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[Custodire]

 I'm replaying Dragon Age: Origins, and I find myself wondering about alot of the NPC characters I encounter and how they'd fair as playable Companions.

So, my question is: if you could replace the eight Companions (excluding Dog) with non-recruitable characters from the Origins and Awakening, who would you pick? Try stay within reason, both system-wise and for canon, if you can (so no High Dragon).

I can't really think of any Awakening NPCs who jumped out at me, so my list is as following:

Ser Otto (dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ser_Otto): Templar, Weapon + Shield tank, to serve as anchor for the team.

Lanaya (dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lanaya): Keeper/ Spirit Healer. Origins' lack of a Dalish companion was rectified in Awakening, but I still found Lanaya a compelling character. As a fairly recent addition to the Dalish clan, it'd be interesting to see how she reacts to the world at large.

Ser Cauthrien (dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ser_Cauthrien): Two-Handed weapons. A stern, loyal and noble warrior who added alot to the game, despite her short presence.

Mithra (dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mithra): Archery Rogue. Because she's about the only interesting rogue type I can think of in the game, apart from Isabella.

The Withered (dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Withered): Weapon + Shield tank (Beserker)? It'd be nice to have the Architect lend me one of his cronies.

Isabella (dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Isabela) Duellist Rogue. Since we're losing Zevran, we need a bit of flourish. How about the Queen of the Eastern Seas?

Kardol (dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Kardol) Weapon + Shield tank. You already talk him into assisting you, so why not?

The Lady of the Forest (dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lady_of_the_Forest) Shapeshifter mage. Could play a similar role to Justice.

I wanted to add Sketch to the team, but I suppose he's a playable character. Alas. Close on the list was that Dwarf from Awakening who likes to play with explosives, and any NPC that promises to kill Sandal.

Modifié par Custodire, 31 juillet 2010 - 03:48 .

[Sarah1281]

You want to kill Sandal?!?!

[mousestalker]

Shianni. She wields a mean bottle.

[_purifico_]

1. Gorim - shield warrior, champion - romancable, dammit!
2. Bann Teagan - same as above, but maybe (for the sake of diversity) with a bow instead
3. Jowan - blood mage, obviously
4. Zathrian - mage, spirit healer most likely as there is no keeper spec in the origins
5. Ser Otto/Commander Gregoir - shield warrior, templar (duh)
6. Shiani - rogue-archer
7. Kardol as an Oghren substitute, so either greatswords or dual-wielding warrior
and the last but definetely not the least
8. DUNCAN! as an awesome bearded dual-wielding rogue father-figure


On a side-note, I would definitely make them all romancable.

Also, never understood other people's fascination with Ser Cauthrien. I didn't find her character even remotely interesting. She made two grave mistakes: chose a wrong master and stood in the way of my warden, thus  - R.I.P.

Modifié par _purifico_, 31 juillet 2010 - 02:48 .

[Sarah1281]

_purifico_ wrote...

1. Gorim - shield warrior, champion - romancable, dammit!

This.

[rak72]

_purifico_ wrote...

Also, never understood other people's fascination with Ser Cauthrien. I didn't find her character even remotely interesting. She made two grave mistakes: chose a wrong master and stood in the way of my warden, thus  - R.I.P.

She sealed her fate with me with her line about bowing to your  betters, or whatever it was.

[Sarah1281]

Why do people like Cauthrien? The same reason they get so attached to Mhairi, I guess: the rarity of female warriors.

[_purifico_]

rak72 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

Also, never understood other people's fascination with Ser Cauthrien. I didn't find her character even remotely interesting. She made two grave mistakes: chose a wrong master and stood in the way of my warden, thus  - R.I.P.

She sealed her fate with me with her line about bowing to your  betters, or whatever it was.

Oh yeah, so much this.  I made her eat those words. Now she's in hell with her precious Loghain.

Modifié par _purifico_, 31 juillet 2010 - 04:32 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Cauthrien never makes it out alive from the Arl's palace.

Dumb cow gets what she deserves.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Cauthrien never makes it out alive from the Arl's palace.
Dumb cow gets what she deserves.

Why? Because she tries to arrest you for a murder you did commit? 

[Giggles_Manically]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Cauthrien never makes it out alive from the Arl's palace.
Dumb cow gets what she deserves.

Why? Because she tries to arrest you for a murder you did commit? 

Mainly because:
She blindly follows Loghain and takes until the end to have any doubts
I didnt murder Howe, he hit me first so SELF DEFENSE
So is a bit rude, so points off.
Overall I hate her, and feel that she was just their for an generic villian. No depth, no real development, and just a second rate foe.

Also I dont like her face.

[rak72]

That wasn't murder, it was vigilane justice that was needed because the authorities (ie Cauthrian) weren't doing their job.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Cauthrien never makes it out alive from the Arl's palace.
Dumb cow gets what she deserves.

Why? Because she tries to arrest you for a murder you did commit? 

Well, you could also put a different spin on it, you did everyone a service by putting an end to a house of torture.

It's like that prisoner in Fort Drakon says, "Who calls that a crime? More like a community service."

EDIT: I do have to say that her speech prior to the Landsmeet (which you only get if you get yourself imprisoned) almost convinced me to go that route to keep her alive. But nah, it would completely out of character for my Warden to voluntarily go to prison, especially when the people arresting you are those that have been trying to kill you through the entire game.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:10 .

