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[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

To true Z.

What would have been powerful though is if Iona survived the Origin you meet her later in the Alienage, and she is going to have your child, or has already had it. Like the DN and the Noble Hunter.

That would have been a interesting moment to add.

If that had been the case, I'd never have a HNM sleep with her ever. With the NH, she wants to have a son. You might be doing it mostly for fun (or maybe you just really want a son now) but her whole point is to have a child. Iona already has one child to support, she might lose her position over it, it would have been a huge scandal had Howe not given you bigger problems, and bringing a child into the wolrd when it's just going to face all sorts of **** from both the elves and the humans when you don't even have a real relationship with the mother...It wouldn't surprise me if Iona used some sort of protection to prevent this.

It could have served to make you feel really bad.
The writers talk about dark and powerful choices.

Running into the woman you had sex with one night who has your kid, and is now living in poverty would really serve as a kick to the gut to many players.

I know and I would feel so bad that I would meta-game and my HNM would either go after Dairren or keep it in his pants.

I feel left out when people don't acknowledge that a female can also approach her! Would you also consider it an equally unbalance situation by the way?

Since I usually play female characters, it's often my HNF that does this and I feel just as off-put by it if not more. At least in the HNM origin, it's made painfully clear that she has a crush on you (although you could argue that you're exploiting her feelings, I guess, as an added problem the HNF doesn't have) while for the HNF there is no indication that she might be interested in you or even women until you start hitting on her. Similarly, a HNF can easily tell that Dairren is interested but a HNM has to start flirting with him before you can tell (although since you presumably know him better you may have heard rumors that he was bi).

And just to make it clear because I don't think I've said it yet, I'm fully aware that that's just my own issues with the Iona hookup and other people can and do see it differently.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Similarly, a HNF can easily tell that Dairren is interested but a HNM has to start flirting with him before you can tell (although since you presumably know him better you may have heard rumors that he was bi). 

When does this happen? When he sort of defends you for not finding a match? Can't say I felt that was an interest. Well, that maybe due to me being me (I was much more charmed by Iona's compliment).

Modifié par Zjarcal, 03 novembre 2010 - 08:57 .

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
Similarly, a HNF can easily tell that Dairren is interested but a HNM has to start flirting with him before you can tell (although since you presumably know him better you may have heard rumors that he was bi). 

When does this happen? When he sort of defends you for not finding a match? Can't say I felt that was an interest. Well, that maybe due to me being me.

It might be partially due to metagaming given how he responds in that situation with a male but though the toolset notes don't really indicate anything, for a HNF he says "Your daughter's prowess with the blade is most impressive" after Eleanor complains that you're all sweaty from practicing fighting and if you're a rogue he says "Perhaps your daughter simply has a mind of her own, your Ladyship. You should be proud" after Eleanor complains that she's having trouble get a match for you. If you're a male, he doesn't say anything if Eleanor brings up not being able to handle your own affairs.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And just to make it clear because I don't think I've said it yet, I'm fully aware that that's just my own issues with the Iona hookup and other people can and do see it differently.

There's no need to clarify this. I think I also said in an earlier post, "to each their own".

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
Similarly, a HNF can easily tell that Dairren is interested but a HNM has to start flirting with him before you can tell (although since you presumably know him better you may have heard rumors that he was bi). 

When does this happen? When he sort of defends you for not finding a match? Can't say I felt that was an interest. Well, that maybe due to me being me.

It might be partially due to metagaming given how he responds in that situation with a male but though the toolset notes don't really indicate anything, for a HNF he says "Your daughter's prowess with the blade is most impressive" after Eleanor complains that you're all sweaty from practicing fighting and if you're a rogue he says "Perhaps your daughter simply has a mind of her own, your Ladyship. You should be proud" after Eleanor complains that she's having trouble get a match for you. If you're a male, he doesn't say anything if Eleanor brings up not being able to handle your own affairs.

Oh, I get it! Eh, I guess it's because I just didn't care for Dairren that I didn't really took it as a sign of interest. 

