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[Brockololly]

Magus_42 wrote..

On topic, I find the new Qunari to be dull. The Qunari were interesting because they looked almost human, but were the most alien of the races in culture. Now they just look like rote demons. *yawn*

Exactly! I found the Qunari interesting because in the codex and tales from the likes of Brother Genitivi he mentions how alien they look yet when you meet Sten, sure he looks a bit bigger and has purple eyes and such, but its not his physical appearance thats alien- its his demeanor and philosophy that makes him stand apart. I always figured the exaggerations mentioned by Genitivi on the Qunari with horns and such were sort of like how sailors used to write about there being mermaids and sea monsters, when in actuality they were just manatees and whales.

I don't mind if some of the horned Quanri are even more "alien" as they're more native to their homeland, but even without the horns, the new design just makes the Quanri seem over the top "alien"- like they felt the need to bash it over our heads that the Qunari are different than humans in philosophy so they must look totally different too.

Magus_42 wrote..

And, personally, I find the new art style as a whole to be a big step backwards. I do agree with David Gaider's comment that this isn't the most important thing about the game, but it is what Bioware has chosen to lead with when presenting this game to the fans, and it's not exactly building my enthusiasm for the future of the series. I would also say that these games are being released only a year apart, and the stories overlap in time, so the fact that fans might find the transition jarring should not be surprising.

Yeah, its just odd that while they're showing all these huge visual changes to the DA universe, they're still making content for Origins in the "old" style. Its just jarring, like you said- its like watching a live action Star Wars movie then watching the Clone Wars cartoon- sure they're both "Star Wars" but the visual disparity breaks your sense of continuity and immersion.

Modifié par Brockololly, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:03 .

[Chairon de Celeste]

David Gaider wrote...

The qunari and the darkspawn, however, are our creation-- one you have had limited exposure to, at best. Making superficial changes to how we present them is not the same as presenting elves with monkey heads, and suggesting such is not going to fool anyone-- least of all us.

Besides: the da o ingame lore on qnari already mentions their horns - and we've seen them on the
'former qnari', the ogres - so a horned qn in da rtp shouldn't be an eartshattering surprise.

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:04 .

[Arttis]

Not picking a fight with you but everytime some dev posts what they believe or something along those lines suddenly people start saying its a promise...I do not understand...I guess I am just weird,or horrible at english either one.

[Kritanakom]

Arttis wrote...

Not picking a fight with you but everytime some dev posts what they believe or something along those lines suddenly people start saying its a promise...I do not understand...I guess I am just weird,or horrible at english either one.

Aww, Arttis is just defending the Devs, making sure nobody gets mad at them later for a promise they never made. It's ok guys, we can all be buds

[captain.subtle]

Arttis wrote...

Not picking a fight with you but everytime some dev posts what they believe or something along those lines suddenly people start saying its a promise...I do not understand...I guess I am just weird,or horrible at english either one.

For that matter this was my first instance.. Since I joined about a day back.... I really thought that he would feel bad if the marketing messed with the story, that belongs to mostly him..... So I expressed my relief at the Integrity he showed... Was that so bad?

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...

The qunari and the darkspawn, however, are our creation-- one you have had limited exposure to, at best. Making superficial changes to how we present them is not the same as presenting elves with monkey heads, and suggesting such is not going to fool anyone-- least of all us.

The horned qunari aside, is there any explanation for why the darkspawn hurlocks have chalky white skin now? Or is that just artistic license? I don't care for the armor and such but from reading your books and everything, I always figured the darkspawn's blighted skin was, you know, dark and nasty looking? Like how when the Taint affects the Wardens in the Calling, their skin turns dark and blotchy, not white and chalky?

[Arttis]

Brockololly wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

The qunari and the darkspawn, however, are our creation-- one you have had limited exposure to, at best. Making superficial changes to how we present them is not the same as presenting elves with monkey heads, and suggesting such is not going to fool anyone-- least of all us.

The horned qunari aside, is there any explanation for why the darkspawn hurlocks have chalky white skin now? Or is that just artistic license? I don't care for the armor and such but from reading your books and everything, I always figured the darkspawn's blighted skin was, you know, dark and nasty looking? Like how when the Taint affects the Wardens in the Calling, their skin turns dark and blotchy, not white and chalky?

Yet the brood mothers are always super pale.

[captain.subtle]

Arttis wrote...
]Yet the brood mothers are always super pale.

I am not fighting over color. War-paint? Yes. Color. Noooo.

Modifié par captain.subtle, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:12 .

[Grommash94]

captain.subtle wrote...

Arttis wrote...
]Yet the brood mothers are always super pale.

I am not fighting over color. War-paint? Yes. Color. Noooo.

If you are referring to the Qunari art with the body paint, well, we don't really know that that is war paint. It could just be a part of a ritual. And even if it is war paint, Mary Kirby did say that not all Qunari would be running around painted and with no armor.

[Arttis]

Although the tip of the fingers suggest a beast or demon....

[captain.subtle]

Grommash94 wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Arttis wrote...
]Yet the brood mothers are always super pale.

I am not fighting over color. War-paint? Yes. Color. Noooo.

If you are referring to the Qunari art with the body paint, well, we don't really know that that is war paint. It could just be a part of a ritual. And even if it is war paint, Mary Kirby did say that not all Qunari would be running around painted and with no armor.

I am finding it hard to digest that an advanced society needs warpaint or any ritual of this kind. Playing the game I had a ditinct impreion from Sten that the Qunari society was extremely practical and anti-ritualitic. But one can cook up any required explanationss to justify any.. uh... strange custom I guess.

