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[Cypher0020]

Just wondering if the vanguard can take the SR or AR as a bonus weapon....and if so, which one is the better option?

[Kronner]

Yes, you can pick Claymore (heavy shotgun), AR and SR. Which one is better depends on your playstyle and all 3 choices might work very well for you. There is really no bad choice.

[ezrafetch]

If you've got the Kasumi DLC (and therefore the Locust), the AR becomes rather redundant as a bonus weapon option...without the Kasumi DLC then the AR becomes a much better option. I'd go with either the Claymore or the SR (use the Viper).  With the Locust, though, it's a playstyle preference. If you more want to remedy the Vanguard's lack of long-range engagement options, take the SR. I've seen SR charging videos where the SR basically is a backup weapon to the Scimitar where it has reasonable use, so perhaps taking the Claymore is less necessary as you essentially have two weapons which can function in the Charging role...but some folks just like the fact that the Claymore is BFG which makes it legit. The Claymore plays into Vanguard strengths, while the SR shores up Vanguard "weaknesses."

Modifié par ezrafetch, 31 juillet 2010 - 08:03 .

[amcnow]

I prefer to play to my own strengths and have my squadmates shore up my weaknesses. I recommend the Claymore shotty. I the end, however, you should make your choice based solely on how you want to play your Vanguard. In other words: There is no better option.

[Cypher0020]

Wow... didn't know I'd have all those choices..... thinking of either long or medium range... the shotgun is great...AR was my fav ME1 weapon...but I never tried the ME2 SR either..

[NICKjnp]

To the AR is useless because of the locust statement... no it is still a usefull. The vindi does more damage than the locust and there are still times when the tempest is more effective close range rather than a shotty.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 31 juillet 2010 - 08:49 .

[JaegerBane]

NICKjnp wrote...

To the AR is useless because of the locust statement... no it is still a usefull. The vindi does more damage than the locust and there are still times when the tempest is more effective close range rather than a shotty.

I don't think anyone's claiming that the Locust renders the Vindi obsolete or anything... it's just taking the Vindi denies you access to other stuff. While it might slightly more punch, it's a bit of stretch to claim that the extra punch is worth a Claymore or a Viper.

I'm not really sure what you're getting at regarding Tempests being better choices than Shotties at close range under certain situations. I can't think of any situation where it'd be a better choice. Tempests have better range, yeah, and that's pretty much it. SMGs have the same upgrades as shotties.

Tempests can only compete with Locusts on the basis that they're better at short ranges. While that's fine for an Infil or an Engy or something, on a Vanguard, that's pointless, as you've got as shotty to cover it.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 31 juillet 2010 - 08:58 .

[Kronner]

JaegerBane wrote...

Tempests can only compete with Locusts on the basis that they're better at short ranges. While that's fine for an Infil or an Engy or something, on a Vanguard, that's pointless, as you've got as shotty to cover it.

Agreed. Locust is far better than Tempest for a Vanguard, Locust is basically a mini-assault rifle with no recoil. One of the best weapons in the game, actually.

[NICKjnp]

mashavasilec wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

*snip*
...there are still times when the tempest is more effective close range rather than a shotty.

such as?

Heastrom, Tali's and Legion's loyalty missions, Collector platforms, anytime you bring Zaeed for his disruptor ammo.  That little pee shooter is not as good a the vindi for a medium range weapon.  Yeah it is accurate but it doesn't have the damage that the vindi has.

[sapphyreelf]

I personally liked AR over the Claymore for my Vanguard. But, I liked using the Geth Pulse Rifle with Incendirary Ammo as my main weapon.

[JaegerBane]

NICKjnp wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

*snip*
...there are still times when the tempest is more effective close range rather than a shotty.

such as?

Heastrom, Tali's and Legion's loyalty missions, Collector platforms, anytime you bring Zaeed for his disruptor ammo.

If your point is that the multiple shots mean greater chances of overheat than, um, well.... I'm not really sure that realistically qualifies as a good reason for using a tempest. All SMGs provide multiple shots to bring up the chances of overheat, and shotguns kill faster. There's no reason to specifically use the Tempest.

That little pee shooter is not as good a the vindi for a medium range weapon.  Yeah it is accurate but it doesn't have the damage that the vindi has.

And the Vindi doesn't have the ammo the Locust has, nor does it allow Shepard to pick something else. All the weapons have their plus and minus points - it doesn't really make sense to say 'the vindi has better damage' and summarily ignore all it's negatives. The Locust may not pack the same punch, but it isn't really so far behind to justify losing access to the Viper or Claymore. The Viper packs far greater punch than the Vindi ever will and few weapons in the entire game can match the Claymore for close-range performance.

[NICKjnp]

Ahhh... I see where the discussion is heading and I'll stop adding to it. I'm not going to talk trash about builds... and ask you don't talk trash about mine. I'm glad you like the locust... I don't... so that is why I take the AR.

