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[Addai]

Yeah, I'm reminded of cross-cultural pairings in our own world. The hard makes it sweeter in its own way, though bound to be difficult.

[Merilsell]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 And if you're going to be with them long-term and have children with them...it strikes me as a little tragic whenever a Dalish elf has a human baby.

Heh then I guess the Dalish Warden is the little exception here, since she is infertile anyway. So chances she is popping a human baby out after having some good time with Alistair is not more than nill, actually. Especially with Alistair, since he is a Warden too.

Others than that, I don't see Dalish elves venturing much into the shems world so it's most unlikely that they come across many humans or even fall in love with one. I guess also here is the Dalish Warden an exception, who can fall for Alistair/Morrigan/Leliana. There is no other case like that in the game or books. Human/elves relationships are a rare thing since it's regarded with such disdain by others, and also due to their not so happy history.

[Corker]

PicSpam!  Vashti Mahariel, new playthrough

https://docs.google....kZjRkZDVk&hl=en
Her Facebook pic

https://docs.google....3YTQxN2Vh&hl=en
Finding every skeleton in the ruins but Tamlen's

https://docs.google....zNzI4ODNj&hl=en
Fascinated by history, Vashti re-enacts the Battle of Hastings.

Screenshots are so much better now that I've learned what V does.  derp derp...

[eucatastrophe]

The Dalish Elf Origin was god-awful. The City Elf Origin was very nice OTOH and played a key role in introducing the wonderful track, "Elves at the Mercy of Men".



having said that i really like the DA take on Elves. It's interesting - especially the beliefs of the Dalish contrasted with those from the city.

[Addai]

Corker wrote...

PicSpam!  Vashti Mahariel, new playthrough

Nice!  You share a vallaslin with Tecla, my Orlesian Dalish.

Fascinated by history, Vashti re-enacts the Battle of Hastings.

Ouch!

Screenshots are so much better now that I've learned what V does.  derp derp...

Heh, yes.  You can also get rid of the circles with the Circles Be Gone mod.

[Raonar]

Corker wrote...

PicSpam!  Vashti Mahariel, new playthrough

https://docs.google....kZjRkZDVk&hl=en
Her Facebook pic

https://docs.google....3YTQxN2Vh&hl=en
Finding every skeleton in the ruins but Tamlen's

https://docs.google....zNzI4ODNj&hl=en
Fascinated by history, Vashti re-enacts the Battle of Hastings.

Screenshots are so much better now that I've learned what V does.  derp derp...

Nice. And if you really want them perfect, may I suggest the Circles be Gone mod? It removes or de-intensifies the selection circles, obviously.

[commence shameless self-absorption]

Anyway, I like elves too so I'll be shameless and put in the Surana and Mahariel from my fanfic.



[/end shameless self-ansorption]

You know, even if Velanna's gruffy attitude irkes me, I can understand why she's so pissed about having lost their culture.

Modifié par Raonar, 05 septembre 2010 - 03:45 .

[spottyblanket]

The dalish actullay get RIGHT ON MY WICK. I think they are a bit up themselves. Velenna didn't help matters. x.x But the city elves are rocking awesome:



THERE ONCE WAS A WOMAN WHO LIVED IN THE SEA!!!

[Aeowyn]

Yes I would have to agree with that. When my elven mage arrived at the Dalish camp and got called a flat ear... grr I wasn't happy. Not like it was my mage's fault for having been forced to live in a bloody Tower for most of her life

[Merilsell]

Heh, I have the same feeling BUT about the city elves. I can't wrap my mind around the fact how they can willingly live like that and submit to the humans like they do in the cities. I prefer Morrigan's way of thinking who remarked regarding the Dalish elves quite fittingly:

"At least they have chosen freedom over subjugation. Better hardship and danger than slavery."

Nevertheless is the origin fun to play with slaughtering Vaughan and all that.

[Wulfram]

To become one of the Dalish means giving up your faith and your culture. It only represents freedom if the Dalish lifestyle is one you would choose

[Sarah1281]

Wulfram wrote...

To become one of the Dalish means giving up your faith and your culture. It only represents freedom if the Dalish lifestyle is one you would choose

That depends if the elf in question even believed in the Maker in the first place although no one that was really happy with their alienage culture (or, I guess, hadn't pissed people off and had to leave for their own safety) would choose to go after the Dalish. That doesn't make it any less free, just different. There aren't any rules imposed upon them by anyone but themselves. It might be a harder way of life than the city elves have (although, honestly, I'm not sure that it is) but freedom has its price.

[Sarah1281]

I'm not sure that the CE would have definitely been sold into slavery. It depends whether they listened to Shianni or their father and decided to go into 'hospice' or not.

[Merilsell]

Though it's also true that all the other origin's you have NOT chosen in a playthrough dies...or similar gruesome stuff.

