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[Annoyed Dragon]

Hello everyone, I hear a lot of discussion regarding if Morrigans child from the dark ritual will be in DA2. But no one appears to discuss if the father of the child will have a impact on the story (unless it’s in a post I haven't seen)

I would think this would have affect; considering of the three possibilities:

1 Alistair: Heir to the throne & templar.

2 Loghain: Hero of previous war & father to previous/current queen.

3 Your Warden: Hero who ended the Blight & the Origin Story (A lot of possibilities with this one)

Now regarding Flemeth’s return, we all knew this was going to happen since she was a too powerful character to kill off; as well as her connection to the history of Fereldan. But what about what the possibilities of how she returns?

1 Her dead body some how comes back to life & becomes younger. 

2 Some mage approached her dead body and was possessed by her, this seems the most likely possibility if you killed her.

3 If you didn't kill Flemeth in DA; then she took over Morrigans body, but what would happen if she was pregnant with the child from the ritual? 

I would welcome people’s opinions regarding these; as well as any info the staff of Bioware is willing to give.  

Modifié par Annoyed Dragon, 31 juillet 2010 - 02:24 .

[JasonPogo]

Yes but Morrigan TELLS you the father will never have any contact with the child and that she will not tell the child about the father.

[Brockololly]

And it was supposed to be an impossible task to stop the Blight too... If the Plot Hammer demands it, the Father will meet back up with the OGB.



And for what its worth, if you look in the DA toolset, in the scripts under party camp in cam900ar_endgame, you have this line: "All of these flags' original values are stored in "prcpt_postgame" for checking later" followed by every flag regarding the DR and who performed it.

So it seems to me that the DR in some way will be followed up, whether thats in DLC or an expack for Origins or in DA2 or beyond. The variables are clearly being saved for later.

[Annoyed Dragon]

That's true, but it won't prevent the child when he/she are older or Morrigan to use that for their advantage for example if the child is Alistairs it would be heir to the throne.:innocent: 

[Brockololly]

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

That's true, but it won't prevent the child when he/she are older or Morrigan to use that for their advantage for example if the child is Alistairs it would be heir to the throne.:innocent: 

Whatever may or may not be planned for the potential OGB, I'd think it would involve larger ambitions than simply taking the throne of a backwater country....

[captain.subtle]

Brockololly wrote...

And it was supposed to be an impossible task to stop the Blight too... If the Plot Hammer demands it, the Father will meet back up with the OGB.

And for what its worth, if you look in the DA toolset, in the scripts under party camp in cam900ar_endgame, you have this line: "All of these flags' original values are stored in "prcpt_postgame" for checking later" followed by every flag regarding the DR and who performed it.
So it seems to me that the DR in some way will be followed up, whether thats in DLC or an expack for Origins or in DA2 or beyond. The variables are clearly being saved for later.

Smart.... .
So if it is of that importance, I think its only slated for a cameo in the GAMES at least considering there is a possibility to avoid it entirely...

[Brockololly]

captain.subtle wrote...

Smart.... .
So if it is of that importance, I think its only slated for a cameo in the GAMES at least considering there is a possibility to avoid it entirely...

Well, Gaider has mentioned the DR choice is the biggest one in Origins- and the flags seen in the toolset track whether you did the Ritual, whether Loghain or Alisair know about the OGB and all that. So the OGB won't be canon, but either way I'm hoping that choice results in more than just a cameo down the road.

I'm just thinking your choice in the DR should result in a wildly divergent path- on one hand all the Wardens survive and you get an Old God Baby, yet on the other hand some Warden dies and you end up with a pissed off Morrigan storming off to do who knows what. Just because Morrigan didn't get the Old God baby doesn't mean she won't play a role in the future somehow- perhaps she resorts to some other crazier plan if you didn't do the DR?

[ashwind]

JasonPogo wrote...

Yes but Morrigan TELLS you the father will never have any contact with the child and that she will not tell the child about the father.

Nobody should believe what Morrigan says - not in entirety at least. She is 80% lies, maybe more.

For all we know, she is actually Flemeth and now she has the soul of an archdemon.

[Melmo44]

Brockololly wrote...

