet devs even thought of such a thing.

I feel any developer who makes an epic, story driven RPG can't be blamed about lack of ambition or playing it safe. No one makes RPGs if they want to play safe, it's such a demanding genre where you really can mess things up by letting your ambition run rampant. The point is, I think BioWare has set much more realistic goals for their sequel than CD-Project has. That isn't to say BioWare isn't trying to cover new ground - I have never seen anyone tackle PC personality in the way they are attempting to, for instance. Now I guess CD-Project succeeding in their goals isn't impossible, it's just very hard to believe they will.

yes but you forget about one little thing ... new engine of the game. 

[SirShreK]

I am just wondering. How many other Indie developers have actually contributed as much as CDproject? Perhaps bioware in BG.. but then who else has done this and LIVED to tell the tale? Troika for example did Vampire, and Arcanum. Black isle did Fallout and ID. They are GONE!

[DPB]

I wouldn't really call CD Projekt Red an indie. I mean, they're a division of the biggest games distributor in central Europe, just as Black Isle were a division of their publisher Interplay.

[hangmans tree]

That is right, they are not an idie developer. Tey had much exp. running the localizations for games they were publishing since the early nineties. Only then they took a leap of faith and made The Witcher.
They can look like one but I think they have a really steady base of operations. Its CDProjekt, CDProjekt RED, GOG.com and they even merged with another studio some time ago - Metropolis. They have the power to do some good in this world ;D

I really do want them to pull this off, believe me. But good god, its like they are trying to do Oblivion, Mass Effect, and TW1 all wrapped up in one package.

So, where's the problem?

What I'm really intereested now (past TW2) are other projects that had put on hold. CDP were up to revolutionizing FPP genre. As I imagine it would be like merging TW plot and storywise with a AAA shooter game (called "THEY"). I really want them to show what they can do...and experience the tale imagine the depth and cinematic experience of a RPG with FPP game. Some rumors say that a renowed polish sci-fi novelist is/was working on the story (and if it is who I think it is I am in awe ).

Modifié par hangmans tree, 18 septembre 2010 - 12:51 .

[shootist70]

dbankier wrote...

I wouldn't really call CD Projekt Red an indie. I mean, they're a division of the biggest games distributor in central Europe, just as Black Isle were a division of their publisher Interplay.

They both develop and publish the Witcher games, so that makes them independant. Although I guess they do have a fair amount of resources, although you have to wonder just how big 'the biggest distributor of PC games in central europe' is . But that's not really the point - independant creative vision is.

[hangmans tree]

slimgrin wrote...
You can find footage of "They" on youtube. Looks like survival horror FPS. Meh....theres enough of those I think. It was the joint project between CDP and Metropolis software, who they merged with. Wisely, they put it on hold and pooled all resources for TW2. Which means Metropolis team is now on TW2 team, I would presume.

I know, but the game was completely revamped and rehauled as was claimed. Now it barely resambles the project it was before studios merged.  So I'm psyched for the future, I defenitely need something like sci-fi / cyberpunk FPP RPG [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

[Cyberfrog81]

Well, I'm a bit worried the story won't measure up to the story in the first one, despite Tom Gop's claims. And while there is time to improve on it, the animations (facial expressions etc.) are really dull in the material they've shown; making the voice acting seem worse than it is, too. Maybe I've posted that before, but it's damn important... I really don't care how (not) "indie" they are or whether it's the "best-looking RPG" on screenshot comparisons - I care about story and the overall gameplay experience.



By contrast (sort of), with BioWare I'm almost 95% sure we will get a well-written story with excellently voiced characters. Some concern about the very short development time seems warranted though.