EDIT: Ok, going through the toolset it's clear indeed that the they try to express an interest from Dairren to the female and from Iona towards the male.

I still find Iona's compliment towards the female the nicest one (but I may be biased...).

Modifié par Zjarcal, 03 novembre 2010 - 09:05 .

[Sarah1281]

I was actually more interested in Iona as a HNF than a HNM because that whle aside where Lady Landra teases her about liking you and she gets all flustered made her face and voice do this weird flustered thing that really put me off of her.

[Addai]

For the record, I'm not very proud of my HNF when she shtupps Dairren, either. LOL He's sort of a dufus. But it's a different sort of feeling than with HNM-Iona, where I thought "aw man, he's just like every other sleazy noble in Thedas running after the elven servants".

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And just to make it clear because I don't think I've said it yet, I'm fully aware that that's just my own issues with the Iona hookup and other people can and do see it differently.

There's no need to clarify this. I think I also said in an earlier post, "to each their own".

I've found that if you don't almost obsessively say 'BTW, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION' then you will probably, at some point, be accused of trying to pass your opinion of as fact even if I feel that it should be blatantly obvious that it's just an opinion (like if I said that had the Blight not occured, people like Howe and Vaughan wouldn't have been so brazen in their depravity). Miscommunication is far too common on the internet so even if you said 'to each their own' people could still think that I was trying to claim that my interpretation was the only one.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I was actually more interested in Iona as a HNF than a HNM because that whle aside where Lady Landra teases her about liking you and she gets all flustered made her face and voice do this weird flustered thing that really put me off of her.

Haven't actually seen that part (did read it in the toolset).

*sighs*

Poor Iona, she doesn't have a happy ending either way.

Quick question, as I was going through the City Elf origin yesterday, does that woman who scolds you for finding a "better" match (what was her name?) show up later? Why was there no option to slap her or something?

Modifié par Zjarcal, 03 novembre 2010 - 09:10 .

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...



For the record, I'm not very proud of my HNF when she shtupps Dairren, either. LOL He's sort of a dufus.

The only thing I remember about Dairren is that there was a dialogue option where you could say that your favorite pastime was sex. I can't remember what his reaction was like though.



@Sarah:



I know the feeling. You should make it part of your sig. You still have a tiny bit of space in the right corner...

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I was actually more interested in Iona as a HNF than a HNM because that whle aside where Lady Landra teases her about liking you and she gets all flustered made her face and voice do this weird flustered thing that really put me off of her.

Haven't actually seen that part (did read it in the toolset).

*sighs*

Poor Iona, she doesn't have a happy ending either way.

Quick question, as I was going through the City Elf origin yesterday, does that woman who scolds you for finding a "better" match (what was her name?) show up later? Why was there no option to slap her or something?

Oh, that is Elva. Elva is the woman who, if you've ever played as a CEM, insists that going after the kidnapped women would just make the situation worse (which she ends up being right about) and so advocates doing nothing. She's the woman who, if you don't own up to breaking into the Arl's estate, rats out you and Soris to try and avoid a purge on teh whole Alienage. If you and Soris take the bribe then she is the only one who will talk to Soris and his only source of information about anything. He tells you that she got the plague but didn't trust the quarentine so died in the streets. Since I don't see what talking to Soris and his status of alienation or the fate of the kidnapped woman has to do with her getting sick, I think we can safely assume she dies before you go to the Alienage in the game no matter what.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Oh, that is Elva. Elva is the woman who, if you've ever played as a CEM, insists that going after the kidnapped women would just make the situation worse (which she ends up being right about) and so advocates doing nothing. She's the woman who, if you don't own up to breaking into the Arl's estate, rats out you and Soris to try and avoid a purge on teh whole Alienage. If you and Soris take the bribe then she is the only one who will talk to Soris and his only source of information about anything. He tells you that she got the plague but didn't trust the quarentine so died in the streets. Since I don't see what talking to Soris and his status of alienation or the fate of the kidnapped woman has to do with her getting sick, I think we can safely assume she dies before you go to the Alienage in the game no matter what.