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

That's true, but it won't prevent the child when he/she are older or Morrigan to use that for their advantage for example if the child is Alistairs it would be heir to the throne.:innocent: 

Whatever may or may not be planned for the potential OGB, I'd think it would involve larger ambitions than simply taking the throne of a backwater country....

I could see this happening if perhaps it was part of a larger plan somehow. As a means to an end, not the end itself, because I agree with you that Morrigan is looking at a bigger picture than the throne of Ferelden. Or perhaps a distraction, a fight over succession to destabilize the power base of the country long enough to put something into motion? I dunno, but it's an interesting idea.

[Brockololly]

Melmo44 wrote...

I could see this happening if perhaps it was part of a larger plan somehow. As a means to an end, not the end itself, because I agree with you that Morrigan is looking at a bigger picture than the throne of Ferelden. Or perhaps a distraction, a fight over succession to destabilize the power base of the country long enough to put something into motion? I dunno, but it's an interesting idea.

Given how Laidlaw mentioned in the DA2 preview on Joystiq how the world is on the brink of war and the Chantry is falling to pieces 10 years out from Origins, I'd guess that maybe Flemeth, Morrigan and the OGB may have something to do with that....

[SirOccam]

Brockololly wrote...

Melmo44 wrote...

I could see this happening if perhaps it was part of a larger plan somehow. As a means to an end, not the end itself, because I agree with you that Morrigan is looking at a bigger picture than the throne of Ferelden. Or perhaps a distraction, a fight over succession to destabilize the power base of the country long enough to put something into motion? I dunno, but it's an interesting idea.

Given how Laidlaw mentioned in the DA2 preview on Joystiq how the world is on the brink of war and the Chantry is falling to pieces 10 years out from Origins, I'd guess that maybe Flemeth, Morrigan and the OGB may have something to do with that....

The only thing is that it's made out to sound like it was Hawke's actions that led to this situation...if it were all about Flemeth, Morrigan, and the baby, it would be more like the Warden's actions. I don't doubt that at least Flemeth will have a hand in it, but I'm not so sure Morrigan or the baby will even be in the game at all.

[Brockololly]

I'd guess Flemeth may have a Kreia like role with Hawke.

And as for Morrigan not appearing in DA2- its possible, however it would be baffling to me that we don't see Morrigan until DA3 or whatever considering she is the big loose end from Origins and the devs have said ad nauseum that her story is not over yet.

I'd personally hope for an expack for Morrigan and the Warden, but who knows...

[Lord Gremlin]

Look Hawke meets Flemeth in the beginning of DA2 which takes place before she was killed by the Warden. She seems to be able to alter her physical appearance.

[wicked_being]

Flemeth has the power to predict the future right? So I guess everything's according to her plan...meeting Hawke, being killed/ let go by the Warden and having the OGB conceived by Morrigan. Makes you wonder what her plan really is.

[captain.subtle]

Brockololly wrote...
Well, Gaider has mentioned the DR choice is the biggest one in Origins- and the flags seen in the toolset track whether you did the Ritual, whether Loghain or Alisair know about the OGB and all that. So the OGB won't be canon, but either way I'm hoping that choice results in more than just a cameo down the road.

I'm just thinking your choice in the DR should result in a wildly divergent path- on one hand all the Wardens survive and you get an Old God Baby, yet on the other hand some Warden dies and you end up with a pissed off Morrigan storming off to do who knows what. Just because Morrigan didn't get the Old God baby doesn't mean she won't play a role in the future somehow- perhaps she resorts to some other crazier plan if you didn't do the DR?

The argument is sound. The problem is that if the Choice is so divergent, you would have to make 2 games on them, based on each. Here where I think that only one of them is continuable. The OGB one. The other is much less interesting comparitively.

[Behindyounow]

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

3 If you didn't kill Flemeth in DA; then she took over Morrigans body, but what would happen if she was pregnant with the child from the ritual? 

Flemeth would gain no new powers from possessing the OGB. It's the soul that makes it special, not the body.

[Brockololly]

captain.subtle wrote...