[Sarah1281]

Yes, he attacked you first when you invaded his home and slaughtered his guards. Just because he was a monster does not mean his death wasn't murder. You did not have a legal right to kill an Arl. You did so anyway. You may have seen it as necessary and an act of vigilantism but it is still murder. As an officer of the law, she was within her rights to try to arrest you for your unlawful actions. You can choose not to go along because you feel you'll never get out of Fort Drakon and the regent wants you dead but that does not mean that her actions in that circumstance were wrong.

[Giggles_Manically]

It was also payback for human nobles on the man who killed their famalies and friends:

[Zjarcal]

As for the actual topic, let me think...



Jowan

Shianni

Bann Teagan

Isabella

Cauthrien (If she could've been conscripted I'd have done it)

Kardol

Lady of the Forest



I'm not really trying to fill any roles with that list, just NPCs that I liked. Party symmetry isn't important to me (I never have a tank in my party for instance).

[Giggles_Manically]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yes, he attacked you first when you invaded his home and slaughtered his guards. Just because he was a monster does not mean his death wasn't murder. You did not have a legal right to kill an Arl. You did so anyway. You may have seen it as necessary and an act of vigilantism but it is still murder. As an officer of the law, she was within her rights to try to arrest you for your unlawful actions. You can choose not to go along because you feel you'll never get out of Fort Drakon and the regent wants you dead but that does not mean that her actions in that circumstance were wrong.

Ah well its not like most things the warden does are legal:
Crow Quest line
Killing off Haven
Threating Tempalrs and others
The Denerim quests outside of the Chantry ones
MAges Collective

The Warden isint on a moral high road but neither is Howe. We are doing another Arl's bidding here though so we are roughly in the same right as Howe.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yes, he attacked you first when you invaded his home and slaughtered his guards. Just because he was a monster does not mean his death wasn't murder. You did not have a legal right to kill an Arl. You did so anyway. You may have seen it as necessary and an act of vigilantism but it is still murder. As an officer of the law, she was within her rights to try to arrest you for your unlawful actions. You can choose not to go along because you feel you'll never get out of Fort Drakon and the regent wants you dead but that does not mean that her actions in that circumstance were wrong.

From a lawful point of view, that is 100% correct.

But to be honest, I couldn't care less about the law. Vigilante Justice baby!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:15 .

[Sarah1281]

Seriously, the 'self-defense' argument is complete and utter BS. It's like if you broke into someone's house (and you did) and the owner of said house tried to kill you after you killed their guard dog (also self-defense, of course) and you killed them instead. People will still show up to arrest you for murder and 'self-defense' wouldn't hold up in court. Just because you had a damn good reason TO kill him even without being a HN or CE aware of what happened in the Alienage does not mean that it is not murder. Just because no one liked him and the world is a better place without him does not mean it is not murder. It does mean that if there were a trial that this would all be taken into account and you'd get a less harsh sentence but given that you broke the law to do so someone trying to enforce the law as Cauthrien was is NOT the bad guy here and shouldn't die for doing her goddamn job. In the real world, wiping her and her men out for trying to arrest you would make you a cop killer.

[Zjarcal]

EDIT: Damn, double post....

Modifié par Zjarcal, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:15 .

[rak72]

Bernhard Goetz

[Giggles_Manically]

Sadly Sarah, Ferelden is Medieval law, not modern law.



If Eamon tells someone to do something, then that makes it pretty much clear and good in Ferelden. Lords and Ladies have power to run rough shod on whatever they like including people.



Cauthrien is a naive fool, and when I end her life for going toe-to-toe with the warden I didnt mourn her loss. We both were following orders from a medieval lord, meaning we both were following orders, sadly she paid the price.

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yes, he attacked you first when you invaded his home and slaughtered his guards. Just because he was a monster does not mean his death wasn't murder. You did not have a legal right to kill an Arl. You did so anyway. You may have seen it as necessary and an act of vigilantism but it is still murder. As an officer of the law, she was within her rights to try to arrest you for your unlawful actions. You can choose not to go along because you feel you'll never get out of Fort Drakon and the regent wants you dead but that does not mean that her actions in that circumstance were wrong.

From a lawful point of view, that is 100% correct.

But to be honest, I couldn't care less about the law... 

I'm not even remotely defending Howe or saying that the Warden is a law-abiding citizen (although, seriously, just because Eamon tells you to doesn't make it legal). I just hate how people insist that Cauthrien deserves to die for attempting to do her job and enforce the law. You might view it as necessary to prevent Loghain from having you quietly killed in prison but she hardly 'has it coming.' And no, insulting you by calling you a churl doesn't mean she has it coming either.

[Giggles_Manically]

I take a very Sagacious Zu mentality to foes.



If they are dumb enough to fight me, after a warning then they die.



Also Sarah Medieval law, is completly on the whim of lords, and a joke. There is no right or wrong in this case, only who can kill the other.

[rak72]

Pleeez Cauthrian doing a good job? Log & Cauth knew for over a year that Howe slaughtered the Couslands, yet they allow him to go on his merry way tourturing/killing more people. Then Log gives you some crap at the landsmeet that he should have gone in front of the Senechal? If Cauth was doing such a stellar job, the PC would not have had to break into his house to save the queen.