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[Maverick827]

Plot twist: Hawke's beard has been releasing chemicals that cause people to commit mass suicide.

[Nerevar-as]

Hawke is a Fake Ultimate Hero. Bethany actually did everything.



I wasn´t impressed with Kotor. I was spoiled, but the first thing I thought when i read it was if hitting Palpatine hard enough on the head and Jedi brainwashing would give him a clean slate. Dark Side felt like corrupting one´s very soul in the movies.

JE however...what seemed like little mistakes were revealed to be part of an almost perfect plan. Still my favorite plot twist.

[gotthammer]

How about: the Maker is a Reaper, and all of Thedas just a virtual reality simulation, with all the beings in it (Hawke and the Warden included) AI of various 'levels'/complexity?

Modifié par gotthammer, 31 juillet 2010 - 06:35 .

[Skilled Seeker]

gotthammer wrote...

How about: the Maker is a Reaper, and all of Thedas just a virtual reality simulation, with all the beings in it (Hawke and the Warden included) AI of various 'levels'/complexity?

[darknoon5]

Sneelonz wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

The best plot twists in Bioware games so far have been in Kotor and Jade Empire. ME and DA haven't had any which is a shame.

The reapers?
Collectors being protheans?
Big plot twists. I don't understand some people...

Thanks for spoiling it for me. <_<

Collectors being protheans is hardly gonna spoil the story lol. But yes, I probably shouldn't  be posting spoilers. Apologies, I know from experience how annoying it is.

[triggerhappy456]

Slidell505 wrote...

Superior plot twist.

No Hawke, you are the Darkspawn. And then Hawke was a darkspawn.

this would be the coolest plot twist ever!

StreetlightEagle wrote...

I think Dragon Age 2 is a pretty cool guy. eh ARE the mole and doesnt afraid of anything.

what is with the arby n the chief references?

[Sable Rhapsody]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Since DA2 uses a framed narrative and spans 10 years, there will be a lot things happening off screen and the story the Narrator tells might not be what really happened.

I think it would be really cool if there was a plot twist where Hawke actually did things quite differently from what the public knows. For example, let's say in a spy story you're searching for a mole and in the end in turns out you ARE the mole, just that things happened off screen that the player knows nothing about (I know this sounds stupid written like this, but it would be really cool if executed/directed well)

I'm going to have to disagree with the offscreen plot twist for one major reason: it cuts out player agency.  The twists in KOTOR, BG, JE, and arguably the ME games were things that the main character could not conceivably influence or change.  It might throw the player for a loop, but it doesn't limit player agency any more than the normal boundaries of a game do.  However, Hawke doing something twist-y off-screen would be like if the Dark Ritual in DA:O happened offscreen without the player's knowledge, consent, or approval.  If the twist is something your CHARACTER could conceivably influence, doing it off-screen risks breaking player immersion--if it's something your character would never do--and reduces player choice, one of the key components to an RPG.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 31 juillet 2010 - 09:57 .

[triggerhappy456]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Hawke is a Fake Ultimate Hero. Bethany actually did everything.

I wasn´t impressed with Kotor. I was spoiled, but the first thing I thought when i read it was if hitting Palpatine hard enough on the head and Jedi brainwashing would give him a clean slate. Dark Side felt like corrupting one´s very soul in the movies.
JE however...what seemed like little mistakes were revealed to be part of an almost perfect plan. Still my favorite plot twist.

you could still be evil in kotor, which i thought made the plot twist even cooler
made it alot more fun in korriban, telling uthar i was revan and then him promising to serve me
jade empires plot twist was probably the best one in any bioware game though, just replaying it and there are all the little details which fit in really well

[Tinxa]

I'm really hoping they don't spoil too much in the trailers. They could have easily kept the Cailan death and Loghain as the villain secret but one trailer even showed the Landsmeet and fight with Loghain which happens very late in the game. Even though they wouldn't necessarily be big twists like in kotor they ruined a lot of cool little surprises in the trailers.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Tinxa wrote...

I'm really hoping they don't spoil too much in the trailers. They could have easily kept the Cailan death and Loghain as the villain secret but one trailer even showed the Landsmeet and fight with Loghain which happens very late in the game. Even though they wouldn't necessarily be big twists like in kotor they ruined a lot of cool little surprises in the trailers.

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but Loghain's betrayal was far from a spoiler for me.  Same with Howe's general d-baggery, which wasn't in any trailer.  I just kind of looked at them and went, "Well, you're ugly and everyone else is pretty, and you're old and bitter.  Yep, I'm going to be killing you in the end-game!" 

[Kaiser Shepard]

Slidell505 wrote...

Superior plot twist.

This.

Sadly, most of the whiners who can't appreciate a good story even if it was shoved right in their face would complain, because then it wouldn't be "their Hawke". Probably the same people who couldn't appreciate the endings of Shadow of the Colossus or the recent Prince of Persia (the 2008 one), but also don't see how Hawke will be no less "their character" than the Warden, Revan or Gorion's Ward.

[Tinxa]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

I'm really hoping they don't spoil too much in the trailers. They could have easily kept the Cailan death and Loghain as the villain secret but one trailer even showed the Landsmeet and fight with Loghain which happens very late in the game. Even though they wouldn't necessarily be big twists like in kotor they ruined a lot of cool little surprises in the trailers.

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but Loghain's betrayal was far from a spoiler for me.  Same with Howe's general d-baggery, which wasn't in any trailer.  I just kind of looked at them and went, "Well, you're ugly and everyone else is pretty, and you're old and bitter.  Yep, I'm going to be killing you in the end-game!" 

Well the human origin trailer showed "an attack" and then screenshots where the enemies were called "Howe soldier" started showing up and I put the two together  and was not happy about it. I didn't get the obvious big bad vibes from those two at least not when all it was shown was Howe talking to Bryce Cousland and Loghain the war meeting.
I was very envious when I watched my boyfriend (who knew nothing about the game) play and he was shocked to see Jory and Daveth get killed and Cailan's death (he was convinced the plot would revolve around helping Cailan) and Loghain's betrayal. The first few hours were a rollercoaster for him . I felt that they didn't need to put all that in trailers just so they had enough action in them. The kotor twist wouldn't be as powerfull if they showed a default PC taking down the revan mask in the trailer.

[TheMadCat]

You get to the end and the Dwarf telling the story bursts out laughing, telling the women everything he had said was a lie and there is no Hawke.

[BlackyBlack]

BioWare has yet to make a better twist than KOTOR's

[RevengeofNewton]

The Maker a powerful mage at the head of the Black City and is invading Thedas with darkspawn.