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[Mihura]

I liked some aspects of The Witcher like the moral choices and the alchemy and I even like the combat. Overall the story is pretty good I love the books and the game was really well done but the sex cards and the way Triss dressed was just ridiculous and it was a huge let down to me, even the devs knew and that is why there is no just thing in the second game.

I don't have a problem with Geralt being the lady's man but the cards are just wrong and should not had been there in the first place.

[DragonRageGT]

Merkar wrote...

Olha que não. É uma questão de te habituares.

But can't you get SC2 US edition directly from Battle.net?

Tuga rulez, Brazuca tb!

I have someone bringing me the US version when he flies back to Brazil within the next couple of days. I didn't get the "region warning" though. I'm no sure whether with the US version I won't be able to join the L. America server at all or if because my location I will only be able to join the L. America server despite having the US version.

Either way it sucks because what made Starcraft/BW so cool is that we could challenge the world every night. Specially around '98 World Cup it was awesome to play against teams from all countries that faced Brazil in the Cup. Seeing how we lost the final match, the French invaded BRA-1 and trashed us good. Until we beated them 5x2 in Starcraft and they got back to their channel with their tail between their legs, as we say here.

But it was also a lot of fun to challenge Koreans and Americans teams! GT ruled them all! =)

I really don't understand why Bioware retrocessed this much with their games. If anything made BG and NWN a lot greater than two already great games titles, it was the multiplayer option, specially in NWN with extraordinary Permanent Worlds. True, there were Elves and Orcs and Dwarves in most of them. But there were pretty creative stories too. And even some trivialized setting like Tolkien's Arda became alive and with role players of the top quality, in appropriate RP servers, which I really doubt that can happen in any MMO only because the number of players will be way higher than DM's can follow and warn when OOC'ing or Metagaming.

I wouldn't even know what is RP if there were no NWN mplayer Permanent Worlds. Took me a while to get used to it and stop my bad habits of OOC'ing or Metagaming. But in time I could manage to play my role and I liked it so much that I even learned some Sindarin to add some flavour.

If Dragon Age had it, I doubt I would keep playing the OC again and again. Dinamic Permanent Worlds are a lot more fun. But MMO's are anything but RPG's so I'm out of those.

[DragonRageGT]

Saibh wrote...

I...just downloaded the game from Steam and now am about to play. I wasn't going to get it, but plenty of people here seemed to like it, and I heard BioWare recommended it, so...

Off I go to get a validated opinion on the matter!

If you feel that the Over The Shoulder camera is a bit ackward and have some experience with games like BG, NWN and alike, try changing to Isometric/Isonomic, whatever it is called (F2-F3 keys). It will be a lot more familiar and fun for the first run.

[the_one_54321]

RageGT wrote...
I have someone bringing me the US version when he flies back to Brazil within the next couple of days.

I don't suppose your friend is studying for a doctorate in a border city in the southwest of USA?

[Lux]

Mihura wrote...

I don't have a problem with Geralt being
the lady's man but the cards are just wrong and should not had been
there in the first place.

Olha que não. É uma questão de... errr... nevermind... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

RageGT wrote...
Tuga rulez, Brazuca tb!

I have someone bringing me the US version when he flies back to Brazil within the next couple of days. I didn't get the "region warning" though.

FTW!

With SC2 I hope the region setup is less restrictive than it has been with WoW, which makes you buy different versions if you want to play in other regions.

Yeah... the multiplayer in NWN was an awesome component with the permanent worlds. Nowadays, with MMO's and DLC's, a toolset may not even come out with the reinvented version of Dragon Age. Let's see if true expansions aren't a dying breed as well.

How about that Witcher? Great ideas being met here! (and that was my crude attempt at staying on topic)

[Saibh]

RageGT wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I...just downloaded the game from Steam and now am about to play. I wasn't going to get it, but plenty of people here seemed to like it, and I heard BioWare recommended it, so...

Off I go to get a validated opinion on the matter!

If you feel that the Over The Shoulder camera is a bit ackward and have some experience with games like BG, NWN and alike, try changing to Isometric/Isonomic, whatever it is called (F2-F3 keys). It will be a lot more familiar and fun for the first run.