Right, Elva!

I'm not sure if I'm happy I won't have to see her again or not. I hate her guts, but it would've been nice to "rub it in" a bit more when you return. Yeah I know, how childish of me.

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
Oh, that is Elva. Elva is the woman who, if you've ever played as a CEM, insists that going after the kidnapped women would just make the situation worse (which she ends up being right about) and so advocates doing nothing. She's the woman who, if you don't own up to breaking into the Arl's estate, rats out you and Soris to try and avoid a purge on teh whole Alienage. If you and Soris take the bribe then she is the only one who will talk to Soris and his only source of information about anything. He tells you that she got the plague but didn't trust the quarentine so died in the streets. Since I don't see what talking to Soris and his status of alienation or the fate of the kidnapped woman has to do with her getting sick, I think we can safely assume she dies before you go to the Alienage in the game no matter what.

Right, Elva!

I'm not sure if I'm happy I won't have to see her again or not. I hate her guts, but it would've been nice to "rub it in" a bit more when you return. Yeah I know, how childish of me.

If it helps, I wrote her death.

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...
@Sarah:

I know the feeling. You should make it part of your sig. You still have a tiny bit of space in the right corner...

I will try it.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
@Sarah:

I know the feeling. You should make it part of your sig. You still have a tiny bit of space in the right corner...

I will try it.

ROFL!! 

And to be honest, your story about Elva actually made me feel a bit bad about her. That really seems a fitting way to describe how she was raised and what made her act the way she did.

She kind of reminds of Goldanna actually.

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
@Sarah:

I know the feeling. You should make it part of your sig. You still have a tiny bit of space in the right corner...

I will try it.

ROFL!! 

And to be honest, your story about Elva actually made me feel a bit bad about her. That really seems a fitting way to describe how she was raised and what made her act the way she did.

She kind of reminds of Goldanna actually.

I'm glad you liked it. I'm generally of the opinion that no one really feels that they're being unreasonable or the bad guy and so I was trying to find some sort of justification for Elva's persistent negativity.

[stormrain]

Here's an idea that just popped into my head: How do you all think a dual recruitment of both a CEF and HMN would fair? Would they hate each other? It probably wouldn't effect the overall plot very much, but what about companion interactions? Who would lead the group? Who do you think would be recruited first (as in, which origin would make more sense for happening first)?

All our Wardens have different personalities, so if you have a Tabris and Cousland (gender doesn't matter, actually), how do you think they would get along?

I have an idea for a fanfiction, so that's why I'm asking. Oh and I wouldn't forget aboutt you Dalish Wardens; feel free to chime in how you think your Dalish would get along with a Cousland.

Also, does anyone have a link to the Shianni fan group? I swear I used to be apart of it, but now I'm not and can't find it again.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:16 .

[Bruddajakka]

Well as far as we know the Couslands as a whole tended to treat their elven servants really well. And the Human noble male seemed to be well known enough for Iona to have a crush on him. So possibly the opposite reaction as they would have to Vaughn. Maybe some resentment just due to what happened to them at the wedding though.

[mousestalker]

When do they meet for the first time? If it's at Ostagar, then the CEF would have had time to process what happened in the Origin. If Denerim, then not so. If they meet at Highever then the HMN would be reeling from what just happened while the CEF would have had some time.

As for the Cousland's reputation, just how much does a City Elf know of Ferelden nobility? Cyrion had been a servant at some point, but does that translate into actual knowledge of another noble family's hiring and labour practices?

Likewise, would the HMN start off knowing the CEF's full story? Or does he just know that she massacred a palace of humans ending with killing Vaughan, a man he almost certainly knows?

You can get good dramatic and potentially romantic tension if the two misapprehend each other. If he thinks of her as the wild eyed elven terrorist and she sees him as the stereotypical human oppressor, then your story is well on its way (it worked for Jane Austen!). Let them discover that she is really the good elven girl whose wedding day went horribly wrong and that he had no knowledge of Vaughan's darker side.