[JaegerBane]

NICKjnp wrote...

Ahhh... I see where the discussion is heading and I'll stop adding to it. I'm not going to talk trash about builds... and ask you don't talk trash about mine. I'm glad you like the locust... I don't... so that is why I take the AR.

It might have lead to a bit less confusion if you'd just stated up front that your choice was based on nothing more than what you liked. I doubt anyone is going to begrudge you using what you like. Your point about Tempests and shotguns implied that you'd found situations where it was a better choice.

[NICKjnp]

That is all these discussions come down to anywase.... personal preferance.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Assault Rifle, even when you already have the Locust, for you can never have too many bullets.

[Cypher0020]

I hate not having DLC. No idea how to make my 360 DLC compatable.....grrrrr......



Sooo.....the AR looks promising.....

[AntiChri5]

I love AR with my Vangaurd.

[JaegerBane]

NICKjnp wrote...

That is all these discussions come down to anywase.... personal preferance.

Meh - ultimately, personal prefernce is the most important factor in what you choose. I just thought you were putting and argument forward that was based on stats 

[Jincredible]

I love the claymore, not many things can take a claymore shot to the head and keep moving. If they live, punch. Nothing is more satisfying to me in ME2 than a claymore shot at a head at pointblank range then punching them to dead.



I took the sniper my first playthrough and it really didn't feel right. I grabbed the claymore the next one and never stopped using it. If you're standing back and sniping enemies as a vanguard, you probably should choose a different class. Snipin's fer sneaky cowardly bastard snipers. Vanguards ain't no sneaky cowardly bastard snipers.

[JaegerBane]

Jincredible wrote...

I love the claymore, not many things can take a claymore shot to the head and keep moving. If they live, punch. Nothing is more satisfying to me in ME2 than a claymore shot at a head at pointblank range then punching them to dead.

I'm on the fence about the claymore.

On the one hand, I think it's a fantastic one-shotter that functions a bit like Doom 3:RoE's double barreled shotgun, allowing you to quickly blast opponents in half. I even hacked my Adept so that he can use it.

On the other, it's a weapon that has a monumental lack of flexibility, and is, frankly, only truly effective in one kind of situation. That tends to mean, on a Vanguard, picking it condemns you to doing the exact same thing for the rest of the game, which so far, has lead to me quitting the game three times a Vanguard.

[Bozorgmehr]

JaegerBane wrote...

On the other, it's a weapon that has a monumental lack of flexibility, and is, frankly, only truly effective in one kind of situation. That tends to mean, on a Vanguard, picking it condemns you to doing the exact same thing for the rest of the game, which so far, has lead to me quitting the game three times a Vanguard.

I'm thinking of starting a new game with a Vanguard. Not the 'traditional' Charge Vanguard, but a more biotic orientated one. I think I'll leave Charge at lvl 2 and only use it tactically to get into fights quickly, but I will not use Charge simply to get some of my shields back. Claymore can be fantastic since you can use biotics between shots. With Pull plus Miranda and Thane as squadies you can set up two warp explosions between 1 shot - pretty devastating

Locust is a good and versatile weapon for some unchargable situations, plus you can always mod the game if you want to switch.

[NICKjnp]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

On the other, it's a weapon that has a monumental lack of flexibility, and is, frankly, only truly effective in one kind of situation. That tends to mean, on a Vanguard, picking it condemns you to doing the exact same thing for the rest of the game, which so far, has lead to me quitting the game three times a Vanguard.

I'm thinking of starting a new game with a Vanguard. Not the 'traditional' Charge Vanguard, but a more biotic orientated one. I think I'll leave Charge at lvl 2 and only use it tactically to get into fights quickly, but I will not use Charge simply to get some of my shields back. Claymore can be fantastic since you can use biotics between shots. With Pull plus Miranda and Thane as squadies you can set up two warp explosions between 1 shot - pretty devastating

Locust is a good and versatile weapon for some unchargable situations, plus you can always mod the game if you want to switch.

Try this build... it is mine and I love it.

Lvl 1 incendiary ammo
Lvl 0 cryo ammo
Lvl 4 heavy charge
Lvl 4 shockwave
Lvl 4 pull field
Lvl 4 champion/destroyer (choice is yours... but destroyer does have the 15% power damage bonus)
Lvl 4 area reave

bonus weapon: assault rifle

Evolve squadmates' bonus powers to squad version.

It's a fun change of pace from the charge charge charge that you hear suggested on the forums.  Heavy Shockwave can be very deadly if you bring squadmates who can dissable enemy defenses.  Also... spam it against tha bloodpack pyro on garrus' recruitment mission and he doesn't stand a chance.  Use charge to finish off enemies or enemies that get seperated from their group.

[ADLegend21]

who needs another automatic firing weapon when you have the Locust and you needs a long rage weapon when you can ccharge across a battlefield and then deliver the most dmage from any weapon right in some random mercs grill with the claymore in incendiary? ^__^