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Zjarcal wrote...

Ewww, facial hair!!

I've been told it tickles.

Random DA elf question. Say the warden sides with the werewolves, would that annul the treaty with the Dalish?

I mean, word of the slaughter would eventually reach other clans and I doubt they would be willing to aid the wardens if they knew of this. You could say that's unlikely because the entire clan was slaughtered but you do meet other members of the clan who were still alive after the slaughter (Panowen and company in the Brecilian forest).

Probably, but really nobody upholds their end of that treaty anyway until you've done a million and one errands for them, so it's not like it was worth all that much to begin with.

Plus the Elves are 0-2 in war atm, no huge loss. :P

Modifié par Axekix, 10 novembre 2010 - 05:30 .


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That is true. The treaties really serve for nothing more than a good way to break the ice about asking for help. 
I'm sure that if you were to sign a treaty with the werewolves, they would refuse to help until you find them 100 nugs... <_<

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The treaties serve only to break the ice because all of the treaty groups just happen to have problems they need you to solve. Had you come at a better time, you probably wouldn't need to jump through hoops to prove yourself.

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Though had you come at a better time, you likely wouldn't have needed the treaties anyway. If they'll help, it'll be because they know the blight needs to be defeated not because of some ancient treaties.

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Had to dig the elf thread up from the depths of page 6 in order to post this absolutely luscious male Mahariel.

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So what exactly do the Dalish hunters hunt, anyway? Probably not halla, right?

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Deer, Rabbits, some birds more than likely.



THere is a lot of animal life in forests. Since they are camping they could set up fish traps to get those.

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I have no idea what they eat but in DA:O if any race were to be Vegan it would be the elves (imo). I chose Elf mostly because of the magic stats. In most RPGs that I've played Elves were always a lofty race so it came as some shock to be considered an outcast. It made for a radical shift in my role-playing of an Elf and I don't think I got it right first time. 34 pages is a bit much for me to take in right now so if someone knows of a link to better understand DA:O Elves I'm all senses.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

So what exactly do the Dalish hunters hunt, anyway? Probably not halla, right?


Deer, birds, wolves, passing humans. Y'know, the usual.

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Got a question!

I've never been too keen on helping Cammen cheat his way into marriage, so I haven't heard his dialogue about "wooing" in forever.  Is he abstinent because he's not bonded, or because he's still considered a kid?

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I can't remember for sure (I try to avoid Cammen like the plague), but I do recall that when the f!warden tries to proposition him, he says something like "Why would I be interested in that?". The way I interpreted it was that unless he was bonded, sex wasn't something that interested him.



At least that's what I recall. Cammen is just gross.

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All his answers refer back to the fact that he COULD NEVER [give her a present/ kiss/ knock boots] because they're not married.

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Glaucon, I really like the elves in DA. I like to play the underdog so it works out great for me! XD

As for the elven lore, the elves in DA were like other elves in fantasy (you know...immortal, well advanced in their culture, beautiful songs, magic and weapons, much better than the upstart race of humans), but then the elven homeland was conquered long ago by the powerful blood mages of the Tevinter Imperium (I believe they conquered most of above ground Thedas at the height of their power). The elves were then totally stripped of their culture and were forced to be slaves to the Imperium. After generations of slavery all of the wonderful things that the elves had and knew were forgotten. Then after Andraste defeated the Tevinters she freed all of the elven slaves and gave then a new homeland, but the humans couldn't stand the elves rising in power again so they conquered it before the elves really had a chance to recover anything of their past. So now they have no land of their own and either live as second-class citizens in human cities, or with no homes at all as the Dalish.

Corker, I got the impression that the Dalish were pretty uptight and strict about sexual relationships and so having sex outside of a bonded relationship would be frowned upon. Not that it doesn't happen of course (look at the Dalish Warden's parents for one), but it is not something that would be encouraged. Just my take anyway.

Modifié par dream_operator23, 04 décembre 2010 - 04:18 .


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Not that it doesn't happen of course (look at the Dalish Warden's parents for one), but it is not something that would be encouraged.

They weren't bonded? I thought that their match just wasn't approved of. I mean, your father was the Keeper, you'd think they'd bond once she got pregnant if nothing else...

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@dream_operator23 I've been learning more about them this run through, although I'm doing it with a Human Noble so again I don't think I've made the right choice there either. I suppose I should make a Dalish to get under their skin?

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Thanks all! That was my vague recollection but I wanted to check it against folks who were fresher.

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Sarah, I am not sure if the Dalish Warden's parents were married or not. I think that all you hear is that the match was not approved by your mother's clan. The fact that they had to meet in secret and couldn't even be in your father's clan where he was the Keeper seems like they were not seen to be bonded by any of the other Dalish even if they themselves felt like they were.

