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[Solaris Paradox]

At this point all I can say is that I'm glad the console version's combat is going to be better-suited to consoles. The radial-menu and shortcuts made the PC-style combat managable, and all--and it was certainly interesting to see that sort of system adapted to consoles at least once--but really, it was a bit too unwieldy for my liking. If the combat in the PC version is tailored to the advantages of the PC and the combat on the consoles is tailored to consoles, then I think everyone wins. Those with the choice between the two versions can choose whichever of the two seems more suited to their particular tastes. It's a pretty cool idea.



I like the idea of the narration, too. Seems like a more satisfying and interesting idea than reading a bunch of text blurbs after beating the Archdemon, anyway.

[phaonica]

Brockololly wrote...

phaonica wrote...
Yeah, there is a difference between an unreliable character (like Morrigan or Zathrian) and an unreliable narrator. In DAO, the person that is telling the *player* the story is not one of the characters in the game.

Exactly- in Origins we saw many debatable things but we were always directly seeing things through the POV of the Warden. There wasn't some extra narrator retelling the events of the Warden too.

Take the Guantlet at the Urn of Sacred Ashes. There is plenty of unbelieveable stuff going on there with the Guardian, and the Ashes and all the spirits and what not. Now in the game, its left up to you to wonder whether thats really divine influence of the Maker and Andraste or if maybe it was just a boat load of Lyrium making that place all weird. But what you saw as the Warden was the reality, its just how you interpreted it.

If you added the DA2 style unreliable narrator, maybe the narrator is a Chantry zealot or hates the Chantry, then when they retell the story of the Guantlet, you don't know if the Guardian is real or just the embellishment of the narrator, so you get hung up questioning the very reality of the scene and not necessarily even getting to question whether its lyrium or the Maker, because anything you're seeing could potentially be the byproduct of the narrators overactive imagination.

I think Gaider and the writers have said they won't be quite that devious, but while some may think thats a neat trick, I thought the level of unreliable characters in Origins was good enough. You add an unreliable narrator on top of things and that just gets a bit excessive to the point where you're basically wondering if anything you're playing as Hawke even matters....I don't think BioWare would go that far but the temptation to pull the rug out from underneath the player is certainly there with the framed narrative, I'd think.

Thank you, Brock, this is a near perfect example of what I meant. I don't mind the framed narrative, I think that being able to see the consequences of our actions sooner than the epilogue is a pretty cool idea. But I just don't want a lot of unreliable narration that makes you, as Brock said, question the very reality of the scene.

[0rz0]

If it will work similar to Alpha Protocol I'll be happy

[KnightofPhoenix]

0rz0 wrote...

If it will work similar to Alpha Protocol I'll be happy

Yes, I did like how the narrative was structured in that game.

Since DA2 is a third person narrative, it can afford having such a system, while Origins could not.  

[SoR82]

It be nice to get some REAL new infomation as opposed to the same regurgitated phrases over and over.

[Andat]

Well that's certainly more encouraging than the original announcement. To be honest, it sounds like they're developing two distinctly different games, (a traditional, tactical game for PC and a more actiony game for consoles) which kind of makes sense if they can do both of them well.



I'd like to see more info on the class / skill systems and the tactical combat for the PC, but I guess that will all come in due course... This frame narrative idea sounds intruiging, so I'll be looking forward to more info on how that works.



I wonder how much input we'll be able to have over the actual character - I guess they could introduce an origin story-like system because, although we know Hawke is in Lothering around the same time as the Warden from DAO, presumably the main DA2 game starts some time after that. Maybe we'll get some input on what Hawke has been doing in the meantime?



Another thing is the approach to side-quests. From some of the things I've read, it sounds almost as though side quests won't take place in the same time frame as the main story, rather it's a flashback type thing. So he might be telling a companion the story of how he once defeated the savage demon of Somehereorother, then the screen goes wavy and you're playing the quest where you have to defeat the demon, thus telling the story. It's an interesting way to deal with the way that side-quests apparently detract from the main country-in-peril story. I wonder how that will work with the skill sets and companions - do you keep the setup you have at the time you're telling the story, or will it give you the setup Hawke supposedly had at the time he originally defeated the demon?

[monstertrucks]

Hey I think It's great that DA:O2 is gonna have this new guy, Hawke and all these new opportunities...but does anyone else feel that there are still many cliffhangers from DA:O left unanswered? I wish the Bioware people had shed more light on the continuation of the story in the video.



I wanna say that I still support Bioware's decisions as I trust that they will continue to make quality games. I'm sure DA:O2 won't disappoint in terms of gameplay and the new storyline but I would be a little disappointed if they failed to address issues/decisions made in DA:O effectively and dismiss them w/o giving a realistic follow-up.

[joriandrake]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

0rz0 wrote...

If it will work similar to Alpha Protocol I'll be happy

Yes, I did like how the narrative was structured in that game.

Since DA2 is a third person narrative, it can afford having such a system, while Origins could not.  

I believe the idea for it may very well originate from Obsidian's AP considering how close they are with Bioware and how long it was in developement, and I also think it will be done similar to how the questioning/interrogation in AP worked

[Querne]

marquiseondore wrote...

"His name is Hawke...Or Her name is Hawke.."

Good save Mike Laidlaw, Good Save

/sign


Sounds interesting. Nothing really new, but makes me feel better somehow.

[Solaris Paradox]

monstertrucks wrote...

Hey I think It's great that DA:O2 is gonna have this new guy, Hawke and all these new opportunities...but does anyone else feel that there are still many cliffhangers from DA:O left unanswered? I wish the Bioware people had shed more light on the continuation of the story in the video.

