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[SometimesSpring]

 So I've finished my solo Blade in a record time of just 3 days (I have a fractured femur and I'm in bed for 6 weeks with nothing to do but read books and go on my lappie) and I started a Monk solo.

Vehan Ragefist
Human
Lawful Neutral
STR: 17
DEX: 19
CON: 16
INT: 16 (for fighting Illithids)
WIS: 11
CHA: 10

Decent roll, took about 20 minutes to get it.

Couple of strategy questions.

Mages: How the hell do I remove stoneskins, PFMW, Absolute Immunities, etc. from an enemy mage (or enemy mage's ally)? Basically need a Breach/Spellstrike/Dispel Magic kind of thing from an item is my guess, but what item would that be if any? Otherwise, how do I go about tackling these ba***rds?

Dragons: Similarly, need a Breach kind of thing to remove their Stoneskins. MR and Hardiness should help me out here along with those two.

Summons: What can I use to summon besides the Horn of Valhalla and Spider Figurine?

Liches: Kangaxx would be Sling of Everard and for regular liches, other cheese (Pf Undead scroll) as I see no alternative.

Anything else I should know about soloing a Monk would be helpful. All tips welcome, esp. from those who have done this before. If absolutely required, I will take in Edwin as a support system but that is my ABSOLUTE LAST CHOICE.

Help a temporarily disabled lad would ya? 

[Irrbloss]

SometimesSpring wrote...

Mages: How the hell do I remove stoneskins, PFMW, Absolute Immunities, etc. from an enemy mage (or enemy mage's ally)? Basically need a Breach/Spellstrike/Dispel Magic kind of thing from an item is my guess, but what item would that be if any? Otherwise, how do I go about tackling these ba***rds?

Dragons: Similarly, need a Breach kind of thing to remove their Stoneskins. MR and Hardiness should help me out here along with those two.

If you install Refinements or Oversight you can get a whole bunch of new HLAs, among which one functions a bit like Breach. You still have nothing until you get HLAs, but that should take too long if you are solo. You can also just kick, punch and wait your way through.

Summons: What can I use to summon besides the Horn of Valhalla and Spider Figurine?

Ras essentially gives you a Mordenkainen's Sword once per day. It's for sale in Trademeet.

Modifié par Irrbloss, 31 juillet 2010 - 02:14 .

[SometimesSpring]

Sweet Irrbloss, thanks for the heads up on the Ras, it totally slipped my mind (partially because I've never used it).



As for Oversight, I'm not too far in so I wouldn't mind starting over if I have to but I do have some other mods installed, specifically the Gibberlings Fixpack, Dungeon-Be-Gone, the Gibberlings Tweakpack and Bigg's Tweakpack. Can I put the HLA component on top of these mods?

[Carinna]

Not a monk, but I recently ran a solo berzerker through SoA. I handled the mages' spell triggers (which zapped all that protection on them) by just showing my face to trigger them and then going to do something else for a few moments. All that (except stoneskin) wears off in a relatively short time. Stoneskin you'll just have to whack through but it doesn't last forever when you start hitting on it (and dragons go down quickly once it wears off the same as mages).   This worked for liches as well; they don't start following you right away and you can be well out of sight so they completely waste their time stop.  Maze and imprisonment are a little more difficult to escape (my berzerker had a built-in defense; possibly the monk does also?)  I had kitthix and the horn of valhalla but never ended up using them; however you could absorb maze/imprisonment this way.   For kangaxx I just used a scroll of magic protection and let him cast away.  Prot. from undead against him doesn't work well as he needs to give a speech in the middle of his attack and won't if you are protected from undead.

Modifié par Carinna, 31 juillet 2010 - 03:57 .

[Irrbloss]

SometimesSpring wrote...

As for Oversight, I'm not too far in so I wouldn't mind starting over if I have to but I do have some other mods installed, specifically the Gibberlings Fixpack, Dungeon-Be-Gone, the Gibberlings Tweakpack and Bigg's Tweakpack. Can I put the HLA component on top of these mods?

I would recommend Refinements over Oversight. Especially since you are solo. But yes, you can install the HLA components of either mod on top of your current mods.

Carinna wrote...

Maze and imprisonment are a little more difficult to escape (my berzerker had a built-in defense; possibly the monk does also?)

They do; 100% MR.

[Thrar]

Irrbloss wrote...

Carinna wrote...

Maze and imprisonment are a little more difficult to escape (my berzerker had a built-in defense; possibly the monk does also?)

They do; 100% MR.

Not quite, MR doesn't protect against imprisonment (neither regular nor the one Kangaxx does). However, imprisonment has a long casting time (a whole round I think) so you could run off when they start casting it.

To get through their combat protections, you can get a wand of spell striking from Watcher's keep (level 2 I believe). Once your hide skills are high enough, going through level 1 shouldn't be impossible I think, it just takes patience while you hit and run around the corners.

[Shadow_Leech07]

SometimesSpring wrote...

Mages: How the hell do I remove stoneskins, PFMW, Absolute Immunities, etc. from an enemy mage (or enemy mage's ally)? Basically need a Breach/Spellstrike/Dispel Magic kind of thing from an item is my guess, but what item would that be if any? Otherwise, how do I go about tackling these ba***rds?

There is an item but it's towards the very end of the game in the smuggler's cave, called the rod of something...bah it's in my solo fighter thread. When all else fails just GWW the stoneskins off.

Liches: Kangaxx would be Sling of Everard and for regular liches, other cheese (Pf Undead scroll) as I see no alternative.

Regular liches you should have no problem with. Kangaxx and that demi-lich in watcher's keep if you choose to fight him will throw out cheap imprisonment spells out of the can. There's nothing you can do about this except throw up protection from magic scroll. Magic resistance and saves will do nothing against this cheap attack, I know from experience.

