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[Sandtigress]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Oh I love the Dalish, I can't imagine why more people don't play them. Maybe it's elf hate or something? Like I said I never finished the game and it has been awhile, but it seemed like even when I clicked on a tree in the city to start a conversation with her (I hated that conversation system by the way, one of the reasons I haven't finished Awakening yet even though there is a lot of good in it too), I had dialogue that specifically mentioned my views as a Dalish. In fact I didn't find Velanna nearly as b***** as everyone else on here does and I wondered if that was because my Warden was Dalish as well. I don't remember her saying anything nasty to him, but again I never finished so maybe I am missing some things. ^^ I had her in my party the whole time because I actually liked her (probably because I am biased for the Dalish though ).

Oh, interesting.  Alas, Kara won't actually recruit Velanna, I know that already. She's not going to risk Keeper lore to the Joining, and will send Velanna packing to the clans.

I love the Dalish too, they absolutely fascinate me.  I think a disconnect with the origin is the main reason for the lack of play - it seems to be one you either love or hate with very little inbetween emotion.  Which makes me sad.  Which is one reason why I committed myself to what will probably be a monstrous fic that explores the Dalish culture and what it means to be Dalish.  I hope to convert the world to Dalish love!!

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

Do you know how happy you've made me? I haven't run my canon Dalish through Awakening yet (might next week) but I'm told that Velanna has next to no recognition for a Dalish Warden. That Kara will be recognized is great!

OK, I have only played Awakening once and I didn't even finish it (I need to do that before Witch Hunt), BUT the Warden I did play Awakening with is who I would consider my canon character, if I had to consider any of my characters canon (I love them all), and he was Dalish. When he met Velanna she certainly did recognize him as Dalish and in fact had quite a lot to say about the fact that he was Dalish at their first meeting.

Well!  That's good.  Poor Kara has suffered from me wanting to make good story choices for her, and being my most favoritest canon ever, I've been agonizing over it.  That plus a shortage of time to play and migraines exacerbated by the game...she'll get there soon, I hope.

Thanks for that, very few people play Dalish it seems and so no one had discounted that rumor for me.

Yes, I got that far with Idun and Velanna says "I recognize you from the meeting of the clans."  After that her dialogue seemed very similar to the usual, but I didn't get too far.

[Sandtigress]

Ohhh Addai! Whenever you have the time, I'd love you opinion on Kara's dream in my latest update. I went digging through the toolset for some lines...would like to know your reaction to them!



I'm hoping it brings out the emotion of the Tamlen encounter, and that horrid line he yells in your video.

[Merilsell]

Sandtigress wrote...
I love the Dalish too, they absolutely fascinate me.  I think a disconnect with the origin is the main reason for the lack of play - it seems to be one you either love or hate with very little inbetween emotion.  Which makes me sad.  Which is one reason why I committed myself to what will probably be a monstrous fic that explores the Dalish culture and what it means to be Dalish.  I hope to convert the world to Dalish love!!

Same here. *points to signature* It will be even a 90 - 100 chapter monster and I'm proud to be one of the few who writes a serious Dalish-playthrough ficlet. No bunnies and rainbows in there because it's DA after all, but lots and lots of Dalish culture stuff. I just love that.

*gives Sandti a Dalish sister fistbump* 

[Giggles_Manically]

I liked playing as a Dalish.



When the Tamlen encounter happened I couldnt react.

Luckily I had a full party because I kept going "TAMLEN!?! WTH!"



The dialouge and encounter kicked me in the gut very hard. Literally I just sat there in shock.

[Merilsell]

Dare I point out that the Dalish origin was written by David Gaider?
So with this knowledge is anyone still surprised by the kick in the guts that the Tamlen encounter was? Anyone?

As for me, my brain fried for a few minutes, I was too shocked to game on. Seriously.

Modifié par Merilsell, 04 septembre 2010 - 03:36 .

[Giggles_Manically]

It was at that point that my Dalish said "NOW ITS PERSONAL!"



Then he cut loose and showed the spawn what he was really capable off.

[TanithAeyrs]

I had my Dalish warden planned out 8 months before the games release. The Dalish origin was the first one I played and is still my favorite (I've played all but Dwarf noble now - my avatar is from my next planned playthrough). Dalish lore facinates me and was part of my inspiration for my fanfic (Morrigan's comment to my Dalish warden that "some things are worth preserving" was the other big part of it).



In one part of my fic my Warden does meet her clan again and receives cautious treament - some of her clan members are glad to see her and some are very bitter about her living in the outside world. She ends up trying to explain to her clan members that Tamlen became a ghoul and that there was no choice but to kill him - her explaination is not well received by several clan members. I also tried to deal with the fact that she was accompanied by a "flat ear" (Zev was with her) and have this color the picture that her former family had of her.



For fanfic writers I think the Dalish origin gives us a lot more room to play with our characters because you (the writer) can decide what your Warden's clan was like - did they hate shem and ostracize elves who even spoke to them or were they more tolerant and possibly even willing to trade with shemlen if the opportunity arose? The whole backstory of lost lore, lost homeland and lost gods adds that much more depth to the story.



