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[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Yeah. I understood there still is a chance a somewhat small one like you said, and I never took into account the fertility. Yeah elves seem to be either quite fertile or promiscuous maybe both. I wonder why the dwarves are less fertile though? Maybe because of the lyrium exposure?

[Merilsell]

Little (evil) wake up to the thread. Not made by me, still true:

[mousestalker]

Too true. Do most people complete the Cammen-Gheyna quest or do they just say 'no'?



I tend to play elves, so I let Cammen get his own pelt.

[Giggles_Manically]

It would have been funny if you convinced him to go out and find a pelt, and all you find in the forest his a bunch of werewolves standing over his corpse.



I do reload when doing it but its so funny to sleep with one of them and hear them freak out!

[Zjarcal]

mousestalker wrote...

Too true. Do most people complete the Cammen-Gheyna quest or do they just say 'no'?

I tend to play elves, so I let Cammen get his own pelt.

I just say no right from the start.

If there was an option for Cammen to ask to temporarily join the party to go search for his pelt, maybe I would've let him come along. As it is, I just leave him alone the minutes he asks to be left alone.

[Corker]

I know I got it on my first playthrough, and I know that I did not on my most recent two. Can't recall the two in the middle.

[Sandtigress]

Why Kara sets Cammen and Gheyna up is the next chapter in her story that I'm tackling, but it essentially comes down to - she thinks he needs to grow up and do things the right way, but she already knows that sometimes life doesn't wait for you. She sets them up because she missed out with Tamlen. My HNF set them up too, but she didn't know any better. Blood mage is sleeping with Gheyna for the lulz... >.> I hate that guy.

[Zjarcal]

Sandtigress wrote...
Blood mage is sleeping with Gheyna for the lulz... >.> I hate that guy.

Better him than Cammen. In my book he's doing Gheyna a favor.

[Merilsell]

Len actually has more a problem with Gheyna than Cammen (Although she is really annoyed of him) She really hates her 'oh I need a man to protect me, I'm just a weak weak woman- speech she is sporting, more than anything. It puzzles her as well, because she had learned to protect herself and to fight right after she has learned walking, like almost all women of her clan as well. So yeah, she is basically more pissed by Gheyna's attitude and thinks "well f*** you, if you are not able to even solve that yourself then what will you do when REAL problems happen?"

Not to mention that Len has her own personal problems at that time and rubbing a pair of lovesick teens in her face might not be the wisest idea then.

Modifié par Merilsell, 30 septembre 2010 - 07:25 .

[Addai]

DG posted a few comments on the elves in the DA2 forum.  Nothing earth-shattering, but nice to know he likes them.  Hopefully that will mean we get to play one again?  *crosses fingers*

David Gaider wrote...

Oddly enough, I posted about this in the elf thread just yesterday:

There's definitely a correlation between the Jewish faith and the elves-- the Dalish believing that one day they will regain a proper homeland for their people, and that then they can begin teaching their lost brethren all the lore they have been keeping for them. Many people (humans, primarily) would see that as a threat, probably, not to meniton the notion that any homeland for the elves would have to usurp land that the humans currently occupy and claim as their own (regardless of whom it belonged to originally).

But, then, there are parralels that can be drawn between the elves and just about any oppressed minority-- and that's what I like about them.

[Sarah1281]

Merilsell wrote...

Len actually has more a problem with Gheyna than Cammen (Although she is really annoyed of him) She really hates her 'oh I need a man to protect me, I'm just a weak weak woman- speech she is sporting, more than anything. It puzzles her as well, because she had learned to protect herself and to fight right after she has learned walking, like almost all women of her clan as well. So yeah, she is basically more pissed by Gheyna's attitude and thinks "well f*** you, if you are not able to even solve that yourself then what will you do when REAL problems happen?"

Not to mention that Len has her own personal problems at that time and rubbing a pair of lovesick teens in her face might not be the wisest idea then.

And let's not forget that her biggest reason given for not bonding with Cammen is his lack of facial tattoos signifying adulthood given her own ink-free face. Pot, meet kettle.

[Remmirath]

I hope so. I also hope that even though you can't play an elf in DA2, we'll still learn something more about them (though hopefully not anything that would be much more interesting to discover with an elven character).

mousestalker wrote...
Too true. Do most people complete the Cammen-Gheyna quest or do they just say 'no'?

I did the first time, because Zemariel just tried to help everyone (particularly his fellow elves). Ever since then, however... no. I can't stand either of them (especially Gheyna - it's a combination of her attitude and her to me very annoying voice), and neither can most of my characters.
Narvinyel, my most recent character to come by there, thought they were both useless and couldn't be bothered to take any of her time by helping them.

[Sarah1281]

mousestalker wrote...
Too true. Do most people complete the Cammen-Gheyna quest or do they just say 'no'?