[Grommash94]

captain.subtle wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Arttis wrote...
]Yet the brood mothers are always super pale.

I am not fighting over color. War-paint? Yes. Color. Noooo.

If you are referring to the Qunari art with the body paint, well, we don't really know that that is war paint. It could just be a part of a ritual. And even if it is war paint, Mary Kirby did say that not all Qunari would be running around painted and with no armor.

I am finding it hard to digest that an advanced society needs warpaint or any ritual of this kind. Playing the game I had a ditinct impreion from Sten that the Qunari society was extremely practical and anti-ritualitic. But one can cook up any required explanationss to justify any.. uh... strange custom I guess.

They may not believe in any gods or an afterlife, but they do have their own, strange customs.  I wouldn't really say that they are an advanced society; although, it is hard to say, just because we know so little about them, and even Sten didn't reveal too much about them in general.

[Arttis]

They supposedly have one huge festival where people go crazy.....or something...a lot fo time spent cleaning up, arresting, and executions after it though.

[captain.subtle]

Grommash94 wrote..

They may not believe in any gods or an afterlife, but they do have their own, strange customs.  I wouldn't really say that they are an advanced society; although, it is hard to say, just because we know so little about them, and even Sten didn't reveal too much about them in general.

But they are very PRACTICAL. Sten seemed to sneer at the smallest HUMAN exaggeration. I doubt he comes from society that is hypocretical if Not outright dictatorial and ..... err...bigotic.

[rolson00]

Marzillius wrote...

Seriously, why?

They changed the darkspawn to look like undead.
Qunari now has horns and no bronze skin colour.

These are the two first continuity fails I've encountered so far. Why do you do it? If you created darkspawn once, then don't go change it! I hate when continuity changes.

they could be blight victims in dao you hear someone say that a solder met his brother on the battle field

[Maverick827]

Spear-Thrower wrote...

The Qunari change seems unnecessary to me, but I'll soon forget it if both kinds appear in DA2. It's not like the horned guys are totally replacing the original -- they are now the "special" hornless Qunari. yes indeed.

In any event, I'm still annoyed that Leliana's Sacred Ashes look wasn't used. She is awesome in that and far superior to the in-game model. OK, it's a CGI trailer but character likeness is very important for continuity. Wish I'd found the mods before playing the game.

I think the face mods look absolutely terrible and even further from the trailer, but to each his own.

It would be nice if CGI characters could be based off of something that has already been created in-game, but that's probably not how the process works.  I'd assume the work flows from the highest level of control to the lowest: free-form drawing, CGI, in-game character creation.

[Grommash94]

captain.subtle wrote...

Grommash94 wrote..

They may not believe in any gods or an afterlife, but they do have their own, strange customs.  I wouldn't really say that they are an advanced society; although, it is hard to say, just because we know so little about them, and even Sten didn't reveal too much about them in general.

But they are very PRACTICAL.

In some ways, perhaps. But these are also the guys who  insist that everyone has a specific role in society, which they cannot change, no matter what. Women don't fight. Some children are raised as soldiers from the beginning of their lives. Farmers and traders, and their children, will always be just that.

Also, considering they have Tamassrans (priests) , who is to say they don't have some sort of rituals? There is nothing to suggest they wouldn't have those sort of things, like a warrior coming of age, or a some such. We just don't know.

Modifié par Grommash94, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:45 .

[captain.subtle]

Grommash94 wrote...

In some ways, perhaps. But these are also the guys who  insist that everyone has a specific role in society, which they cannot change, no matter what. Women don't fight. Some are raised as soldiers from the beginning of their lives. Farmers and traders, and their children, will always be just that.

Also, considering they have Tamassrans (priests) , who is to say they don't have some sort of rituals? There is nothing to suggest they wouldn't have those sort of things, like a warrior coming of age, or a some such. We just don't know.

There is no way I am going to be baited into a gender debate. So Donna wanna answer that question.

[Grommash94]

captain.subtle wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

In some ways, perhaps. But these are also the guys who  insist that everyone has a specific role in society, which they cannot change, no matter what. Women don't fight. Some are raised as soldiers from the beginning of their lives. Farmers and traders, and their children, will always be just that.

Also, considering they have Tamassrans (priests) , who is to say they don't have some sort of rituals? There is nothing to suggest they wouldn't have those sort of things, like a warrior coming of age, or a some such. We just don't know.

There is no way I am going to be baited into a gender debate. So Donna wanna answer that question.

I...wasn't trying to bait anyone. I was just stating what the Qunari views on society are.

[javierabegazo]

If this can be centered on Design Continuity and not just the new Qunari look (because we have a dedicated sticky for that) then it can stay open

[Arttis]

How will the wolves and bears look in DA2?

[AlanC9]

captain.subtle wrote...
I am finding it hard to digest that an advanced society needs warpaint or any ritual of this kind.

We're an advanced society and yet we have uniforms for various social positions. Facepaint's just a different means to that end.

Since Qunari don't believe in changing jobs, they could even use tattoos.

[javierabegazo]

AlanC9 wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...
I am finding it hard to digest that an advanced society needs warpaint or any ritual of this kind.

We're an advanced society and yet we have uniforms for various social positions. Facepaint's just a different means to that end.

Since Qunari don't believe in changing jobs, they could even use tattoos.

I don't see why it's so hard.

All over DAO, we see tattoos, either facial or otherwise, and we ALSO see warpaint, be it on an Ash Warrior, or on a Mabari.  

Even in Modern military they use paint on faces as camoflauge. Sure it's a different usage of paint, but in the end, using paint isn't so strange of an idea, especially to a society like the Qunari, who's manarisms are much more tribal in nature anyways