Anything else I should know about soloing a Monk would be helpful. All tips welcome, esp. from those who have done this before. If absolutely required, I will take in Edwin as a support system but that is my ABSOLUTE LAST CHOICE.

Soloing a monk seems like it would be difficult but I hear that the stunning blow thing is pretty good. Might want to spam that.

[SometimesSpring]

Thanks all for the brilliant replies. I've started implementing Carinna's show-and-run tactics against mages. Another thing I am going to do is find a throwing dagger or dart that does fire/cold/acid/poison damage and use that to disrupt spellcasters and break through Stoneskin. All else can be waited out.



I'll keep Shadow_Leech07's PFM scroll tip in mind when fighting Kangaxx and the WK demilich.



As for the HLAs, I've installed Refinements over me current installation with no issue.



Thanks for the help folks, I'll post again when I run into a wall (which I'm sure I will).

[SometimesSpring]

Meh, so it's not progressing well. Rather I should say it is, but it's not that fun. All I get to do is punch and kick stuff. No spells, no wands, no nothing. Just kick, punch, next enemy. I know the monk is insanely powerful once you hit level 20 or so, and I'm already at level 19. Despite the Quivering Palm and Stunning Blow, things are quite mundane. I'm hoping this changes once I get access to my HLAs, which usually perks things up for any class. I'm considering either ditching the whole thing in favor of an elven Priest of Lathander or a half-orc/dwarven Fighter/Cleric multi-class. It's just too boring, and I know vampires are going to rape me worse than a proctologist. The monk really should have had turn undead and some minor priest spells (3 per level, upto level 4). With only his fists and nothing else, the monk gets monotonous too quickly. I don't really care about doing a regular 30+ hit if it's not fun or if that's all I can do. Monks are too one-track...



Any way to spice up playing a solo monk or am I looking at a new character AGAIN? =|

[Irrbloss]

SometimesSpring wrote...

Any way to spice up playing a solo monk or am I looking at a new character AGAIN? =|

That's warriors for you. If you aren't enjoying yourself now I doubt it'll get any more fun as you progress.

[Dante2377]

Irrbloss wrote...

SometimesSpring wrote...

Any way to spice up playing a solo monk or am I looking at a new character AGAIN? =|

That's warriors for you. If you aren't enjoying yourself now I doubt it'll get any more fun as you progress.

If you have the Oversight HLAs installed (or Refinements, i just haven't used that one), once you get them it adds quite a few options to higher-level combat, including a method to protect yourself from level drain.  I'd recommend it highly as the default Fighter HLAs aren't monk-flavored at all.

Remember that your monks are faster than everyone and can Hide in Shadows, which at level 19 or 20 should be automatic.  This gives you a TON of hit and run options.

Modifié par Dante2377, 01 août 2010 - 10:37 .

[SometimesSpring]

Irrbloss wrote...

That's warriors for you. If you aren't enjoying yourself now I doubt it'll get any more fun as you progress.

Heh, and to think that just a few short months ago I was a staunch advocate of pure melee over spellcasting. It's surprising what soloing a sorcerer can do to that kind of mindset. 

Dante2377 wrote...

Remember that your monks are faster than everyone and can Hide in Shadows, which at level 19 or 20 should be automatic.  This gives you a TON of hit and run options.

Hit and run is not my game, unless I'm playing a Sin, in which case I can look forward to some fun cheese with UAI and setting spike traps, which make the first 3m XP worth the slow progression. Plus all that XP from thieving helps it along well.

I gave up on the monk. Made a half-elf cleric/ranger, the first time I'm playing this build. A good mix of melee, ranged attacks (sling), and spellcasting, which may be slow but uninterrupted thanks to Ironskin. Changed the paperdoll from Male Fighter Elf to Male Cleric Elf just because I feel he's more a priest than a woodsman (and it looks cooler when you wear armor IMO 

[Slyx]

I played a solo monk to 19 or so as well, and I started getting bored. It was very repetitive, and in many ways too easy.



Another once-a-day summoning item, which you may have missed the chance at already, is that bottle from the Genie outside the Genie tent at Trademeet. You can either pickpocket the bottle from him (borrow Jan or something) or just kill him (turning the inside Genie's hostile) and take it from him that way. It summons an Efreeti once a day. The Efreeti has like 20 strength, and a handful of arcane/divine spells at its disposal.

[redelephant]

If you're high enough monk.... Will you become immune to Time Stop as a monk, like Balthazar?

[Humanoid_Taifun]

@redelephant: Not without mods. "Oversight" adds new HLAs to replace the standard fighter HLAs that the monks use normally. The new HLAs are based on what you've seen from Balthazar. This includes a skill that, once activated, makes you immune to Time Stop (and other things) for a short while.

[redelephant]

That is... cool!

[Biotic_Warlock]

Carinna wrote...

Not a monk, but I recently ran a solo berzerker through SoA. I handled the mages' spell triggers (which zapped all that protection on them) by just showing my face to trigger them and then going to do something else for a few moments. All that (except stoneskin) wears off in a relatively short time. Stoneskin you'll just have to whack through but it doesn't last forever when you start hitting on it (and dragons go down quickly once it wears off the same as mages).   This worked for liches as well; they don't start following you right away and you can be well out of sight so they completely waste their time stop.  Maze and imprisonment are a little more difficult to escape (my berzerker had a built-in defense; possibly the monk does also?)

Beserker is immune to imprisonment mid-rage; idk if it's same for barbarian because the descriptions are not the same.

Also i use the time-stop/defence timeout trolling against irenicus all the time.
Funny as hell.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Barbarians and Minsc are not protected from Imprisonment by their rage. The AI does not know this though and thus usually does not target them.