Thank you. I was wondering about that, and it was getting just a tad bit irritating. Much better now.

[Wynne]

Crippledcarny wrote...

My problem isn't that they exist but that they're done in a very poor fashion. People in the game will have unrealistic sex with you, some times even as a reward for a quest. How many of you women out there felt like ****ing the bag boy becuse he helped you to your car?

If I had been in an arranged marriage to an ugly, bad-breathed creep who verbally abused me and I couldn't get out of it, and then a friendly bag boy with a nice butt and the only protection from STDs and pregnancy came along, I might "reward" him (AND me) by jumping his hot bones. But only if I was truly attracted to him and truly miserable in a marriage I didn't choose, or my husband had cheated on me and divorce wasn't allowed, or some such extenuating circumstance in a crapsack world like that one. Then again, the common Witcher-realm citizen IS truly miserable in their everyday life, and not all the women Geralt slept with were married; some were just young and frisky and looking to experiment with somebody safely. It's almost a sexual liberation happening in medieval times thing--Witchers are walking birth control.

Once I realized that, I felt a bit less like the rampant sex was offensive or lame--for these women, Geralt is like an exotic-looking rock star with a monopoly on condoms. So the situations themselves weren't so awful.

The trading mechanic and the cards, on the other hand, were indeed laughable and pathetic, but they're not doing them for the sequel; CD Projekt has already said so. There will be sex, but only the high-minded kind, no cards and no lame game mechanics.

Mecha Tengu wrote...

the same tolkien esque crap featuring good vs evil
elves, dwarves, orcs darkspawn, trolls nvm they are alternatively called ogres. Medieval, Sword, shield, dragons, magic, blah blah blah.

Sorry, but how the hell does a Canadian developer following some of the standards set by an English writer make an RPG "Americanized"? Black Isle, a Californian developer, was responsible for the first two Fallout games and for Planescape: Torment, neither of which was Tolkienesque. Even Bethesda wasn't too bad if you looked hard enough at their lore, what with the cat people and lizard people and daedra and Morrowind's environs. Plus, it's not like The Witcher didn't have elves and dwarves and gnomes and all of that--the concepts by themselves aren't bad. Neither did DAO do nothing to make the culture of dwarves and elves more interesting. Tolkien dwarves and elves only share superficial similarities to those in DAO.

I fully agree that Bioware should've been more innovative with Ferelden, that they played it too safe in a number of ways, but "American" DAO ain't, and the Witcher isn't free of Tolkienisms either.

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Witcher was good. Instead of
deciding to hug a cat or throw it into a fire, you have many morally
ambigious choices that actually affect the storyline instead of
affecting what a character(s) will say to you.
Also you could have full blown secks many times which is always a win.
The lack of character customization did suck though

Agreed on the moral non-dilemmas. I always found doing stuff for THE EVULZ to be pathetic, the kind of thing only 14-year-old boys who call themselves TH_DARK_LORD _RA\\/INBL00DKILL0R like to do. If you really, really gain something substantial, then sure. But if it's just to go, "MWAHAHAHA!" then it's just stupid. Mass Effect did morals better. Big picture vs. small picture. Save the frightened hostages you have a connection with vs. sacrifice them to make sure the bad guy can't do worse in the future. Alpha Protocol did all right as well. Save the person you know and care for, or a bunch of strangers.

You could have full blown sex in DAO, too, except it could be with men as well as women, and you didn't get a ****** playing card with OMGBEWBIES on it that made you feel half insulted, half ashamed to be a gamer nerd, and possibly annoyed due to not having the chance to see Yaevinn in the same sort of position. I can't help being straight, so none of the cards in TW1 even gave me a cheap thrill which for some was probably the sole justification for them in most players' book. Thankfully, Geralt and his main squeeze are bathing naked together in the sequel. It will probably be on the mature side, but in an actually mature way. Natural instead of gimmicky.

Celticon wrote...