Surana/Amell is landing in Aornar (sp?) the Mage prison for helping a blood mage.
Cousland is killed by Howe (recently heard the rumor with my Dalish in a tavern)
Tabris is most likely sold to slavery or killed in Arl's prison later on
Aeducan dies in the deep roads (there is a letter of Endrin)
Brosca is to find dead in his cell during the Carta quest.
Mahariel becomes a shriek and attacks you after the sacred urn quest or dies of the taint beforehand.

How cheery.

Modifié par Merilsell, 05 septembre 2010 - 06:16 .

[Sarah1281]

Cousland is killed by Howe (recently heard the rumor with my Dalish in a tavern)

Rumor or not, it's possible that they managed to get out of the servants entry even without Duncan and, in fact, I tend to think that that's exactly what happened and that they died in the Korcari Wilds. After all, that's what happened to Dog's master in non-HN playthroughs and he's probably the same character in all origins.

Tabris most likely sold to slavery or killed in Arl's prison later on

If Soris was caught and is in the Arl's prison then chances are that you were caught as well but either died trying to kill Vaughan or have been executed since then.

Dwarf noble dies in the deep roads (there are letters of Endrin)

Well, he just wants to see if the DN is alive and we don't know that they found anything so it's possible that they joined the Legion or made it to the Surface.

[Aeowyn]

Merilsell wrote...

Heh, I have the same feeling BUT about the city elves. I can't wrap my mind around the fact how they can willingly live like that and submit to the humans like they do in the cities. I prefer Morrigan's way of thinking who remarked regarding the Dalish elves quite fittingly:
"At least they have chosen freedom over subjugation. Better hardship and danger than slavery."
Nevertheless is the origin fun to play with slaughtering Vaughan and all that.

This has always made me curious as well. But in another way. If you speak to Soris about running off to the Dalish he says something about "living with savages." I wonder if these stories about how the Dalish are savages who sacrifice babies to the Gods and what-not is human propaganda to keep the City elves where they are (because who would be their servants otherwise?).
For most city elves I don't think they feel that they have much choice. And for elven mages in the Circle, well, the lack of choice is obvious there.

[Addai]

@Raonar: I like your elven guys! Of course, I am biased towards dark haired hotties!



I agree about CE origin being a bit too dark for my taste. It's a great story, but I felt like my CEF was a pretty messed-up individual. Of course, elf mage is not far behind with her hard beginning in the alienage and spending most of her life in a genteel concentration camp.

[Addai]

Aeowyn wrote...

This has always made me curious as well. But in another way. If you speak to Soris about running off to the Dalish he says something about "living with savages." I wonder if these stories about how the Dalish are savages who sacrifice babies to the Gods and what-not is human propaganda to keep the City elves where they are (because who would be their servants otherwise?).
For most city elves I don't think they feel that they have much choice. And for elven mages in the Circle, well, the lack of choice is obvious there.

That could well be.  When you talk to Pol in the Dalish camp, he sounds afraid for his life if he isn't accepted by the Dalish.  Then again the alienage elves are so sheltered that a trip to Highever is a big deal.  Trying to find a Dalish clan in the wilderness is pretty much suicide.

[Merilsell]

Aeowyn wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Heh, I have the same feeling BUT about the city elves. I can't wrap my mind around the fact how they can willingly live like that and submit to the humans like they do in the cities. I prefer Morrigan's way of thinking who remarked regarding the Dalish elves quite fittingly:
"At least they have chosen freedom over subjugation. Better hardship and danger than slavery."
Nevertheless is the origin fun to play with slaughtering Vaughan and all that.

This has always made me curious as well. But in another way. If you speak to Soris about running off to the Dalish he says something about "living with savages." I wonder if these stories about how the Dalish are savages who sacrifice babies to the Gods and what-not is human propaganda to keep the City elves where they are (because who would be their servants otherwise?).
For most city elves I don't think they feel that they have much choice. And for elven mages in the Circle, well, the lack of choice is obvious there.

It's also the case that because the Dalish lives so secluded lives from the rest of Ferelden, only a few have really seen a Dalish elf in person. There are myth and stories ranking around them because of that and some even don't believe they are excisting. I always imagine when my Dalish is entering the Alienage that they would stare at her as if she were a fairy, or something to that account. Must be quite the sight for them, though. Tattooed all over the face, armed to the teeth and unwilling to give in.

It is an interesting thought of Soris, however, and I don't think it's far away from the truth. Who else would do the humans dirty work when the city elves all would decide to walk away from the cities to live on their own? Anyway how I see that the Dalish elves are also kind of glad about the savages rumors because it keeps the humans away.