After all, following the game plot, they will both hate Howe with passion.

Modifié par mousestalker, 08 novembre 2010 - 04:54 .

[mousestalker]

Shianni fan group

[Bruddajakka]

mousestalker wrote...
e.

As for the Cousland's reputation, just how much does a City Elf know of Ferelden nobility? Cyrion had been a servant at some point, but does that translate into actual knowledge of another noble family's hiring and labour practices?

Likewise, would the HMN start off knowing the CEF's full story? Or does he just know that she massacred a palace of humans ending with killing Vaughan, a man he almost certainly knows?
.

Well keep in mind that Elves from both Alienages would be moving to, and from Highever or Denerim, and since a fair number of Elves appear to be servents word would spread around. On top of it Dierren mentions that people talk about the Couslands all the time.

As for Vaughn. Got the impression he had a reputation as well among the nobility, and it wasn't a good one.

[Corker]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Here's an idea that just popped into my head: How do you all think a dual recruitment of both a CEF and HMN would fair? Would they hate each other? It probably wouldn't effect the overall plot very much, but what about companion interactions? Who would lead the group? Who do you think would be recruited first (as in, which origin would make more sense for happening first)?

Grey Warden HQ was in Denerim; Daveth was recruited from there, Jory from Highever.  I'd start Duncan out at home in Denerim, where he picks up Daveth and Tabris, then moves west along the North Road to Highever, recruits Jory and sends him ahead (possibly with Daveth and Tabris), then checks out Highever Castle.  Howe treachery, etc., and Cousland and Duncan leg it south along Lake Calenhad until they can pick up the Imperial Highway and get to Ostagar.

Unless the characters were quite atypical, I'd have a hard time imagining a Cousland just handing the reigns over to a Tabris.  I'd also expect Alistair to more or less instinctively assume the noble would know more about war and leadership than a servant out of the Alienage.

I don't think an f!Tabris would necessarily hate all human men on sight (although I suppose she might, particularly nobles).  If m!Cousland were the arrogant, pushy sort who thought elves ought to ask, 'How high?' when told to jump, I suspect she'd hate him.  She might even seriously dislike him if she 'read' his assumption of command as arrogance.  If he's an overall good fellow and perhaps even knows that Kendalls had it coming, he still might see her tendency to insubordination as childish and bloody risky, as there *happens to be a Blight happening.*  Which makes him bark orders more loudly, which gets all up her nose even more.  Et cetera.

(tl;dr - I'd make him lawful good and her chaotic good and run it from there.)

I see a Mahariel tossing his or her bedroll over by Morrigan (or in a third location).  Cousland wants to lead? Fine.  The human can talk to the other humans.  Saves her the trouble.  Call her when you need something shot through the eye.  Very much an elven version of Sten, who could similarly go from "I like swords and follow orders.  That's all you need to know about me" to "What is it, kadan?"... but not easily.

I think the more interesting cross-origin dynamic would be Mahariel/Tabris, though. 

[Addai]

Gotta rescue the thread from page 2, even if I have to resort to Tolkien elves to do it.  She looks like my canon Warden, so just pretend.


link

I'm gonna miss playing elves.  :crying:

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

I'm gonna miss playing elves.  :crying:

I'm not!  Who wants to be short and unable to grow facial hair?!  <_<

[Zjarcal]

Ewww, facial hair!!

Random DA elf question. Say the warden sides with the werewolves, would that annul the treaty with the Dalish?

I mean, word of the slaughter would eventually reach other clans and I doubt they would be willing to aid the wardens if they knew of this. You could say that's unlikely because the entire clan was slaughtered but you do meet other members of the clan who were still alive after the slaughter (Panowen and company in the Brecilian forest).

EDIT: Then again I just remembered that you can persuade Panowen that it was all Zathrian's fault so I suppose the same could be done with other clans.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 10 novembre 2010 - 05:27 .