One thing in the Witcher that I found
more intriguing were the factions. I found the conspiracy of Salamandra,
The Order, and the Scoiatael more interesting than the warring factions
(Grey Wardens, Loghain, Harrowmont/Bhelen, Dalish) in Dragon Age - but
that's because in the Witcher, fighting generic evil monsters and
saving the world wasn't the main goal.

Not saying that DA:O's
plot wasn't good, but the involvement with the major groups became
oversimplified towards doing favors, killing monsters, and getting the
treaties honored,

I so completely agree. You hit the nail on the head right there. I was hoping for less linearity throughout the game. It's part of why I like the ten year storyline for DA2; you'll maybe see the impact the Warden had better than before, and get the opportunity to make more substantial choices.

The Witcher's bleakness and moments of well-meaning attempted heroism and other themes were woven seamlessly together throughout, whereas with DAO it seemed like--sunshine, sunshine, sunshine, BLOOD! Sunshine, sunshine, sunshine, GOOOOOOORE!!! Sunshine, sunshine, BETRAYAL AND DEATH! Sunshine, sunshine, YOUR LOVE INTEREST IS LEAVING YOU AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THEM SEE REASON! It seemed... inconsistent. Like it wasn't sure whether it wanted to be classic high fantasy or dark fantasy. Synergy and consistency of tone are so important--in The Witcher, I felt like the art, the music, the atmosphere, and the story were all making sweet, sweet love to each other. In DAO, I felt that a little, but much less. The Witcher gelled excellently in terms of the tone, the mood.

With DAO, I felt like the intent was "don't reinvent the wheel." But what it actually became, to me, was "in some cases we knew how to balance things to make it awesome, and in other cases we fumbled badly." Like putting Marilyn Manson and 30 Seconds to Mars alongside Inon Zur. The consistency, the cohesion wasn't there; it was random and jarring in places. I felt as if Awakening got much closer to what I'd hoped for in a number of ways, which is an encouraging sign.

DAO was the first in the series; there's a lot more potential to Thedas than we saw in that game; the novels Gaider wrote hinted at it. As much as I loved DAO, I think Bioware can do better now that they've had a chance to see the best and worst of the original, now that Ferelden's story has been told.

The Witcher had a beloved author's legacy behind it. The developers wanted to live up to that legacy. I'd like to see Dragon Age become more like that now that they're shaking off the "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" label. I want to see where they can go with this and what happens when they take the gloves off.

Saibh wrote...

I...just downloaded the game from Steam and
now am about to play. I wasn't going to get it, but plenty of people
here seemed to like it, and I heard BioWare recommended it, so...

Off I go to get a validated opinion on the matter!

Awesomeness!  I hope you enjoy it! Just make sure you get the fully patched version--I  wouldassume the Enhanced Edition is all they sell now, though. It was vastly superior. Love that they didn't force people who'd already bought the game to pay for the new voice acting and fixed translations and removed bugs and lower load times.

Mihura wrote...

I don't have a problem with
Geralt being the lady's man but the cards are just wrong and should not
had been there in the first place.

Yeah, anybody who tries to defend the cards with more than "I like looking at pretty ladies" is kidding themselves. But at least the developers realized it was ridiculous and won't be doing it again.

[Saibh]

Wynne wrote..

Awesomeness!  I hope you enjoy it! Just make sure you get the fully patched version--I  wouldassume the Enhanced Edition is all they sell now, though. It was vastly superior. Love that they didn't force people who'd already bought the game to pay for the new voice acting and fixed translations and removed bugs and lower load times.

Why, thank you. What was the voice acting like before, then?

[Khayness]

Most awesome wall of text in a loooong time.

[DragonRageGT]

Wynne wrote...

Mihura wrote...

I don't have a problem with
Geralt being the lady's man but the cards are just wrong and should not had been there in the first place.

Yeah, anybody who tries to defend the cards with more than "I like looking at pretty ladies" is kidding themselves. But at least the developers realized it was ridiculous and won't be doing it again.