The argument is sound. The problem is that if the Choice is so divergent, you would have to make 2 games on them, based on each. Here where I think that only one of them is continuable. The OGB one. The other is much less interesting comparitively.

Thats my big problem with so many of the choices in BioWare games- they're either shoved in at the end of the game so you don't see the consequences or you end up with a ME2 scenario where the choices from ME1 are marginalized and written off as being inconsequential given the passage of time. Maybe DA2 with the 10 year timespan will do better in this regard...

[Annoyed Dragon]

Behindyounow wrote...

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

3 If you didn't kill Flemeth in DA; then she took over Morrigans body, but what would happen if she was pregnant with the child from the ritual? 

Flemeth would gain no new powers from possessing the OGB. It's the soul that makes it special, not the body.

True but don't forget it was in Flemeth who orginally planned for OGB baby to be conceived, what was she planning to do with the child?

[Behindyounow]

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

3 If you didn't kill Flemeth in DA; then she took over Morrigans body, but what would happen if she was pregnant with the child from the ritual? 

Flemeth would gain no new powers from possessing the OGB. It's the soul that makes it special, not the body.

True but don't forget it was in Flemeth who orginally planned for OGB baby to be conceived, what was she planning to do with the child?

Use him to revive old god worship and overthrow the Chantry? I haven't a clue.

[deathcatch-22]

I can understand that BW wants to shape the thedas by our decisions.i am okay with that but if BW can't handle these billion possibilities and our decisions like OGB one- i.e. god-child just disappears or just seen as side quest- i'd be very disappointed. The importance of god-child is huge to me, i believe to thedas too. I hope BW can handle that well. I don't want to see the consequences of da:o & da:a in da:2 like in me2. They must mean something

[Brockololly]

Right- if they're going to offer a big huge choice like the DR and the OGB, then we should get big, huge consequences for that action. Otherwise, whats the point of it all?

[Annoyed Dragon]

Brockololly wrote...

Melmo44 wrote...

I could see this happening if perhaps it was part of a larger plan somehow. As a means to an end, not the end itself, because I agree with you that Morrigan is looking at a bigger picture than the throne of Ferelden. Or perhaps a distraction, a fight over succession to destabilize the power base of the country long enough to put something into motion? I dunno, but it's an interesting idea.

Given how Laidlaw mentioned in the DA2 preview on Joystiq how the world is on the brink of war and the Chantry is falling to pieces 10 years out from Origins, I'd guess that maybe Flemeth, Morrigan and the OGB may have something to do with that....

Maybe but remmeber the appearence of the OGB is optional for the Warden in DA1, though if it did exists it will add more detail to Flemeth's plans. 

[Brockololly]

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

Maybe but remmeber the appearence of the OGB is optional for the Warden in DA1, though if it did exists it will add more detail to Flemeth's plans. 

Of course the OGB is optional- however, regardless of what you do Morrigan survives and leaves to go do who knows what. Maybe the OGB is just a means to an end? I know some people think Morrigan may not show up in DA2, but I've got to think that if Flemeth is involved in some meaningful way, then Morrigan is likely involved too- and if thats the case, then at least for a good chunk of people who played Origins, she could have the OGB with her.

[deathcatch-22]

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Annoyed Dragon wrote...

3 If you didn't kill Flemeth in DA; then she took over Morrigans body, but what would happen if she was pregnant with the child from the ritual? 

Flemeth would gain no new powers from possessing the OGB. It's the soul that makes it special, not the body.

True but don't forget it was in Flemeth who orginally planned for OGB baby to be conceived, what was she planning to do with the child?

According to the tales, from the beginning Flemeth grows up a child, then posses her. I remember Morrigan said to me something like that, Flemeth wants me to reach my potential so that when she posses me she would be more powerful. Possessing her child not just give Flemeth long life span but also some powers according to child's level/power imo. if it is just about life span, what is the point of growing a child by herself. Just kidnap a young mage from the tower and posses her, right?

[deathcatch-22]

Brockololly wrote...

Right- if they're going to offer a big huge choice like the DR and the OGB, then we should get big, huge consequences for that action. Otherwise, whats the point of it all?

Who has a pure god-child nowadays, right?