I wanna say that I still support Bioware's decisions as I trust that they will continue to make quality games. I'm sure DA:O2 won't disappoint in terms of gameplay and the new storyline but I would be a little disappointed if they failed to address issues/decisions made in DA:O effectively and dismiss them w/o giving a realistic follow-up.

This is a semantic quibble, but... it's not "DA:O2," it's just "DA2." The "Origins" part is rather conspiculously absent in the title just as it is in the game. Not that I care about the title so much, but including the "O" in this game, given that the Origin story idea isn't returning for this one, it just bugs me for some reason. >_>

[Riona45]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

I like the idea of the narration, too. Seems like a more satisfying and interesting idea than reading a bunch of text blurbs after beating the Archdemon, anyway.

Agreed, it'll be neat to see the major effects of our actions before the end of the game.

[Riona45]

monstertrucks wrote...

Hey I think It's great that DA:O2 is gonna have this new guy, Hawke and all these new opportunities...but does anyone else feel that there are still many cliffhangers from DA:O left unanswered?

I do get that feeling.  It's just that:

1) I don't mind if some things are left a mystery, and...

2) I'm sure some of them will be addressed in this game, or in later games.  Look at it this way--do you expect BW to come right out and say, "Hey guys, we just announced the game, but we want to tell you right way that you can expect to see the [X] plot point tied up!"  They never do that, and even if they did, it wouldn't stem all the questions and concerns people would have about it.

[Morroian]

monstertrucks wrote...

Hey I think It's great that DA:O2 is gonna have this new guy, Hawke and all these new opportunities...but does anyone else feel that there are still many cliffhangers from DA:O left unanswered?

Only 1 for me, the dark ritual, and even then not every character or player did the dark ritual.

[jacking]

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[jacking]

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[haberman13]

KazuyaWright wrote...

So it's all levels in DA2 like ME2. Complete a level or battle - back to the narrators - on to the next level. Just like ME2's end of level screen.

I won't buy this game on principal if that is the case.

I quit ME2 half way through (never to play again) because of this.  Totally ruined the experience for me, then the frustration happened...

[Andat]

ME2's "end of level" screen was annoying but it didn't stop me playing the game - but then the difference is that Dragon Age (Origins, and hopefully DA2) is a full-on RPG whereas ME2 definitely wasn't. ME2 was an action game that had a few RPG-like elements, and as such the "end of level" screen fit with that game better.

[SoR82]

Andat wrote...

ME2's "end of level" screen was annoying but it didn't stop me playing the game - but then the difference is that Dragon Age (Origins, and hopefully DA2) is a full-on RPG whereas ME2 definitely wasn't. ME2 was an action game that had a few RPG-like elements, and as such the "end of level" screen fit with that game better.

You mean as we keep being told this is more "action orientated" didnt they use that exact line for ME2?

[Andat]

SoR82 wrote...

Andat wrote...

ME2's "end of level" screen was annoying but it didn't stop me playing the game - but then the difference is that Dragon Age (Origins, and hopefully DA2) is a full-on RPG whereas ME2 definitely wasn't. ME2 was an action game that had a few RPG-like elements, and as such the "end of level" screen fit with that game better.

You mean as we keep being told this is more "action orientated" didnt they use that exact line for ME2?

Yeah, which is why everyone started assuming it was essentially ME2 with dragons and hurlocks.  I don't know if DA2 will use an "end of level" screen like ME2, or if the game will be divided into missions (or levels) in exactly the same way as ME2.  I'll personally be very disappointed if that's the case - it's not that I hate that kind of actiony game, it's more that games like that are ten a penny and good full-on RPGs are not.

[Blayzereborn]

Time to begin Operation: Ruin Everything.

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[SoR82]

Andat wrote...

SoR82 wrote...

Andat wrote...

ME2's "end of level" screen was annoying but it didn't stop me playing the game - but then the difference is that Dragon Age (Origins, and hopefully DA2) is a full-on RPG whereas ME2 definitely wasn't. ME2 was an action game that had a few RPG-like elements, and as such the "end of level" screen fit with that game better.

You mean as we keep being told this is more "action orientated" didnt they use that exact line for ME2?

Yeah, which is why everyone started assuming it was essentially ME2 with dragons and hurlocks.  I don't know if DA2 will use an "end of level" screen like ME2, or if the game will be divided into missions (or levels) in exactly the same way as ME2.  I'll personally be very disappointed if that's the case - it's not that I hate that kind of actiony game, it's more that games like that are ten a penny and good full-on RPGs are not.

I think this is the mian problem they are giving us standard phrases that could mean anyhting at all and peoples brains instinctivly go into overdrive... my own included. Its not that i dislike action games far from it but i can pick one of those up anywhere..... i cannot pick up a classy rpg.

God yes those end of misison screens.... if they wanted to give a mission over view keep it within the game dont pull me out of the game everytime ive slaughtered some mercs, to tell me i have done so

[Andat]

The interesting thing is that the Alpha Protocol end-of-mission screens worked quite well, but they were styled more like after-action reports so they fit the theme better.



Anyway, sounds like we're on the same page - here's hoping for the best and that DA2 is awesome, right?

[magpie]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I've been pronouncing Lothering wrong this whole time apparently.
I've been saying loh-thering. Darrah pronounced it lah-thering... huh.

aaaand that was the only new thing I learned.

But is that the default pronouncination or the canon pronouncination?

[SoR82]

Andat wrote...

The interesting thing is that the Alpha Protocol end-of-mission screens worked quite well, but they were styled more like after-action reports so they fit the theme better.

Anyway, sounds like we're on the same page - here's hoping for the best and that DA2 is awesome, right?

Oh yes I REALLY want it to be good.......