In my canon, Leliana helps them because she's a romantic while my Warden is off being asked to kill Flemeth.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 30 septembre 2010 - 10:45 .

[Saelihnne]

Cammen and his baby fat cheeks crack me up. He seems to me far too young and immature to even consider entering into a relationship where he would have to provide. Maybe after getting his blood writing he will toughen up a bit.
What a great find this thread is, and thanks to Merilsell for starting the Dalish community over at fanfiction. (and thanks for adding my story too.)



Sahira approves +100! <3

[Merilsell]

Saelihnne wrote...

Cammen and his baby fat cheeks crack me up. He seems to me far too young and immature to even consider entering into a relationship where he would have to provide. Maybe after getting his blood writing he will toughen up a bit.
What a great find this thread is, and thanks to Merilsell for starting the Dalish community over at fanfiction. (and thanks for adding my story too.)

Sahira approves +100! <3

You are welcome. Far too few Dalish love around (t)here, really. So yeah, that's why I made it.  Its nothing big just a collection of stories I found worth to read for Dalish friends. Your Sahira is beautiful, though, I'm looking forward to the PC version to pimp my console Lenya for it. <3

And yes, Cammen is far too immature, I think it cost Lenya quite a bit to punch him not out cold, lol. Yet, I do hate Gheyna a lot more, like explained above.

[Saelihnne]

Thanks! After eleven makeovers, the barefoot beauty is happy to keep her current face. Mods are far too addictive in this game.



I am not a fan of Gheyna either. Her legs are not broken, she can help provide too. My first play through I found myself wondering why exactly Cammen was so whiny over a girl with the personality of a shrew. Maybe I will find Cammen a nice girl, and a backbone within the playground of fan fiction.

[Sarah1281]

Maybe Gheyna's just making excuses because she doesn't want to bond with Cammen but everyone's pressuring her into it?

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maybe Gheyna's just making excuses because she doesn't want to bond with Cammen but everyone's pressuring her into it?

I would buy this theory if she wasn't so easily persuaded into going after him.

[Aeowyn]

I think the only one who is pressuring her is Cammen. If you do the quest and speak to Lanaya afterwards she'll tell you that they do not encourage their young to bond before they've proved that they can do things on their own (or something like that). Honestly though, how old can he be if he still has baby fat?

[Sarah1281]

Aeowyn wrote...

I think the only one who is pressuring her is Cammen. If you do the quest and speak to Lanaya afterwards she'll tell you that they do not encourage their young to bond before they've proved that they can do things on their own (or something like that). Honestly though, how old can he be if he still has baby fat?

I think it's true that he's the only one who wants it to happen immediately but the whole tribe seems to approve of the match which might make saying no difficult even if she had waited until Cammen actually did something competent instead of asking someone who can.

[Aeowyn]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I think the only one who is pressuring her is Cammen. If you do the quest and speak to Lanaya afterwards she'll tell you that they do not encourage their young to bond before they've proved that they can do things on their own (or something like that). Honestly though, how old can he be if he still has baby fat?

I think it's true that he's the only one who wants it to happen immediately but the whole tribe seems to approve of the match which might make saying no difficult even if she had waited until Cammen actually did something competent instead of asking someone who can.

I guess that's true. Although I don't think the tribe would even have gotten the idea of Cammen and Gheyna together if there hadn't been any feelings between them. From what I've seen I don't think the Dalish go for the whole arranged bonding business.

[Sarah1281]

You don't? Given how important preserving their Arlathan bloodlines seem to be and the fact that they need more and more Dalish, I think that they would be into that. Besides, the clans apparently had a problem with the DE's parents getting together and if the tribes weren't involved with selecting who they bonded with then why would they get pissy about DE's parents?

[Aeowyn]

Yeah I've always wondered about that. Considering the DE's father was the Keeper why wouldn't they approve of the bonding? However, I don't think that Dalish elves run off with a human partner that often. I would imagine that their Dalish pride and the preservation of elven blood has been rooted from birth but I still don't think arranged bonding occurs.

Perhaps they didn't approve of the DE's parents because they were from different clants? Just a guess.

[Sandtigress]

In my little fic world it's because another elder wanted to bond with the DE's mom and she chose otherwise. :-P



I agree that bonding by choice seems to be well accepted - no one really objects to Cammen and Gheyna per say, just that it happened so soon, before Cammen had proved himself. I also don't see a reason why inter-clan bonding would be discouraged - one would imagine they face the same inbreeding problems as the city elves and that interclan relationships would thus be encouraged.

[Saelihnne]

I look at this as a bit of both. I do not think if two Dalish wish to bond that it is frowned upon, but I think the Keeper would have a final say so. As for inter clan bonding, it makes a lot of sense. I see it encouraged at Gatherings for those come of age to meet and mingle, although this is not written in stone anywhere, just in my perception. Inter clan bonding could strengthen the Dalish as a whole.