As for the elven mage, that's true of course...and also the reason why I never can stand the chantry, no matter what character I'm playing (Okay maybe a little if playing a HN but that doesn't happen much ). I can only agree to Morrigan's opinion to the circle. A whole live being caged? Such a life is horrid

Modifié par Merilsell, 05 septembre 2010 - 06:40 .

[Wulfram]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 That depends if the elf in question even believed in the Maker in the first place although no one that was really happy with their alienage culture (or, I guess, hadn't pissed people off and had to leave for their own safety) would choose to go after the Dalish. That doesn't make it any less free, just different. There aren't any rules imposed upon them by anyone but themselves. It might be a harder way of life than the city elves have (although, honestly, I'm not sure that it is) but freedom has its price.

I'd guess life expectancy - even excluding special elven anti-aging stuff - and nutrition would be better among the dalish.  Living in medieval cities isn't healthy at the best of times.

But my point is that becoming a dalish elf requires more than the willingness to leave the city and live a tough life in the wilderness.  They won't take you unless you buy into the obsession with a centuries dead culture, take up the worship of gods you've never heard of and get a rather ugly tattoo.  So for most it's probably not much of an option - the only way out seems to be killing archdemons.

[Sarah1281]

You feel that it's unreasonable to at least respect if not completely buy into (although telling them this might not be a good plan) their culture if they're going to let you join them? They don't seem any more 'obsessed with a centuries dead culture' than people IRL are and it's not really dead if the Dalish still practice it, now is it? And you don't HAVE to get a tattoo but if you don't then you will not be able to be identified as a Dalish (or will be seen as a child forever). It's not for everyone and clearly your elf Wardens aren't exactly Dalish material.

[Aeowyn]

Merilsell wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Heh, I have the same feeling BUT about the city elves. I can't wrap my mind around the fact how they can willingly live like that and submit to the humans like they do in the cities. I prefer Morrigan's way of thinking who remarked regarding the Dalish elves quite fittingly:
"At least they have chosen freedom over subjugation. Better hardship and danger than slavery."
Nevertheless is the origin fun to play with slaughtering Vaughan and all that.

This has always made me curious as well. But in another way. If you speak to Soris about running off to the Dalish he says something about "living with savages." I wonder if these stories about how the Dalish are savages who sacrifice babies to the Gods and what-not is human propaganda to keep the City elves where they are (because who would be their servants otherwise?).
For most city elves I don't think they feel that they have much choice. And for elven mages in the Circle, well, the lack of choice is obvious there.

It's also the case that because the Dalish lives so secluded lives from the rest of Ferelden, only a few have really seen a Dalish elf in person. There are myth and stories ranking around them because of that and some even don't believe they are excisting. I always imagine when my Dalish is entering the Alienage that they would stare at her as if she were a fairy, or something to that account. Must be quite the sight for them, though. Tattooed all over the face, armed to the teeth and unwilling to give in.

It is an interesting thought of Soris, however, and I don't think it's far away from the truth. Who else would do the humans dirty work when the city elves all would decide to walk away from the cities to live on their own? Anyway how I see that the Dalish elves are also kind of glad about the savages rumors because it keeps the humans away.

As for the elven mage, that's true of course...and also the reason why I never can stand the chantry, no matter what character I'm playing (Okay maybe a little if playing a HN but that doesn't happen much ). I can only agree to Morrigan's opinion to the circle. A whole live being caged? Such a life is horrid

Out of curiosity (because Ive never gotten a Dalish elf so far) how to the elves in the Alienage react when they meet you? Any special dialogue or is it just the usual "you must not be from around here"?

[Sarah1281]

I think you just get the standard 'hey, we don't hate you because you're elven' dialogue.

[Merilsell]

Wulfram wrote...
But my point is that becoming a dalish elf requires more than the willingness to leave the city and live a tough life in the wilderness.  They won't take you unless you buy into the obsession with a centuries dead culture, take up the worship of gods you've never heard of and get a rather ugly tattoo.  So for most it's probably not much of an option - the only way out seems to be killing archdemons.

To add to what Sarah already have said very well:

A culture that once has been one of all elves, no less. It is nearly dead because humans have almost succeed in destroying it. So who is to blame that some want to preserve what is left? Culture is identity and something one can orientate on and that's what the Dalish do because it's better than to submit to the humans in their eyes. As for a city elves living among them, they are willing to take you into the clan, but of course you have to learn the old ways for that. If that's not your thing...well can't be help.

And having tattoos in the face is badass aside from the identical purpose of course

It's a matter of what you prefer, really.

I can't really remember if there was something been said or if that was just me RP-ing it in that way, since it's been a while for me as well. My current playthrough with my F!Dalish is taken deliberatly slowly since it's my FF-playthrough  But as soon as I'm reaching with my other Dalish (avatar) this particular part I'll check it, okay? If only the Deep roads were already done, i could move on to it.