And yes, Merilsell, Gaider is the master of plot twists and personal tragedy for characters.

[Sandtigress]

dream_operator23 wrote...

I'd love to read a fic full of Dalish lore! XD I haven't written any fanfic for DA:O (though I have written fanfic for other fandoms before), but whenever I play a Dalish I always have this vivid story in my head. I actually like the disconnect between the Dalish origin and the rest of Ferelden. It really makes you feel like an outsider more than any other origin.

I always wonder what that week or two traveling alone with Duncan would be like. I'd suspect most Dalish wardens would be pretty depressed and feel out of their element after leaving their clan so suddenly. Not to mention that he/she would be getting sicker and sicker by the day. I know the game doesn't show this, but I suspect by the time they reach Ostagar the Dalish warden is probably on their last leg.

Well, if you're at all interested, here are my Fireside Tales.  It's also on the Creative Community forum if you'd prefer that to read in than fanfiction.net.  No obligations, I just don't have a nice signature tag like Mer does. 

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

Ohhh Addai! Whenever you have the time, I'd love you opinion on Kara's dream in my latest update. I went digging through the toolset for some lines...would like to know your reaction to them!

I'm hoping it brings out the emotion of the Tamlen encounter, and that horrid line he yells in your video.

Very nice.  You mean lines about the master telling Tamlen that the Warden ran and left him to die?  So that's where he got that idea.

I always go back to the YouTube commenter.  TOO FAR, ARCHDEMON.  TOO FAR.

[Addai]

Merilsell wrote...

Dare I point out that the Dalish origin was written by David Gaider?
So with this knowledge is anyone still surprised by the kick in the guts that the Tamlen encounter was? Anyone?

As for me, my brain fried for a few minutes, I was too shocked to game on. Seriously.

I did as well.  I sat staring at the screen for a while.

[Merilsell]

dream_operator23 wrote...

I'd love to read a fic full of Dalish lore! XD I haven't written any fanfic for DA:O (though I have written fanfic for other fandoms before), but whenever I play a Dalish I always have this vivid story in my head. I actually like the disconnect between the Dalish origin and the rest of Ferelden. It really makes you feel like an outsider more than any other origin.

Writing about Dalish is fun (as long it is treated seriously, I can't stand stories in which the Dalish Warden knows everything about Ferelden and is friend with every human in the instant) Alas there are too few good stories out there to read, so that's why I started to write my own. This is what intrigued my so on the Dalish origin. Most found it lacking and disconnected compared to the other origins but thinking about it some more, maybe it was done deliberately this way. After all you are an outsider, ripped off from the only world you know and thrown into one that is not your own. You are a foreigner and need to learn how to live out there. And most people of Ferelden have never seen a Dalish and rather think they are a myth to scare children. So it doesn't surprise they don't know the difference of a city and Dalish elf ...or quite don't care, because it's just an elf. In which cases Lenya likes points out it's just a human when they treat her like that ---with the pointy part of her blades.

I always wonder what that week or two traveling alone with Duncan would be like. I'd suspect most Dalish wardens would be pretty depressed and feel out of their element after leaving their clan so suddenly. Not to mention that he/she would be getting sicker and sicker by the day. I know the game doesn't show this, but I suspect by the time they reach Ostagar the Dalish warden is probably on their last leg.

Naturally I can only speak for my Lenya because with her I have the full story planned out/partly written down. She didn't want to leave her clan, even as she was forced to. Never ever. Duncan had to throw her over his shoulder and had to carry her screaming and kicking away from them. Hell she even bit him in the arms to run away but after a week or so she gave up, noticing that resisting is futile with that shem. Oh how she hated him. Duncan actually pressed the matter with walking night and day and only resting when really needed, sensing she was very sick. Upon reaching Ostagar and after the talk with glorious Cailan she broke down with high fever. Luckily Wynne found and healed her.  As for the Tamlen incident, Lenya definitely blamed herself. Completely. It's irrational maybe but that's how my Dalish girl is. She is a blast to write, actually...and so are the Dalish

[Addai]

dream_operator23 wrote...

I'd love to read a fic full of Dalish lore! XD I haven't written any fanfic for DA:O (though I have written fanfic for other fandoms before), but whenever I play a Dalish I always have this vivid story in my head. I actually like the disconnect between the Dalish origin and the rest of Ferelden. It really makes you feel like an outsider more than any other origin.

*points to signature*    Mine is a bit unusual and doesn't follow the game super closely because it was based on the Dalish mage mod.

I always wonder what that week or two traveling alone with Duncan would be like. I'd suspect most Dalish wardens would be pretty depressed and feel out of their element after leaving their clan so suddenly. Not to mention that he/she would be getting sicker and sicker by the day. I know the game doesn't show this, but I suspect by the time they reach Ostagar the Dalish warden is probably on their last leg.

I don't picture my DEF saying two words to Duncan the whole time.  She's very sick and pretty traumatized.  Duncan is also not the type to try to drag it out of you- he would have been respectful of the distance.  He also probably expected you to drop dead any minute.