When it has a context it can fit perfectly in a game. Like in Gothic 2 which made me ROFLMAO today. I really didn't remember that part but when you help some young novice who's being blackmailed in a Monastery and retrieve his stolen "papers"... if you check them out they turn to be a "farewell" letter from his buddies when he left for the Monastery and a "Pic of a Nude Girl" which turns out to be awesomely drawn btw. It was really funny! As it is with some of the paintings in the walls in a Castle there. Those guys at PBytes can't drawn a female model to save their lives, not in the Gothic games anyway, but they did a terrific job with the paitings and that true "picture of a nude girl".

I didn't mind it at all in The Witcher because the girls in the cards are a lot more beautiful than the game models which are pretty generic and repetitive, except for Shani and Tess. Shani's cutscene is a lot hotter than her card!

[DragonRageGT]

Saibh wrote...

Wynne wrote..

Awesomeness!  I hope you enjoy it! Just make sure you get the fully patched version--I  wouldassume the Enhanced Edition is all they sell now, though. It was vastly superior. Love that they didn't force people who'd already bought the game to pay for the new voice acting and fixed translations and removed bugs and lower load times.

Why, thank you. What was the voice acting like before, then?

It had some awful acting and many silent parts or voice not matching the written subtitles. The Enhanced Edition had all the lines re-recorded with very good attention to the details this time. Plus the original release could hardly run, with many bugs, memory leaks, absurd loading times, stuff like that. Patch 1.4, which is the Enhanced Edition, fixed all that. And since it costed nothing to patch and the selling price for the EE was the same, I doubt they kept any previous version for sale. If there was no EE/patch, The Witcher would be known as one of the worst games ever!

That shows what a committed dev can do with their games when they put their hearts and minds into fixing it. TW is simple one of the greatest games ever. (Hello? Bioware/EA? Can you read between lines here????)

[Grommash94]

Wynne wrote...

 the kind of thing only 14-year-old boys who call themselves TH_DARK_LORD _RA\\\\/INBL00DKILL0R like to do.

Lmao. :lol:


...Ok, sorry, continue on.

[Saibh]

RageGT wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Wynne wrote..

Awesomeness!  I hope you enjoy it! Just make sure you get the fully patched version--I  wouldassume the Enhanced Edition is all they sell now, though. It was vastly superior. Love that they didn't force people who'd already bought the game to pay for the new voice acting and fixed translations and removed bugs and lower load times.

Why, thank you. What was the voice acting like before, then?

It had some awful acting and many silent parts or voice not matching the written subtitles. The Enhanced Edition had all the lines re-recorded with very good attention to the details this time. Plus the original release could hardly run, with many bugs, memory leaks, absurd loading times, stuff like that. Patch 1.4, which is the Enhanced Edition, fixed all that. And since it costed nothing to patch and the selling price for the EE was the same, I doubt they kept any previous version for sale. If there was no EE/patch, The Witcher would be known as one of the worst games ever!

That shows what a committed dev can do with their games when they put their hearts and minds into fixing it. TW is simple one of the greatest games ever. (Hello? Bioware/EA? Can you read between lines here????)

Yes...but then, from what you're telling me, they released they game extremely buggy and crappy. DAO has some pretty big bugs, but nothing the way you describe the Witcher's.

[elearon1]

It is funny, but I seem to be in the vast minority in that I enjoyed the combat system of The Witcher. I liked them a lot more than the "click and watch" mode or DA, as it fealt active and immersive. It had a small learning curve, but not a bad one and I always fealt like I was doing something. And best of all, no cool-down timers to look at. (though that kind of combat only works with one character - you couldn't do it with a party)



As for what I'd bring over ... the graphics where beautiful. I loved the fact that the buildings actually looked aged and worn. The stone had texture, the places looked like they had been sitting for years, not the polish of most crpgs where the "aging" is so obviously fake it might as well be wallpapered on.



I liked that so many choices where Grey, rather than black and white - and that it really fealt like my decisions had actual consequences - which didn't always come across in DA. Some people complain that there were no positive endings to storylines or missions, but that isn't quite correct ... some endings were better than others, it was simply that every ending had repercussions - which is, I think, a very realistic approach.



I'm looking forward to Witcher 2 just about as much as DA2. In fact, there are far too many promising games coming out next spring ... I am going to be so broke!

[snfonseka]

Khayness wrote...