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@Glaucon, the wiki summarizes some of the information on elves, and you can get all the codex entries.



City elf and Dalish are two vastly different playthroughs, IMO - I enjoyed both immensely, but there really are two different elven cultures in Thedas. The city elf feels more like 'a part of Ferelden' - you come from Denerim, you follow the Chantry, Cailan was your king as well, etc. The Dalish, much less so - they happen to be on Ferelden soil, but they don't consider themselves a part of the human nation and there's no evidence that Ferelden considers them subjects of the Crown. (Indeed, a mayor in Awakening will send mercenaries out to clear off a Dalish clan, so - if they get in the way - they seem to be treated like bandits.)



If you would have liked to have tried the "Human Commoner" Origin that got cut, City Elf is probably the next best thing. Dalish is I think the ultimate outsider Origin, if that's more your RP preference.

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ohh Human Commoner Origin sounds entertaining- why was it cut? They couldn't expand on it? Poor Shems aren't as much fun as Rich shems?

I'm chiming in- one year late too :o
And yes, City Elf Origin is probably my second favourite- first is HNO but only because I can become Queen. Wouldn't it be brilliant for an Elf to become Royalty though? It would definitely raise protests from the squishy rich shems but imagine if it WERE possible. The Elves would prosper, maybe not live in filthy alienages eating rat soup.

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It would be nice, but it would never happen. (At least, not for may years yet.) Thedas racism is too great for that. The nobles would vote them out with a Landsmeet faster than you can say "knife ear."

Prejudice would have to die down and elves would have to be able to prosper in other areas of life long before royalty is even close to being an option. I mean, city elves can't even buy houses outside the alienage without triggering lynch mobs, or join the Chantry, Military or Nobility without triggering massive race riots. Royalty is out of the question for now.

EDIT: City Elf is my favourite Origin though. I don't care if I don't get to be queen, I have my family and community. Image IPB

Modifié par Faerunner, 10 juillet 2012 - 04:25 .


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@Joannayaya, probably because the City Elf and Dwarf Commoner already tackle the "rags to riches" arc: one coming from a poor and happy place, and one coming from a poor and miserable place. It might have been hard to make a Human Commoner that hit different thematic notes.

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@Faerunner, yeah sometimes I want to bonk the Nobles on the head for their stupid prejudices- or make the dead AD fall on some of them.

OHH I also love Mage Origin as an Elf! :D I cackle as I think of different ways to destroy those squishy shems who call me knife-ears. :bandit: 

@Corker, yer right- Human Commoner would be like an icky mix of DCO and CEO- and no cute ears or baby faces (because I do think Fem dwarves have baby faces) - you'd just be a poor shem, maybe live next door to Goldanna. Listening to her make babies- babies she can't afford. OH THE HORROR. :sick:

Modifié par Joannayaya, 11 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .


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The elven mage is tied with the dwarf commoner for my second favourite. I've got a few characters from that origin (instead of just one per origin like the others) already just because it's so fun to role-play in different ways. ^^

Actually, I think I read somewhere that the human commoner was going to be from Redcliffe, apparently indebted to Dwyn and having to put his or her sister through an arranged marriage to pay off the debts. From the sound of it (though someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the HC would have just been a weird hybrid between the dwarf commoner and the city elf with neither of their racial or cultural strengths. If any origin had to get cut, I'm glad it was that one and not the others.

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Faerunner wrote...

The elven mage is tied with the dwarf commoner for my second favourite. I've got a few characters from that origin (instead of just one per origin like the others) already just because it's so fun to role-play in different ways. ^^

Actually, I think I read somewhere that the human commoner was going to be from Redcliffe, apparently indebted to Dwyn and having to put his or her sister through an arranged marriage to pay off the debts. From the sound of it (though someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the HC would have just been a weird hybrid between the dwarf commoner and the city elf with neither of their racial or cultural strengths. If any origin had to get cut, I'm glad it was that one and not the others.


Personally, the HC would have been my favorite, hands down. I still wish it was included. Personally I always preferred to play as humans in fantasy/sci-fi games. A HC origin would combine the rogue-ish rags to riches feel of what I wanted from the CE and DC, without the racial tensions or dwarven character models. I always wanted to play a human rogue, but I can't think up a good reason to have a Rogue Noble, especially one who is identified as a soldier or warrior by NPCs based on look alone, and was said to be trained in combat by his/her father from the beginning.

Of course I'm about to be set upon by Faerunner everyone in the thread for not acknowledging the awesomeness of elves, but, nothing is without risk I guess. :devil:

Modifié par Confederate Republic, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .


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Ain't double posts grand? :pinched:

Modifié par Confederate Republic, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:37 .