[Sandtigress]

Kara left willingly with Duncan when told that protecting the clan as a Grey Warden was her duty now. She didn't want to leave, but agreed to do it out of duty to her clan. As such she was open with Duncan for awhile until the taint made her too ill to really spare the strength.

Ordinarily she would have been very wary of Duncan but she trusted Marethari's assurance that he was okay, and from there the natural Dalish need for lore kicked in.

[Giggles_Manically]

My Dalish Maheron just wanted to go since he blamed himself for Tamlen's "death".

He didnt want to stick around where he would remeber his friends death, and have it shoved in his face. He was sad to leave people behind, but between death and a life in the wide world he took the second.



He was happy to give the Dalish a home, but never felt like going back really. He wanted to see the world beyond, and did just that.

[Sandtigress]

Mine stays with the Wardens - as you say, she is too different to go back to the clans, though she is a welcome guest and maintains a good relationship with her people. She recognizes her remaining duty to the Grey Wardens, however, and so she continues to serve them as Warden Commander. Additionally she sees the benefits of a Dalish elf ruling in Ferelden lands - if she does a good job at it then it's further protection for the sovereignty of her people in the Hinterlands because the Ferelden people might learn not to fear them so much.

[TanithAeyrs]

dream_operator23 wrote...


By the end of the game how much had your Dalish changed? Did any of them feel like going back to their clan? Or did they feel like they had changed too much to really fit in anymore? (This is to everyone by the way...)

 

Aithne's clan was very isolationist and probably wouldn't have even let her leave with Duncan if she hadn't been tainted.  She herself was conflicted, she was terrified of going out into the world of shem but she  didn't want to spread the taint to her clan.  She also had always had a desire to learn more, do more (although she had always thought more along the line of joining another clan).  Early in the game she was suspicious and aloof around shemlen and even city elves.  After Ostagar she understood how important the Grey Wardens were but she still didn't really trust her companions.  It wasn't really until Redcliff, when her companions supported her and aided her against overwhelming odds that she really began to see them as people, not just shem.  At that point my poor, naive Dalish was susceptable to Alistair's bumbling charms and she gradually fell for him with no consideration of the politics of her involvement with a king's bastard son.   By the time they get to the Landsmeet she has learned enough of shem and their politics to not trust Anora and to put unhardened Alistair on the throne.  When Alistair then tells her that their relationship is impossible she feels bound by duty and honor to step aside. 

Thus my fic starts with AIthne, years after the blight, stuck in a shem city as chancellor of a realm ruled by her former lover.  After the blight she never felt like she would fit in with her clan again and she felt duty bound to help the rebuild the realm she had saved (Alistair wasn't up to the job by himself).  Of course, life in a city, working with the man she loves after giving him up to another woman is not bringing her happiness..., a point that her friend Zevran confronts her on.   Although Aithne is devoted to Andruil, it seem that Fen'Harel takes more of an interest in her life....

[Addai]

dream_operator23 wrote...

I'm definitely going to read those stories!

By the end of the game how much had your Dalish changed? Did any of them feel like going back to their clan? Or did they feel like they had changed too much to really fit in anymore? (This is to everyone by the way...)

I don't picture any of my Dalish Wardens going back to Dalish life.  It's a "you can't go home again" story as far as I'm concerned.  My rogue rebuilt the Grey Wardens and stayed King Alistair's mistress.  My Dalish mage will probably leave Ferelden and possibly leave the Wardens, a GW Alistair with her.  I had her spending some time in Rivain with the more settled Dalish there, so it's possible they would live in Rivain (away from Chantry influence and hence no apostate problem).  Probably among humans.

I'm actually working on a story based on Nathaniel + Orlesian Dalish Warden where she tries to go back to a clan.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 septembre 2010 - 07:39 .

[TanithAeyrs]

Addai67 wrote...


I'm actually working on a story based on Nathaniel + Orlesian Dalish Warden where she tries to go back to a clan.

I would be interested to see how her clan reacts.    I'm in agreement with you, I think a Dalish Warden would find it as hard to go back to his/her clan as it would be for her clan to accept the Warden back. 

[Sarah1281]

I could never bring any of my human characters to romance a Dalish elf. I just don't really get the whole being drawn to them because of their wonderful culture...only to rip them away from that and have them live in your world as there's no way you'd be accepted in theirs even if they won't find much acceptance among humans (although who even knows how things stand in Kirkwall). And if you're going to be with them long-term and have children with them...it strikes me as a little tragic whenever a Dalish elf has a human baby.

*usual disclaimer about not trying to offend anyone or tell people how to play their games as this is just my opinion and preference*

Modifié par Sarah1281, 05 septembre 2010 - 03:54 .

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

*usual disclaimer about not trying to offend anyone or tell people how to play their games as this is just my opinion and preference*

I didn't think you were really going to make this a semi-sig!

Personally I view a Dalish-Human romance as any other romance. If you're in love you're willing to sacrifice certain things, possibly even your previous lifestyle.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 05 septembre 2010 - 03:59 .