The only common thing in Mass Effect 2 and The Witcher is the BioWare logo on the box.

BW logo on the Witchers box?

[snfonseka]

elearon1 wrote...

It is funny, but I seem to be in the vast minority in that I enjoyed the combat system of The Witcher. I liked them a lot more than the "click and watch" mode or DA, as it fealt active and immersive. It had a small learning curve, but not a bad one and I always fealt like I was doing something. And best of all, no cool-down timers to look at. (though that kind of combat only works with one character - you couldn't do it with a party)

As for what I'd bring over ... the graphics where beautiful. I loved the fact that the buildings actually looked aged and worn. The stone had texture, the places looked like they had been sitting for years, not the polish of most crpgs where the "aging" is so obviously fake it might as well be wallpapered on.

I liked that so many choices where Grey, rather than black and white - and that it really fealt like my decisions had actual consequences - which didn't always come across in DA. Some people complain that there were no positive endings to storylines or missions, but that isn't quite correct ... some endings were better than others, it was simply that every ending had repercussions - which is, I think, a very realistic approach.

I'm looking forward to Witcher 2 just about as much as DA2. In fact, there are far too many promising games coming out next spring ... I am going to be so broke!

^ This

[Kileyan]

snfonseka wrote...

Khayness wrote...

The only common thing in Mass Effect 2 and The Witcher is the BioWare logo on the box.

BW logo on the Witchers box?

The game used their NWN's game engine, Aurora or something like that. Pretty good chance the Bioware symbol or name is on the box. 

[DragonRageGT]

snfonseka wrote...

Khayness wrote...

The only common thing in Mass Effect 2 and The Witcher is the BioWare logo on the box.

BW logo on the Witchers box?

Yep. "Powered by Bioware's Aurora Engine"

Modifié par RageGT, 31 juillet 2010 - 01:58 .

[DragonRageGT]

the_one_54321 wrote...

RageGT wrote...
I have someone bringing me the US version when he flies back to Brazil within the next couple of days.

I don't suppose your friend is studying for a doctorate in a border city in the southwest of USA?

No, he's not.

[snfonseka]

RageGT wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Khayness wrote...

The only common thing in Mass Effect 2 and The Witcher is the BioWare logo on the box.

BW logo on the Witchers box?

Yep. "Powered by Bioware's Aurora Engine"

arr... yes! that!.... I forgot about that .

[DragonRageGT]

Saibh wrote...
Yes...but then, from what you're telling me, they released they game extremely buggy and crappy. DAO has some pretty big bugs, but nothing the way you describe the Witcher's.

Well, read these:

The Witcher Review for PC - GameSpot

The Witcher Enhanced Edition Review for PC - GameSpot

[Vaeliorin]

The only thing I really liked about The Witcher was that people reacted to rain. That was pretty cool. Other than that, the story was filled with unlikable characters (with the notable exception of Shani) and factions that I didn't want anything to do with.



Grey morality gets kind of boring when everyone basically sucks, and you're still forced to pick a side (for example, why couldn't I off Abigail and all those stupid villagers? And why would I side with the Squirrels or the Order when neither of them really has any redeeming characteristics?)

[DragonRageGT]

snfonseka wrote...
arr... yes! that!.... I forgot about that .

Weird. It is not in this one! But a lot of prize seals are.. hehe

[nov_pl]

I like Witcher more than DA:O, and from what i know now I will like TW2 the hell more than DA2.

And if anyone call TW1 "Extremely" bugged i guess he never played Gothic III

TW1 wasn't that bugged tho, I had it pre-ordered so I've been playing since the release, and it it wasn't that bad.

[DragonRageGT]

Vaeliorin wrote...
Grey morality gets kind of boring when everyone basically sucks, and you're still forced to pick a side (for example, why couldn't I off Abigail and all those stupid villagers?

Well, you could "off" Abigail and all the villagers... just not in the exact same manner or with the exact same sword!


And hey, even Gothic 3 became the Epic it promised to be.. after patch 1.12 but specially after the 900MB community Patch, now in version 1.74. Talk about love for a game by a great community!

Modifié par RageGT, 31 juillet 2010 - 02:13 .